The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

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I believe the Holocaust happened. I just don’t believe the specific numbers and personally find a bit of the other claims a bit ludicrous. Were Jews killed? Absolutely. The Nazi’s documented their experiments and noted several times that after outliving their usefulness to said experiment they would shoot the prisoner in question. Though they never bring up incineration as a disposal method. I think it’s all a lot of exaggeration on top of something that was already horrible but as with most liars the people spreading this propaganda slipped up and made it all just a bit too fantastical.
 
outdoor cremation had no limits besides manpower and fuel demands, so was more frequently used.
We have been over the numerous problems with outdoor cremation before.

It depends completely on the reader's ignorance to make people believe that as it is relatively simple to realize that the amount of physical remains is tremendous for open air cremations.

I also pointed this out before. Publically these things were talked about but also internally, so there can be no accusation of 'atrocity propaganda' . Cavendish Bentinck , British intelligence, was aware of intercepts of German messages reporting mass shooting of children in Russia "On the other hand we do know that the Germans are out to destroy Jews of any age unless they are fit for manual labour"

extermination camps were more secretive but by 1944 it was obvious to Churchill, speaking of Hungarian deportation "You wrote to me on 1 July about the German plans for the massacre of the Hungarian Jews . . . There is no doubt in my mind that we are in the presence of one of the greatest and most horrible crimes ever committed. It has been done by scientific machinery by nominally civilized men in the name of a great state and one of the leading races of Europe
What is the source for churchill saying this?

Why would mass shooting of children on russian front, or 1944 plans of massacre of hungarian jews be reffered to as a holocaust (burnt offering)?
 
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It depends completely on the reader's ignorance to make people believe that as it is relatively simple to realize that the amount of physicial remains is tremendous for open air cremations.
Where did you show this was the case if gasoline was used, as witnesses report?

What is the source for churchill saying this?
Why would mass shooting of children on russian front, or 1944 plans of massacre of hungarian jews be reffered to as a holocaust (burnt offering)?
I'm not that into 'Holocaust' as a name either. Many millions of Jewish victims were certainly not burned. But it's used as shorthand here for genocide/killing . Nevertheless by 1944 it was widely reported they were burning bodies to destroy evidence of this crime, which can be judged as a 'big deal' or not

(in my mind it is not a big deal quantitively, but qualitatively. direct massacre of non-combatants at this level is historically unprecedented )
 
Where did you show this was the case if gasoline was used, as witnesses report?
I don't have evidence that jews weren't thrown into cages to be picked apart by bears and eagles either, as witnesses report, or to be electrified into ashes,as witnesses report, or to be dumped by rollercoasters into great fires, as witnesses report.

But the idea that a country that is experiencing serious fuel shortages while fighting a war in 1944 is using fuel is pretty crazy to even consider. But even when one does, one is still faced with how it would be an incredibly inefficient way, with the amount of fuel it would take to burn bodies to the degree claimed that it leaves negligible residu.

As I said, it depends on the ignorance of physics and biology on what it takes to cremate a body to that degree, or it depends on the ignorance of historicity as to how little physical remains have actually been found in contrast to the claimed death counts.
 
I don't have evidence that jews weren't thrown into cages to be picked apart by bears and eagles either, as witnesses report, or to be electrified into ashes,as witnesses report, or to be dumped by rollercoasters into great fires, as witnesses report.
Can you show me a single courtroom testimony where a witness (whether German, Jewish, or other) claimed to have seen these things?

Because I could show you hundreds where they discuss in detail witnessing gassing + body destruction
But the idea that a country that is experiencing serious fuel shortages while fighting a war in 1944 is using fuel is pretty crazy to even consider. But even when one does, one is still faced with how it would be an incredibly inefficient way, with the amount of fuel it would take to burn bodies to the degree claimed that it leaves negligible residu.


As I pointed out here, total fuel consumption (based on numbers provided to me by a denier--15 million gallons) is a one time cost = to 1/200th of Germany's yearly fuel production. Whereas maintaining millions of non-working Jews in Russia would be much more resource intensive.

As I said, it depends on the ignorance of physics and biology on what it takes to cremate a body to that degree, or it depends on the ignorance of historicity as to how little physical remains have actually been found in contrast to the claimed death counts.
At Belzec they found enormous graves half full of ash layer (which according to Mattogno could be up to 50% pure ash)

Kola's study doesn't get into much detail about the exact composition of the ash layer, and stuff may have decomposed over decades. The 1945 examiners report shows the bodies weren't completely burned

"The opening labeled No. 1 was taken down to a depth of 8 m and a width of10 m and attained the bottom level of the graves. During the operation, at a depth of about 2 m, we struck the first layer of ash stemming from incinerated human bodies, mixed with sand. This layer was about 1 m thick. The next layer of ash was discovered at a depth of 4 – 6 meters. In the ash removed, some charred remains of human bodies were found, such as hands and arms, women’s hair, as well as human bones not totally burnt. We also recovered pieces of burnt wood. In trench No. 1, the layer of human ash stopped at a depth of 6 meters. The opening labeled No. 2 was taken down to a depth of 6 meters. In this trench, the layer of human ash began at a depth of 1.5 m and continued down to a depth of some 5 m, with occasional breaks. Here, too, the ash contained human hair, part of a human body, pieces of clothing, and remnants of incompletely burnt bones. Openings labeled Nos. 3 and 4 were freed to a depth of 3 meters. In hole No. 4, at a depth of 80 cm, we found a human skull with remnants of skin and hair, as well as two shin bones and a rib. Furthermore, at a level of between one and three meters, these holes yielded human ash mixed with sand and fragments of incompletely burnt human bones. Openings labeled Nos. 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 were dug to a depth of 2 m, but showed only human ash mixed with sand and human bones, such as jawbones and shinbones."
 
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As someone who thinks the Holocaust didn't happen but it should have, this is the dumbest fucking ass-pull excuse for why a prison camp could need more machine gun ammo lmfao

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Yes because 9mm pistol ammo used in sub machine guns is exactly the same as 8mm Mauser. If you think people who are on strict rations aren't going to forage whatever they can to supplement it then I assume you eat nothing but fast food your whole life.
 
So now there are claims that the six ovens in Auschwitz were not where the majority of cremations took place?

So now the story is that there were massive bonfires burning and cremating 5000 bodies a day? Who was bringing in all the wood for the fires, enough for 5000 bodies, every single day, during a war? Where were they getting this wood? Where are the burnpits - because surely the communists would have discovered these and put them on display all these decades?

Why does the story keep changing every time hard facts demolish the official narrative?

Also, neither DeGaulle nor Churchill wrote about "the holocaust" in their massive tomes on the war.
 
The entire Holocast debate in a nutshell:

- This happened, we have eyewitnesses.

- No it didn't, because you lack hard evidence, and the science and data say this did not happen.

- Ok, it happened in a different way, like this.

- We checked that, and there is absolutely no data or solid proof to suggest that happened.

- But we have eyewitness testimony, loads of it.

- Your loads of eyewitness testimony before you changed your story three or four times has already been addressed three or four cycles ago.
 
Why does the story keep changing every time hard facts demolish the official narrative?
Except the "official narrative" hasn't changed.

From Hoess's prison memoir, early 1946

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What was being burned in this picture in the pits behind Crema IV at the height of Hungarian deportation?

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Anything to do with this?

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It seems people are still interested in this quote from Greiser's letter recommending that Poles be subjected to "special treatment"
"It will be possible to conclude the action of special treatment of about 100,000 Jews in the area of my Gau, authorized by yourself with the agreement of the head of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt, SS-Obergruppenführer Heydrich, within the next 2-3 months."

I thought I'd share the dossier including all correspondence on this matter (translate with google)


I'd recommend going through the entire thing, very illustrative of how the Nazis approached criminal behavior, in this case "genocide-lite" of the Polish people. The corresponding "special treatment" of the Jews (already decided on and commenced) is actually the secondary issue

In this letter to Greiser, "special treatment" is explicitly defined as euthanasia, but it's obvious throughout the entire dossier

It is in fact not impossible that the Führer who, for some time now, has stopped the action carried out in insane asylums, considers politically inopportune uneconomical to resort for the moment to a "special treatment" condemned patients. In the context of the euthanasia operation, it concerned subjects of German nationality suffering from hereditary diseases. In the present case, it would be about subjects reached of an infectious disease and which rages in a vanquished people.
There is no doubt that the formula envisaged above is the simplest and the most radical. If we could be sure of absolute secrecy, we could leave scruples there, whatever they may be. But I believe it is impossible to keep the secret.
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Experience sufficiently confirms the validity of this way of thinking. If, then, these patients are - as expected - sent to the Old Reich, supposedly to be treated and even healed there, and in reality never return, their close relatives will sooner or later realize, the secret if well kept, "that there is something wrong". It should not be forgotten either that there is a very large number of Polish workers in the Reich who will ask questions about the prolonged stay of their parents, that a certain number of Germans are more or less close relatives of Polish and that they will have knowledge of the evacuation of the sick. The operation would very quickly give rise to certain rumors which foreign propaganda would immediately seize upon. The euthanasia operation taught us how things work and what methods are used in these cases. One might even think that, politically, this new operation would be even more blamed because it is about people belonging to a defeated nation. The Church, for her part, would not remain silent. Moreover, the controversy would go beyond the framework of this particular operation. The rumor is spread by certain circles, which have an interest in acting in such a way that the same methods would be used for German tuberculosis patients, much more, that we should henceforth expect that we would get rid of most incurable patients in this way. . I refer you, in this vein to the often cited example that we have known not very long ago,
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for the recovery of minor injuries. And we know that there are too many illegal listeners.
We must take into account the fact that the envisaged process would provide our enemies with an excellent opportunity for propaganda not only among Italian doctors and scholars, but among the Italian people as a whole, because of their strong ties to Catholicism. There is also no doubt that the enemy would rouse the medical profession around the world. And the thing would be all the easier since everywhere and at all times the goal assigned to medicine has been "to preserve the life of the poor and innocent patient as long as possible, and to alleviate their sufferings".

edit: HC blog has translated these http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2017/07/sonderkommando-kulmhof-in-german.html#_doc26
 
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Yes because 9mm pistol ammo used in sub machine guns is exactly the same as 8mm Mauser. If you think people who are on strict rations aren't going to forage whatever they can to supplement it then I assume you eat nothing but fast food your whole life.
Yes of course all I do is eat McDonalds and browse TikTok. This is why I don't think the primary reason people at a prison camp would be requesting more ammo is because they're going out hunting wild deer.

Truly I have been owned, pwned and humiliated.
 
Yes of course all I do is eat McDonalds and browse TikTok. This is why I don't think the primary reason people at a prison camp would be requesting more ammo is because they're going out hunting wild deer.

Truly I have been owned, pwned and humiliated.
You definitely have the reading compression of a tiktoker.
 
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