The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[potato in mah painus]

Can I kvetsch a bit to the thread: what gives, deniers? If I give you a really long or considerable document it's too long, and I'm overgeneralizing, but if I give you something straight and to the point, you say it's too momentary and proves nothing?
Oy vey, I can never get it just right with you, can I?

Realize at this point the reasonable people have left the thread and only the hardliners and our two resident forum shills are at it still.

 

[mrolonzo]

You are obsessed with "releases," whose rate you radically overestimate. Release from the camp system was insanely uncommon (well below 0.1% of Jewish deportees after the Holocaust began) and occurred for compelling political reasons (e.g. to ransom Jews for foreign currency or munitions or vehicles, or because the Jews in question did not fall under the Nazi definition of a "racial Jew," or because Germany feared reprisals against Germans in a foreign country if release of that country's Jewish national did not occur).

E.G. I have attached a document from the foreign office which argued that Jews of Iranian descent in France were not racial Jews.

The Nazis did not want to massacre German-Jewish civilians (women, children, etc) in the open because that would demoralize the more humane German citizens and also serve the interests of allied propaganda against German barbarism.

I honestly have no idea what you think is inconsistent about 15 September 42. Again historians recognize that Jews were often deported to ghettos before being sent to death camps. This contradicts the mainstream story in no way. The death camps were technically limited in how many Jews they could "process" in a period of time.

You have not offered your interrpetation of the 14 March 1945 diary entry. Why did Goebbels say we have (i.e. he was not referring to something Germany should do, but something it has done) killed Jews like Rats? Was he lying to his diary?

Im not obsessed. It's only a few Jews. Which makes sense while also undermining exterminationists.

Anyway the jews as animals rather than criminals is thus refuted.

Yes, again, we see references to evacuation. By this time of course most the alleged holocaust was already done. Therefore it's not really occurring as its not even mentioned.

I already specifically referred to this entry. Moreover, he's probably referring specifically to powerful jews giving his people especial problems such as in this case agitation for harsh treatment of germans or as bolsheviks or partisans. So no, he's not lying in his diary.

To that end what do you make of the entry for 19, 20 and 24th April 1942?

 

[mrolonzo]

Realize at this point the reasonable people have left the thread and only the hardliners and our two resident forum shills are at it still.

This is will continue for a while. Interpretation of words is all they have to fight with so they'll push this as far as they can.

 

[mgc]

I already specifically referred to this entry. Moreover, he's probably referring specifically to powerful jews giving his people especial problems such as in this case agitation for harsh treatment of germans or as bolsheviks or partisans. So no, he's not lying in his diary.

hahaha okay.

On 19 April 1942, Goebbels is talking about the Mischling question, which is different from the Jewish question, because it concerns people whom the Nazis saw as partially German, partially Jewish.

In the other passages you reference Goebbels is talking about removing Jews from Germany and deporting Jews to the East. Since we both agree the Jews were deported East, this is irrelevant. It never says they are not going to be killed (nor that they will be killed) in these particular passages. Other passages have obviously homicidal meanings.

Can you clarify what you think Goebbels means when he says on 27 March 1942 that 60% of the Jews being deported from Lublin to the Reinhardt camps will have to be "liquidated." Does he mean that these Jews will be "made fluid," as Dalton suggests? Why does he also say that a "pretty barbaric procedure" is being employed, and that in the aftermath, "not much will remain of the Jews"?

Would you also be willing to provide me your interpretation of the 14 December, 1942 entry where (according to Dalton's own translation) Goebbels says that "Jewry must pay for its crime just as our Führer prophesied in his speech in the Reichstag; namely, by the wiping out (Auslöschung) of the Jewish race in Europe and possibly in the entire world."

You claim that the Nazi policy to the Jews was "benign" (that is your word). How does that accord with "the wiping out of the Jewish race in Europe and possibly in the entire world"?

 

[L50LasPak]

Is Mike Enoch's catamite still at this shit?

 

[mgc]

Interpretation of words

Yeah, "interpretation of words" like we 'killed Jews like rats' (Goebbels) "We swear we will not give up the struggle until last Jew in Europe is annihilated and dead" (Ley) and "we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die by hunger" (Frank), "We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill these people who wanted to kill us" (Himmler), and "if they [the Polish Jews] could not work they had to perish" (Hitler).

if you are not engaged in selective nihilism these are obvious references to extermination. Which is one of many reasons why deniers will never convince normal people.

 

[Terrorist]

I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the several thousand accidental tuberculosis casualties of 1940s Germany, on this special date, August 8th.

 

[Bonesjones]

Actually a note from the suspect threatening to kill the victim is hard evidence. And we do have bodies… and murder weapons… but you would like to pretend the whole thing is a false flag.

No a note saying they are going to kill you is circumstantial evidence. Good job being retarded yet again. No you can't point to the remains of even a fraction of the supposed dead jews. So yet again you lie.

OK now you sound like a Nazi. I’m sure you don’t get how ridiculous you look cause if you did you would have stopped by now.

No one cares how we sound nor your attempts at manipulation. You are literally retarded.

“Hitler’s decided to make a clean sweep of things with the Jews”

Yeah he brushed them aside. That's what sweep means right? Or do you want to argue about words and language people use because you have no bodies?

“nobody can know of our bravery here, just as nobody thanked you for your bravery purging corrupt men from our party.”

Hey look more ambiguity you say definitely means something when it could mean lots of things. He was talking to his SS so why didn't he just say "lol good job killing all the jews its awesome isn't it?"

Seems like I just did, but I actually don’t know who you’re addressing at this point and I’m too lazy to scroll up and check. You’re dumb bones

Now do all the other times you have no response to what I sat. I can wait the 2 or 3 weeks it will take you to compile your retarded answers. Maybe you can some magical surviving holocaust family members to help.

 

[Bonesjones]

Yeah, "interpretation of words" like we 'killed Jews like rats' (Goebbels) "We swear we will not give up the struggle until last Jew in Europe is annihilated and dead" (Ley) and "we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die by hunger" (Frank), "We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill these people who wanted to kill us" (Himmler), and "if they [the Polish Jews] could not work they had to perish" (Hitler).

if you are not engaged in selective nihilism these are obvious references to extermination. Which is one of many reasons why deniers will never convince normal people.

How dare we talk about killing people who are killing us in the middle of a war. That's barbaric!

"Hey we don't have the food to feed these people and they won't stop fighting us so I guess they will starve" is genocide like not giving homeless people money is genocide.

 

[Chugger]

Can I kvetsch a bit to the thread: what gives, deniers? If I give you a really long or considerable document it's too long, and I'm overgeneralizing, but if I give you something straight and to the point, you say it's too momentary and proves nothing?

unfortunately there's not much good convos to be had with deniers these days

codoh would be the best place if they weren't so censorial

rodoh (where mrolonzo comes from) is just insistence on points absent of argumentation. Thus a board regarded with contempt even by some posters on codoh

and the other deniers here like John Doe and bones know very little history, and unlike Rapechu, show no inclination to learn though it's easy enough and an interesting subject

How dare we talk about killing people who are killing us in the middle of a war. That's barbaric!

Yeah, in Goebbels diary he is talking about killing civilians

"Hey we don't have the food to feed these people and they won't stop fighting us so I guess they will starve" is genocide like not giving homeless people money is genocide.

eh no, see mrolonzo's leningrad saga where the Germans didn't accept the city's surrender because they didn't want to feed people

see also what happened to the surrendered POWs (2 million died of hunger in 6 months)

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

The Jews were generally considered to have come from the pale of settlement into western Europe of which Germany was a part.

This is actually incorrect. If you study population records, migration records, births/deaths and census records of number of Jewish people employed in various trades etc, it's actually very evident that they came straight from satan's anus in hell.

 

[Stan]

This is will continue for a while. Interpretation of words is all they have to fight with so they'll push this as far as they can.

We could go back to arguing about Topf and Sons crematorium designs or flyover photos of Auschwitz if you think that’s more productive.

Yeah, "interpretation of words" like we 'killed Jews like rats' (Goebbels) "We swear we will not give up the struggle until last Jew in Europe is annihilated and dead" (Ley) and "we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die by hunger" (Frank), "We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill these people who wanted to kill us" (Himmler), and "if they [the Polish Jews] could not work they had to perish" (Hitler).

if you are not engaged in selective nihilism these are obvious references to extermination. Which is one of many reasons why deniers will never convince normal people.

They want to pretend these remarks somehow have no relationship as to how these people would have behaved, and I’m not sure how to explain it to adult men who insist on acting as naive as toddlers in pull-ups.

No one cares how we sound nor your attempts at manipulation. You are literally retarded.

“No one cares how we sound”, haha wow, what about the people who you’d like to convince? Or the people like me, who find your lot totally risible when you talk like wannabe Nazis?

Yeah he brushed them aside. That's what sweep means right? Or do you want to argue about words and language people use because you have no bodies?

Next you’ll be saying “he means he brushed the Jews aside with his body, on the way to the grocery store”.

Hey look more ambiguity you say definitely means something when it could mean lots of things. He was talking to his SS so why didn't he just say "lol good job killing all the jews its awesome isn't it?

Does anybody in this period talk like that? Himmlers speech isn’t ambiguous at all if you’re willing to apply some brainpower to interpreting wtf he’s actually fucking saying. Did you pass 4th grade, are you able to do that?

Now do all the other times you have no response to what I sat. I can wait the 2 or 3 weeks it will take you to compile your retarded answers. Maybe you can some magical surviving holocaust family members to help.

Hang on lemme pour one out for you bro. This one’s for Bones, who just told me he thinks nobody notices how ridiculous he looks when he calls HS “subhuman”, as literal fucking Nazis did to the Jews, but also expects prompt and thoughtful replies to his bullshit.

 

[mrolonzo]

hahaha okay.

On 19 April 1942, Goebbels is talking about the Mischling question, which is different from the Jewish question, because it concerns people whom the Nazis saw as partially German, partially Jewish.

In the other passages you reference Goebbels is talking about removing Jews from Germany and deporting Jews to the East. Since we both agree the Jews were deported East, this is irrelevant. It never says they are not going to be killed (nor that they will be killed) in these particular passages. Other passages have obviously homicidal meanings.

Can you clarify what you think Goebbels means when he says on 27 March 1942 that 60% of the Jews being deported from Lublin to the Reinhardt camps will have to be "liquidated." Does he mean that these Jews will be "made fluid," as Dalton suggests? Why does he also say that a "pretty barbaric procedure" is being employed, and that in the aftermath, "not much will remain of the Jews"?

Would you also be willing to provide me your interpretation of the 14 December, 1942 entry where (according to Dalton's own translation) Goebbels says that "Jewry must pay for its crime just as our Führer prophesied in his speech in the Reichstag; namely, by the wiping out (Auslöschung) of the Jewish race in Europe and possibly in the entire world."

You claim that the Nazi policy to the Jews was "benign" (that is your word). How does that accord with "the wiping out of the Jewish race in Europe and possibly in the entire world"?

1. I accept your concession.

2. True.

3. Why is deporting Jews to the east irrelevant? This is his private diary. So therefore he is free to frequently reference their industrial murder and in some entries does indeed talk about violence against Jews. Showing that he is quite capable to of doing so here.

Yet at no point he does so even when the "holocaust " is in full swing or completed mention any "holocaust".

Plus of course, as for entries Dec 15, then 16 to 20th 1942 we see him actually happy to hand over Polish Jews to the swedes. So much for actually wiping them out .

Thus the hoax historiography is refuted.

4. Yes I can clarify, people will die in various ways as the ghetto is liquidated. Those who resist are shot, while others will perish by exposure and temporary lack of care as they are evacuated. Evacuation though not murder, is not a smooth process.

This is confirmed by the third paragraph of this entry;

"The ghettos that will be emptied in the cities of the General Government will now be refilled with Jews thrown out (ausgeschobenen) of the Reich. This process is to be repeated from time to time. There is nothing funny in it for the Jews, and the fact that Jewry’s representatives in England and America are today organizing and sponsoring the war against Germany must be paid for dearly by its representatives in Europe—and that’s only right\."

5. Although still vague its one of the few more violent statements he makes. Immediately followed in the next few days where again he is happy to hand off Polish Jews to the swedes and about Jewish propaganda discrediting the Reich, of course, he would not complain about such propaganda discrediting the Reich unless it was exactly that - another hole in your boat.

6. As for benign, it was the camps that were benign. Deportation of Jews back east was a direct attack on the Jewry that had moved into Europe. It wasn't a holocaust though. Much like if immigrants move into my house and I over power them, kick them in the teeth then throw them out they are injured and attacked, they are not murdered.

That is the essence of the hoax, turning a deportation into an allegation of mass murder then by using various excuses and lies just making everyone assume it to be true without ever having to produce a body, a plan, an order, a budget or technical theory.

Back to Goebbels though, his actual fundamental attitude was not determination to commit mass murder but to establish east, confirmed in the entries mentioned but also in the April 25th 1943 entry where he clearly prefers evacuated Jews to dead Jews.

Thus again, the hoax is refuted.

Yeah, "interpretation of words" like we 'killed Jews like rats' (Goebbels) "We swear we will not give up the struggle until last Jew in Europe is annihilated and dead" (Ley) and "we sentence 1.2 million Jews to die by hunger" (Frank), "We had the moral right, we had the duty to our own people, to kill these people who wanted to kill us" (Himmler), and "if they [the Polish Jews] could not work they had to perish" (Hitler).

if you are not engaged in selective nihilism these are obvious references to extermination. Which is one of many reasons why deniers will never convince normal people.

1. All heavily outweighed by numerous more benign statements such as;

It is high time that we remove (aus…entfernen) the Jews just as quickly as possible from the General Government\.

Jews must be defeated (zu Boden geworfen—lit. ‘thrown to the floor’).

The Jews must therefore be thrown out (aus…heraus) of Europe.

There is therefore no other recourse left for modern nations except to root out (auszurotten) the Jew.

This shows once again how dangerous the Jews are and how right we are in putting them behind bars (sie in sicheren Gewahrsam zu bringen—lit. ‘bringing into secure custody’)…

2. In fact, I am far more moral than you. I actually read what is offered. Revisionism will always convince normal people. Which is why it is suppressed.

I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the several thousand accidental tuberculosis casualties of 1940s Germany, on this special date, October 8th.

Lol. Why October 8th?

unfortunately there's not much good convos to be had with deniers these days

codoh would be the best place if they weren't so censorial

rodoh (where mrolonzo comes from) is just insistence on points absent of argumentation. Thus a board regarded with contempt even by some posters on codoh

and the other deniers here like John Doe and bones know very little history, and unlike Rapechu, show no inclination to learn though it's easy enough and an interesting subject


Yeah, in Goebbels diary he is talking about killing civilians

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eh no, see mrolonzo's leningrad saga where the Germans didn't accept the city's surrender because they didn't want to feed people

see also what happened to the surrendered POWs (2 million died of hunger in 6 months)

1. Codoh doesn't tolerate obfuscation and dishonesty. That's why you have a problem with it. If they ask you a question. You must answer to the best of your ability.

2. Rodoh does tolerate such rubbish. I have a free hand to compensate for your dishonesty by pinning you down like the slippery eels you are. Which is more fun. Sadly you dont want to play at codoh, because you don't like being held to account, while you have a completely free hand at rodoh you're not really interested in communicating or battling with us. You'd rather other people see you - because again for you this can't be defended it can only be propagated.

3. Your Goebbels quotes have been addressed already.

4. The leningrad issue was fascinating. You tried to claim anudda shoah on the basis of divisional tactics in a conventional war and were thus refuted.

We could go back to arguing about Topf and Sons crematorium designs or flyover photos of Auschwitz if you think that’s more productive.

“No one cares how we sound”, haha wow, what about the people who you’d like to convince? Or the people like me, who find your lot totally risible when you talk like wannabe Nazis?

Next you’ll be saying “he means he brushed the Jews aside with his body, on the way to the grocery store”.

Does anybody in this period talk like that? Himmlers speech isn’t ambiguous at all if you’re willing to apply some brainpower to interpreting wtf he’s actually fucking saying. Did you pass 4th grade, are you able to do that?

Hang on lemme pour one out for you bro. This one’s for Bones, who just told me he thinks nobody notices how ridiculous he looks when he calls HS “subhuman”, as literal fucking Nazis did to the Jews, but would like us to see him as not a diehard Nazi Stan.

1. Good idea. Fire away.

2. People prefer the meat and bones.

3. Yes, usually with a broom though.

4. You've applied very little brainpower to Himmler.

5. You appear to be asking us to denigrate Nazis or to avoid being modern day Nazis. Why would you do that? Nazis just want what's best for all people.

 

[Stan]

it's actually very evident that they came straight from satan's anus in hell.

Hey that’s where you’re headed, baby. What a coincidence.

 

[Bonesjones]

We could go back to arguing about Topf and Sons crematorium designs or flyover photos of Auschwitz if you think that’s more productive.

I'd prefer you post something of substance instead of bullshit I can immediately tear apart to reveal the nothing that it always is.

They want to pretend these remarks somehow have no relationship as to how these people would have behaved, and I’m not sure how to explain it to adult men who insist on acting as naive as toddlers in pull-ups.

You do remember a war was going on right? Literally millions of people dying, I'd expect bad language in people's private moments. I also expect what people write and say privately doesn't align 100% with what they do publicly. Not sure why you have a hard time with basic psychology. Must be those schizo jew genes.

“No one cares how we sound”, haha wow, what about the people who you’d like to convince? Or the people like me, who find your lot totally risible when you talk like wannabe Nazis?

Nigger, you are in a shitposting forum on a doxxing website, there is no decorum here. I only expect you to address my arguments instead of crying how mean we are.

Does anybody in this period talk like that? Himmlers speech isn’t ambiguous at all if you’re willing to apply some brainpower to interpreting wtf he’s actually fucking saying. Did you pass 4th grade, are you able to do that?

You can't even keep your lies straight, so maybe project less and think more. Take notes if you have to.

Hang on lemme pour one out for you bro. This one’s for Bones, who just told me he thinks nobody notices how ridiculous he looks when he calls HS “subhuman”, as literal fucking Nazis did to the Jews, but would like us to see him as not a diehard Nazi Stan.

I don't notice or care, I'm not trying to make friends or play nice. I am here to make fun of you because you have the cognitive ability of a child. You only try to language police because you can't refute me. So keep arguing over the meaning of letters and words to distract and cover up your inability to form an argument and support it with evidence that would hold up in something not miles past a kangaroo court.

Hey that’s where you’re headed, baby. What a coincidence.

You're Jewish, you don't even believe in hell you idiot.

 

[mrolonzo]

Hey that’s where you’re headed, baby. What a coincidence.

Oh look! Another made up middle eastern reference!!

The word ‘Hell’ is derived from an Anglo-Saxon word hellia (derived from the Old English, Old Norse, Old High German, hel, helle, circa. 725 AD) that is used in the King James version of the Bible to capture the Jewish concept of ‘Gehanna’ as the final destination of the wicked. The word occurs a number of times in different verses as the ‘Valley of Hinnom’, a garbage dump outside Jerusalem where children were sacrificed to the god Moloch1 and the bodies of those who died in sin were thrown on the garbage fires.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00131857.2019.1675470

I'd prefer you post something of substance instead of bullshit I can immediately tear apart to reveal the nothing that it always is.

You do remember a war was going on right? Literally millions of people dying, I'd expect bad language in people's private moments. I also expect what people write and say privately doesn't align 100% with what they do publicly. Not sure why you have a hard time with basic psychology. Must be those schizo jew genes.

Nigger, you are in a shitposting forum on a doxxing website, there is no decorum here. I only expect you to address my arguments instead of crying how mean we are.

You can't even keep your lies straight, so maybe project less and think more. Take notes if you have to.

I don't notice or care, I'm not trying to make friends or play nice. I am here to make fun of you because you have the cognitive ability of a child. You only try to language police because you can't refute me. So keep arguing over the meaning of letters and words to distract and cover up your inability to form an argument and support it with evidence that would hold up in something not miles past a kangaroo court.

You're Jewish, you don't even believe in hell you idiot.

Ah Language Policing!! That's the term for it!!

Thank you. Couldn't think of it there. He does alot of that.

Strangely as crazy as it sounds, I think he thinks he's either above or equal to us in moral terms.

 

[Bonesjones]

Strangely as crazy as it sounds, I think he thinks he's either above or equal to us in moral terms.

All jews think themselves above the rest of the human cattle, that's why they hate anyone who dares stand up to them. I do not use the word hate loosely here.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sorry if that post might not fit properly this thread but the Youtube clip from the Montel Williams Show aired around 1992 where a black man talked of Holocaust and slavery was removed from Youtube but however the whole show about the Holocaust is on Bitchute.

vasili

David Cole and Mark Weber on Montel Williams debate the Holohoax 1992

www.bitchute.com

And if you want to see only where the black man mentioned that detail, skip it to 33:05.

 

[Stan]

Can you clarify what you think Goebbels means when he says on 27 March 1942 that 60% of the Jews being deported from Lublin to the Reinhardt camps will have to be "liquidated." Does he mean that these Jews will be "made fluid," as Dalton suggests? Why does he also say that a "pretty barbaric procedure" is being employed, and that in the aftermath, "not much will remain of the Jews"?

"liquidation" hardly ever carries the meaning "to make fluid" except in chemistry and biology publications, which Goebbels' Tagebuch is not. It more commonly carries the meaning "to sell all assets"; i.e. to turn an illiquid asset like a house into a liquid asset like cash or gold.

But if we're going to take the absolutely literal reading here, I suppose trying to compress, heat, and mechanically pulverize Jews until they become a homogenous fluid would count as a "pretty barbaric procedure".

 

[JohnDoe]

Yeah, in Goebbels diary he is talking about killing civilians

Really? Thats all code for resettlement, please see this entry:

We could go back to arguing about Topf and Sons crematorium designs or flyover photos of Auschwitz if you think that’s more productive.

I'd rather talk about the Luna 3 photos showing the moon resettlements, actually.

But if @History Speaks wants to earn his Nobel Prize in physics he can tell us more about how to access infinite vacuum energy and violate of the Laws of Thermodynamics.