The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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How are they an economic loss if they are in slave labor camps?
"only 40% can be put to work" (btw this is the highest estimate I've seen in any German document)

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I just looked at all the aerial photos of Auschwitz and see no wood nor coal piles next to the crematory
how bout in this one?
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"There is no evidence, therefore you can't disprove my thesis."
incidentally the two pieces of evidence I quoted just above are much more powerful than all the "pro revisionist" evidence in existence. unlike mrolonzo I have no problems making a list
refuting the code words meme is positive evidence of no murderous activity.
ok so I will add these items to your list

the fact Germans referred to the corpse cellar in coded terms ("special cellar") is positive evidence for no murderous activity

there was enough ventilation in the "special cellar" to replace all the air every 6 minutes which is positive evidence for no murderous activity


and what about the document where they call the "special cellar" a "gassing cellar"--is this also positive evidence for no murderous activity? (so it was also a delousing chamber)
 
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"only 40% can be put to work" (btw this is the highest estimate I've seen in any German document)

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how bout in this one?
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incidentally the two pieces of evidence I quoted just above are much more powerful than all the "pro revisionist" evidence in existence. unlike mrolonzo I have no problems making a list

ok so I will add these items to your list

the fact Germans referred to the corpse cellar in coded terms ("special cellar") is positive evidence for no murderous activity

there was enough ventilation in the "special cellar" to replace all the air every 6 minutes which is positive evidence for no murderous activity


and what about the document where they call the "special cellar" a "gassing cellar"--is this also positive evidence for no murderous activity? (so it was also a delousing chamber)

By wood pile in the photo, do you mean the forest?

And you're saying that this aerial photo and the goebbels quote I already addressed is more powerful than the actual operation rules of conduct
for the nazis?

I thought you said you'd read the book?

In fact since I see where you're going - anything we say, instead of response you'll simply "add to the list".

So therefore please add the refutation of all 39 traces then add all the documents and maps and photos in revisionism.
 
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"only 40% can be put to work" (btw this is the highest estimate I've seen in any German document)
So 60% of jews are unable to do any functional labor? You do know this was things like assembly line work and not digging mine shafts right? Hence all the special labor groups required to do anything of substance.
how bout in this one?
If you look really close you can see Bigfoot. Right next to the giant pile of dead jews.
 
And you're saying that this aerial photo and the goebbels quote I already addressed is more powerful than the actual operation rules of conduct
for the nazis?
you mean this?


so this is not an "operational rule of conduct", but a pledge for low ranking camp guards, and it says if Himmler authorized killing it is permissible + unregistered Jews were never officially inmates. so no it's not very good evidence

So therefore please add the refutation of all 39 traces then add all the documents and maps and photos in revisionism.
"refutation" is not positive evidence. I wouldn't say my refutation of your 'camp guard pledge' is evidence that Jews were mass murdered

If you have documents that you think show the non-homicidal nature of the crema, by all means let's see them. I think the best evidence you have is that in documents for the most part the alleged gas chambers are referred to as "corpse cellars", but you don't need to read through 600 pages of pilpul to learn this

there's nothing else about the construction of the buildings that evidences they were non-homicidal, but feel free to post any documents. something like documents showing the "dummy" shower heads were connected to water pipes would suffice

So 60% of jews are unable to do any functional labor?
I think obviously more than 40% were capable of labor, but the available documents state there was no intention of putting them to work. Instead, as in Goebbels, liquidated.
 
If you have documents that you think show the non-homicidal nature of the crema, by all means let's see them
You don't need documents to prove something innocuous is actually something evil. You have to prove it was actually used for evil. You can't so you want us to prove a negative.
I think obviously more than 40% were capable of labor, but the available documents state there was no intention of putting them to work. Instead, as in Goebbels, liquidated.
So they had labor shortages but gave up an unknown percentage of workers for no reason? Is this whole thread just contradiction practice for you or are you actually dumber than we know you are?
 
You can't so you want us to prove a negative.
it was @mrolonzo who said he had "positive evidence of no murderous activity". I never asked for this

So they had labor shortages but gave up an unknown percentage of workers for no reason?
They didn't exactly have a labor shortage with the millions of Soviet POWs, forced labor conscriptions of millions of able bodied people from occupied territories

Elderly Jews and children, people devastated by the horrible conditions in ghettos--these people weren't worth feeding/housing/rehabilitating for the marginal labor value they could eventually provide. Ergo there wasn't even a debate about them being utilized
 
They didn't exactly have a labor shortage with the millions of Soviet POWs, forced labor conscriptions of millions of able bodied people from occupied territories

Elderly Jews and children, people devastated by the horrible conditions in ghettos--these people weren't worth feeding/housing/rehabilitating for the marginal labor value they could eventually provide. Ergo there wasn't even a debate about them being utilized
Damn, now you just straight up lie.
 
Chugger, another buddy of mine, and I are going to be talking about all you guys (among other subjects) tomorrow. https://twitter.com/GhobrialMatthew/status/1555666065027260416

Deniers - I will actually defend your free speech rights in the process of ridiculing.

Call in if you wish to challenge me or Chugger. Even my psychotic stalker is invited (the guy who adds the Islam tags to all my posts).

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I would sooner hit my dick with a hammer than listen to your gay show, go grift somewhere else.
 
As an outsider, having skimmed through the whole thread, the most compelling discussion remains the fuel topic. No he said/she said page long discussions that neither side will ever have any real grasp on regardless of authenticity since it’s been 80 years and the public gets the trickled down scraps in regards to real information. And if only being in academia was the key to unlocking some sort of superpower where you could finally access the unfiltered FACTS. I’m with @Lemmingwise on this, common sense discussion is the most fascinating aspect of reviewing history, and it‘s definitely stuck out that when that occurs here, it’s not the revisionist side that’s unwilling to engage honestly.
 
incidentally the two pieces of evidence I quoted just above are much more powerful than all the "pro revisionist" evidence in existence. unlike mrolonzo I have no problems making a list
You posted a screenshot of a word document purporting to be a translation of something purported to be a diary of Goebbel, and an aerial photograph of what you purport is Auschwitz which shows what, precisely? A burn pit of some kind, maybe, for burning waste? How is all this supposed to support your arguments?

Here, let me post some evidence for you of the Moon Resettlement!
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Here is Goebbel's diary entry discussing how all the Jews were sent to space, and below is a picture from the Soviet Luna 3 probe, showing the Nazi construction on the far side of the Moon.
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Chugger, another buddy of mine, and I are going to be talking about all you guys (among other subjects) tomorrow. https://twitter.com/GhobrialMatthew/status/1555666065027260416

Deniers - I will actually defend your free speech rights in the process of ridiculing.

Call in if you wish to challenge me or Chugger. Even my psychotic stalker is invited (the guy who adds the Islam tags to all my posts).

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So this whole thing, nearly a year's worth of arguing, was bait for taking this to the ONE fucking place where anyone arguing with you is not only going to receive an immediate ban, but potential doxxing?

Journoscum like you don't even deserve the grace of an oven, heaven help anyone stupid enough to take your bait.
 
Chugger, another buddy of mine, and I are going to be talking about all you guys (among other subjects) tomorrow. https://twitter.com/GhobrialMatthew/status/1555666065027260416

Deniers - I will actually defend your free speech rights in the process of ridiculing.

Call in if you wish to challenge me or Chugger. Even my psychotic stalker is invited (the guy who adds the Islam tags to all my posts).

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The two of you both....

1. Signed up roughly around the same time as each other.
2. Are two of the very few single issue posters on the entire site.
3. Have the uncharacteristic ambition of doing off site voiced podcast.
4. Even after continued unanimous disapproval, including by the site owner
5. Are now hosting a podcast together
6. Hold the podcast with a biased frame rather than an open one ("theme of paranoia" vs. "Kooks")


And also Chugger brought up history speaks in another podcast before historyspeaks even posted here. But historyspeaks did already have an acount here, but without posts.

All these facts together glow harder than Terry Davis' nighttime friends. I no longer have any doubt that you've been working together from the start. You cased the kiwifarms, made accounts and persued a predeveloped strategy along the way. Every new single issue poster in this thread is suspect and should be so.

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Also, if you invite people to talk on your podcast and promise to "actually defend your free speech rights", you might want to pick a more welcoming or openminded topic than "should kooks like you be censored?"

Otherwise you might come off as a two faced dick, which you do. Probably because you are.
 
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The two of you both....

1. Signed up roughly around the same time as each other.
2. Are two of the very few single issue posters on the entire site.
3. Have the uncharacteristic ambition of doing off site voiced podcast.
4. Even after continued unanimous disapproval, including by the site owner
5. Are now hosting a podcast together
6. Hold the podcast with a biased frame rather than an open one ("theme of paranoia" vs. "Kooks")


And also Chugger brought up history speaks in another podcast before historyspeaks even posted here. But historyspeaks did already have an acount here, but without posts.

All these facts together glow harder than Terry Davis' nighttime friends. I no longer have any doubt that you've been working together from the start. You cased the kiwifarms, made accounts and persued a predeveloped strategy along the way. Every new single issue poster in this thread is suspect and should be so.

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Also, if you invite people to talk on your podcast and promise to "actually defend your free speech rights", you might want to pick a more welcoming or openminded topic than "should kooks like you be censored?"

Otherwise you might come off as a two faced dick, which you do. Probably because you are.
They both need an IP ban. Any mods up for it?
 
You are kooks lmao. You are treating my hobby social media presence (for which I have asked and received 0 dollars) as proof of some secret plot to derail kiwifarms' Holocaust denial community. Incidentally, I have platformed deniers before (Jim Rizoli, that one guy on Politically Provoked) and let them speak, which proves what I want is to debate and discredit them, not to undermine them through conspiracy..

We are going to discuss kooks (including those in this thread) and their right to free speech.

I had no clue who Chugger was until he was falsely accused of being me by numerous people (including Mike Enoch, CODOH cultists, and various people on this thread). It is funny that he is now accused of being my meat-puppet (or am I his?). But of course this is as paranoid and false as your other dumb conspiracy theories.
 
You are kooks lmao. You are treating my hobby social media presence (for which I have asked and received 0 dollars) as proof of some secret plot to derail kiwifarms' Holocaust denial community. Incidentally, I have platformed deniers before (Jim Rizoli, that one guy on Politically Provoked) and let them speak, which proves what I want is to debate and discredit them, not to undermine them through conspiracy..

We are going to discuss kooks (including those in this thread) and their right to free speech.

I had no clue who Chugger was until he was falsely accused of being me by numerous people (including Mike Enoch, CODOH cultists, and various people on this thread). It is funny that he is now accused of being my meat-puppet (or am I his?). But of course this is as paranoid and false as your other dumb conspiracy theories.
You are absolutely a faggot for trying to bait people to debate with you on twitter knowing exactly what will happen. Everything else is irrelevant.

Go die in a ditch.
 
I am baffled that you all think my inviting you to continue this discussion on another forum (in addition to this one) is some grave offense. Just ignore it and do not listen if it is so scary for you.

I interpret all this as butthurt over the fact that Chugger and I have discredited your stupid conspiracy theories.
 
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