The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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If you won't even tell us about its historical significance, how revisionists treat it, how exterminationists treat it but instead want to simply foist it on us I don't even see why it should be addressed do you?

It looks like again you just want to mess around with us. You didn't even bring it to codoh did you?
I have explained the significance of it - many of the Bialystok Jews were transported to Treblinka, and the document I posted lists these Jews as having been "executed." Why (if Treblinka was a "transit camp") would Himmler assume they have been executed simply because they were transported to Treblinka?
 
mrolonzo,

You aren’t understanding our point. Your articles say that the number of Jews who were in nazi control were lower, but that doesn’t change our question :

Where are the witness testimonies, among other documentation, of these Jews (and other groups) who were transported around, whether east or west?

Let’s assume you are right on the koeherr report. He overestimated the numbers, and it’s actually about 1.5 million, or let’s say 1 million Jews. Why does there exist no witness testimony of these 1 million Jews? If I wanted to push my narrative, I could easily find a bunch of Jews talking about the nazis killing their families. Can you do the same for Jews? There exist many polish witnesses taking about this. One girl just talked about how she hid a Jew away and saw Gestapo members take Jews off to camps. She herself wasn’t deported or forced anywhere, yet she still was interviewed.

Another polish girl was deported and forced into labor, and she also had a story to tell. Why not the same for Jews?

Well exactly, if you want to push a narrative with the full support of the Soviets there's plenty you can do, plenty of lurid stories you can make up.

But if if nothing much happened where is the drive to tell that story?

For example, today we see millions of Mexicans crossing the borders all claiming they are persecuted, and many have exciting stories to tell. But logically given that most are simply economic migrants, most have no story to tell and therefore don't want to talk much, they just want to work, so where are the stories about nothing much happening? Where are the dramatic tales of boredom and normal family life?
 
I have explained the significance of it - many of the Bialystok Jews were transported to Treblinka, and the document I posted lists these Jews as having been "executed." Why (if Treblinka was a "transit camp") would Himmler assume they have been executed simply because they were transported to Treblinka?

No the document itself. Tell us about the document itself. Tell us about how revisionists treat it.
 
I have no idea how revisionists treat it. Why don't you share some information about this?

Absolutely not. You went to your blog found this copied it and pasted it here and demand we explain it for you. What is its code number? Why didn't you bring it to codoh?
 
Well exactly, if you want to push a narrative with the full support of the Soviets there's plenty you can do, plenty of lurid stories you can make up.

But if if nothing much happened where is the drive to tell that story?

For example, today we see millions of Mexicans crossing the borders all claiming they are persecuted, and many have exciting stories to tell. But logically given that most are simply economic migrants, most have no story to tell and therefore don't want to talk much, they just want to work, so where are the stories about nothing much happening? Where are the dramatic tales of boredom and normal family life?
Here.

In - I mean this very literally - 10 seconds I found some migrants on the US border talking of their sad story on how they were kicked out and treated terribly by ICE or other officials.

Your analogy makes no sense. Jews were forcibly deported, that isn’t normal family life. I can find poor migrants talking about their sad stories, and they weren’t even forced to move to the US. Why not Jews, who you agree were deported around to camps?
 
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@mrolonzo: "HS and Chugger generally wish to engage us as long as they think they can get a point or get one over on us rhetorically."

What's the biggest issue or question we have avoided?

You didn't answer my question about the witnesses to the millions of Jews Mattogno et al believe were resettled by the Germans--the Jews themselves, Soviet witnesses, Axis aligned witnesses (~15 million military and civilian were stationed in Russia)

by what power or method were they silenced?

1. The physics of the gas chambers. The documents about the camp gas chambers.

2. Who was silenced?

This thread is instructive;

 
Here.

In - I mean this very literally - 10 seconds I found some migrants on the US border talking of their sad story on how they were kicked out and treated terribly by ICE or other officials.

Your analogy makes no sense. Jews were forcibly deported, that isn’t normal family life. I can find poor migrants talking about their sad stories, and they weren’t even forced to move to the US. Why not Jews, who you agree were deported around to camps?

No. We can assume logically that most latinos were not actually persecuted and have no true story to tell, they are simply economic migrants who will at times, claim persecution as it may suit their needs. So therefore, given that south America is in fact not a war zone, we would expect many many boring tales about nothing much happening.... but where are they? Where are the lurid tales by witnesses of endless boredom? Of awful repeats on the television?
 
The physics of the gas chambers.
what do you mean? people confined in an enclosed space won't die if you dump poison in there?

The documents about the camp gas chambers.
I believe we went over this. The documents at Auschwitz mention gas chambers and that the "corpse cellar" in one of the Cremas was used as a gas chamber.

2. Who was silenced?
apparently the millions of witnesses to resettlement--the Jews themselves, Soviet witnesses, Axis aligned witnesses (~15 million military and civilian were stationed in Russia)


What happened to the people who were sent to the camps? / 'Where did they go?'


in that thread do they describe what happened to the Jews after they exited the Reinhard transit camps? That's the question we're asking
 
No. We can assume logically that most latinos were not actually persecuted and have no true story to tell, they are simply economic migrants who will at times, claim persecution as it may suit their needs. So therefore, given that south America is in fact not a war zone, we would expect many many boring tales about nothing much happening.... but where are they? Where are the lurid tales by witnesses of endless boredom? Of awful repeats on the television?
What are you talking about?

You agree that the nazis did send Jews to camps and other places, do you not? You disagree with their fate afterwards, but there were still deportations, no?

Is that “normal life” to you?
 
Speaking of being silenced, the reason I am not able to respond to the CODOH people on the Sanning forum is because they basically disabled my account. (I can no longer post without administrator approval for each post, which takes forever and prevents me from participating in conversations.)

The pretext is that I had multiple accounts. But that is obviously a bogus pretext, since I never used the other account and it was in my name (mgcockerill - which makes it impossible to sock, as I am also self-doxed under History Speaks).
 
what do you mean? people confined in an enclosed space won't die if you dump poison in there?


I believe we went over this. The documents at Auschwitz mention gas chambers and that the "corpse cellar" in one of the Cremas was used as a gas chamber.


apparently the millions of witnesses to resettlement--the Jews themselves, Soviet witnesses, Axis aligned witnesses (~15 million military and civilian were stationed in Russia)



What happened to the people who were sent to the camps? / 'Where did they go?'


in that thread do they describe what happened to the Jews after they exited the Reinhard transit camps? That's the question we're asking

1. Oh right so you just dump "poison ". Everybody dies. The end. Is that it? This is why you got owned in the first place here.

2. Yeeeaahh we did. You switched topics on that too. Want to go back to it?

3. Who?

4. You've been on codoh yourself. In fact, if you're g10spana you pretended not to be an exterminationist. Is that true?
 
1. Oh right so you just dump "poison ". Everybody dies. The end. Is that it? This is why you got owned in the first place here.

2. Yeeeaahh we did. You switched topics on that too. Want to go back to it?

3. Who?

4. You've been on codoh yourself. In fact, if you're g10spana you pretended not to be an exterminationist. Is that true?
He is glospana, he admitted to it here a long time ago
 
2. Yeeeaahh we did. You switched topics on that too. Want to go back to it?
i don't think I switched topics, but yeah, we can go back to it after you answer the question of how the USSR ensured millions of people* would stay quiet about the truth of resettlement

*the Jews themselves, Soviet witnesses, Axis aligned witnesses (~15 million military and civilian were stationed in Russia)

If so, why does Chugger not have the right to change his mind?
i was never a revisionist. i was just trolling them, but then looking deeper into the history I got interested in it enough to want to have a more serious debate
 
What are you talking about?

You agree that the nazis did send Jews to camps and other places, do you not? You disagree with their fate afterwards, but there were still deportations, no?

Is that “normal life” to you?

Define your terms. What's normal in world war two?

Speaking of being silenced, the reason I am not able to respond to the CODOH people on the Sanning forum is because they basically disabled my account. (I can no longer post without administrator approval for each post, which takes forever and prevents me from participating in conversations.)

The pretext is that I had multiple accounts. But that is obviously a bogus pretext, since I never used the other account and it was in my name (mgcockerill - which makes it impossible to sock, as I am also self-doxed under History Speaks).

Usually it's common IP addresses that give it away. But you're probably refusing to be straight with them so that made them suspicious. You could go on rodoh but you like attention.

If so, why does Chugger not have the right to change his mind?

It looks like, from memory, that it was instead a ploy to get under people's skin. Why do you guys fuck with us?

i was never a revisionist. i was just trolling them, but then looking deeper into the history I got interested in it enough to want to have a more serious debate

Confirmed.
 
Sanning is completely wrong (he dismisses all contemporaneous Nazi data on Jewish populations, in favor of secondhand and speculative "data," which he often misquotes: and he also dismisses deportation data like the Höfle telegram and the largely intact Auschwitz deportation records).

But as Aves aptly notes, resettlement would still be absurd if Sanning is correct.

Suppose only 1,500,000 Jews disappeared in the Nazi camp system instead of the real figure of over 3,000,000. Of those suppose 250,000 died and 1,250,000 were resettled in Jewlantis. That is a population the size of the New Orleans metro area. So It is still completely absurd that there is not a single witness to resettlement, or residue of infrastructure, communications (letters to and from the resettlement), economic activity, etc.
 
i don't think I switched topics, but yeah, we can go back to it after you answer the question of how the USSR ensured millions of people* would stay quiet about the truth of resettlement

*the Jews themselves, Soviet witnesses, Axis aligned witnesses (~15 million military and civilian were stationed in Russia)


i was never a revisionist. i was just trolling them, but then looking deeper into the history I got interested in it enough to want to have a more serious debate

Im not going to answer on things I don't have much information on. We can certainly speculate though,

Possible reasons;

Lack of motivation to tell terrible stories about nothing much happening

Not existing as actual humans but as numbers on pages

Sanning is completely wrong (he dismisses all contemporaneous Nazi data on Jewish populations, in favor of secondhand and speculative "data," which he often misquotes: and he also dismisses deportation data like the Höfle telegram and the largely intact Auschwitz deportation records).

But as Aves aptly notes, resettlement would still be absurd if Sanning is correct.

Suppose only 1,500,000 Jews disappeared in the Nazi camp system instead of the real figure of over 3,000,000. Of those suppose 1,000,000 were resettled in Jewlantis. It is still completely absurd that there is not a single witness to resettlement, or residue of infrastructure, communications (letters to and from the resettlement), economic activity, etc.


Sanning is the superior study as detailed by Rudolf. You were challenged by codoh. You demurred. You also refused to write an essay they could respond to or go on rodoh with a response. You don't have an excuse. Therefore you were defeated.

well revisionists haven't defined what the policy was concerning the millions of resettled Jews, but I've offered Transnistria as a control sample



Why didn't you bring this to codoh?

Oh wait. Lol.


A bit OT but is rodoh still an active forum? iirc they were shut down.

I am busy the next month preparing a chapter of my PhD thesis, but a response to Faulk/Sanning is in the works, rest assured.

1. Yes they're still active. You know that.

2. LMAO fuck off faggot. You're posting here instead.


do you think they were better off than the average Russian or Ukrainian under occupation?


Mattogno et al disagree with you here, they think documents like the Korherr report are legit and represent reality more or less. So what are your references in substantiating this point?

1. Hmmm. Eastern Europeans in the east. In ww2. Too vague.

2. Given above.
 
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