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People often ask "If you could go back in time would you kill Hitler?"
This has been answered in song.
This has been answered in song.
The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers
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Bonesjones
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Lmao.
You've never worked a job in your life. Not even one close to manual labor.
How much weight do you think a person can move all day , every day? I hope you quote 16 tons at me too so I can laugh even harder at you.
Hey if you knuckleheads know a document that you think contradicts the holocaust story I'll check it out. I don't think a single one exists, but that shouldn't stop you from looking.
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Bonesjones
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Guys I need a document! A piece of paper or it doesn't count!
Just a reminder you are arguing with a bunch of nerds with no life experiences. At no point can they add to or quantify the data available because they simply don't have the mind to do it. They implicitly trust what they are told by authority figures because nothing inside them can contradict someone "who knows better".
Keep being an absolute joke of a person.
Edit: Sorry I was wrong all this time, they actually used a Karate master to chop them to death and thus no gas chamber was needed.
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The Bichoff letters that Pressac claimed show criminal traces, as well as the actual invoices for work planned and done contradicts the holocaust story. It showed they planned to ventilate the undressing room more than the supposed gas chamber. Thus showing it wasn't a gas chamber.
It's likely there were a number of ancillary duties around this task. Keeping the fire going, arranging the intake, preparing the fire, dealing with the cremated remains - at one point before it got too much the camp would deliver the Jews remains in an urn to his family. Plus also delousing operations, dealing with soiled and infected clothing. This duty was in fact vital to camp health.
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One such job is specifically mentioned, "wood unloader"
Everything still normal here, maybe even the opposite of suspicious? I wonder how much wood is necessary to burn 50 bodies in a state of the art crematory that uses coal.
Zo, what do you think SS Officer Heinrich Kinna, in his letter to Himmler on 16 December 1942, meant when he said about Auschwitz that "according to the instructions of the RSHA, in contrast to the measures applied to Jews, Poles have to die a natural death." ("nach Anweisung des RSHA entgegen der bei den Juden angewendeten Maßnahme, Polen eines natürlichen Todes sterben müssen")
So the "measures applied to the Jews" did not entail a natural death for them. What does that mean to you?
Why did the foreman who was fitting gas-tight windows in crema 4 (hmmmm . .. . . ) refer to crema 4 as a "gas chamber" in his daily report (2 March 1943) https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust...sac/technique-and-operation/pressac0446.shtml
So the "measures applied to the Jews" did not entail a natural death for them. What does that mean to you?
Why did the foreman who was fitting gas-tight windows in crema 4 (hmmmm . .. . . ) refer to crema 4 as a "gas chamber" in his daily report (2 March 1943) https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust...sac/technique-and-operation/pressac0446.shtml
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Kremer's diary is a nice one too. In it he uses a self-evident code word "sonderaktion", but what does it mean? Revisionists think it is authentic, which is pretty dumb of them to be honest.
Here is an infograph I made laying out some of the arguments
Here is an infograph I made laying out some of the arguments
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I like how you and Speaks have just casually rotated back to "labor shifts were marked as wood unloaders, therefore millions were cremated" with no acknowledgement of the many pages spent trying to avoid facing the fuel requirements to cremate that involved a dodge first to it being easier because the bodies are starved, then to a dodge to using precisely timed dumps of fat corpses from the Netherlands, then to magical crematoriums that incinerate forever once preheated (with a detour somewhere to open air pits) and now we're back to "they were incinerated perfectly, goy".
I think Lemmingwise was right, you guys are just reading a call script.
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I feel as though you couldn't explain combustion to a fire, Chugs. Give it a go, though, if you like.
Lol good luck with this. This is a guy who thinks the “laws of thermodynamics” contradict the concept of fuel efficiency, and conflates energy with fuel (which is merely a source of energy).
Among the deniers here, I actually prefer zo to lemming, bonehead, and I freakin love science JohnDoe. Sure, Zoe’s stuff is all copypasta from one dude (Mattogno), and at the end of the day he is pretty crazy too (see his calling Stalinist gulags benign places with excellent health care because they had hospitals that performed surgery).
But at least he posts documents and reads books. The others only regurgitate image board memes.
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As long as I perceive the Holocaust happened in the past, then it happened. Who knows maybe I traveled from a different past where it was true and now it isn’t, or wasn’t but now is. YOU CANNOT TELL ME DIFFERENT.
Bonesjones
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"I wonder how much wood is used to burn bodies in a state of the art crematory that uses coal."
Absolute insanity.
Thank you sir
So let's assume the fuel requirements are actually really high, as high as with civilian crematoria which can't burn multiple bodies together and are generally heated up from room temperature before each use
But why do you think this is a problem for the holocaust narrative? I want you to walk me through your reasoning here.
Yes I agree. There isn't a plausible reason for 900 workers including 30 dedicated "wood unloaders" to be needed to dispose of 50 bodies per day in the coal run kremas
But there is if they were destroying thousands of bodies every day in the pits outside the krema
Bonesjones
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Lol keep not making any sense as you grasp at straws, you fucking mongloid. See they used coal in their magic furnaces and wood for the rest of them. Even though they had enough capacity 5 times over, they built more, and when that wasn't enough they just burnt them in big piles!
according to mainstream historiography some cremas failed and most bodies were burned in the pits
from Hoess's memoir
So the labor force documents are consistent with the witness testimonies but not with what revisionists believe (50 deaths per day during this period, a low enough body count to be easily handled by the crema)
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I'm bored so I'll write something up on this topic. I'm lucky enough to have spoken to an SS officer firsthand so I'd like to believe I have an ounce of credibility.
Was it real? Yes. Is it exaggerated in some manners? Yes. Do right-wingers and the like also downplay the horror it brought on white people and Europeans as a whole for some weird personal reasons, likely so that the Nazis can be a historical icon for them to look up to? Yes.
Mass murder generally doesn't work. The Jews were running rampant in Germany, spreading degeneracy throughout the Weimar Republic and responsible for so much disgusting shit that you see today in the west modernly. But Hitler wasn't a good answer or the solution. Hitler provided protections and special statuses to any Jews who gave him enough money or power, including the Rothschilds.
This part comes from the conversation I had with the officer along with my own research. A lot of the oven stuff is BS, but it was utilized to burn the bodies of those suspected of having diseases to help prevent the spread. The officer I spoke to was quite forward about how sadistic the whole system was and how much he regretted much of it. They had a system for how to starve them effectively, so they could extract the most labor for the least cost of food. They actually had some of the first grounded nutritional/caloric sciences in those labor camps. It was a very cynical, calculated starvation method to extract as much usefulness from them while also killing them.
And this didn't just effect Jews either. This hurt so many French, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, you name it. Just anyone who was even mildly against the Nazi way. The Jews just love to fucking suck up all the spotlight. I think a lot of people want to like the Nazis because they are quite a hypnotic machine. Plus we technically have a common enemy in modern day globalism and the Jewish aristocracy running much of that globalist planning. But people have to remember that the Nazis in many aspects were just as globohomo.
The only way we can really make progress against the enemy modernly is by forging new paths, not lingering on the old failures. We have to learn from those mistakes as nationalist minded people and make new connections, new friends and new hopes. I guess in the end my opinion is, people need to stop mythologizing it so much from every side of the conversation and just look at it for what it was and move on. Stop the obsession.
Was it real? Yes. Is it exaggerated in some manners? Yes. Do right-wingers and the like also downplay the horror it brought on white people and Europeans as a whole for some weird personal reasons, likely so that the Nazis can be a historical icon for them to look up to? Yes.
Mass murder generally doesn't work. The Jews were running rampant in Germany, spreading degeneracy throughout the Weimar Republic and responsible for so much disgusting shit that you see today in the west modernly. But Hitler wasn't a good answer or the solution. Hitler provided protections and special statuses to any Jews who gave him enough money or power, including the Rothschilds.
This part comes from the conversation I had with the officer along with my own research. A lot of the oven stuff is BS, but it was utilized to burn the bodies of those suspected of having diseases to help prevent the spread. The officer I spoke to was quite forward about how sadistic the whole system was and how much he regretted much of it. They had a system for how to starve them effectively, so they could extract the most labor for the least cost of food. They actually had some of the first grounded nutritional/caloric sciences in those labor camps. It was a very cynical, calculated starvation method to extract as much usefulness from them while also killing them.
And this didn't just effect Jews either. This hurt so many French, Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, you name it. Just anyone who was even mildly against the Nazi way. The Jews just love to fucking suck up all the spotlight. I think a lot of people want to like the Nazis because they are quite a hypnotic machine. Plus we technically have a common enemy in modern day globalism and the Jewish aristocracy running much of that globalist planning. But people have to remember that the Nazis in many aspects were just as globohomo.
The only way we can really make progress against the enemy modernly is by forging new paths, not lingering on the old failures. We have to learn from those mistakes as nationalist minded people and make new connections, new friends and new hopes. I guess in the end my opinion is, people need to stop mythologizing it so much from every side of the conversation and just look at it for what it was and move on. Stop the obsession.
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My they actually had exactititude about calories?
The sheer unmitigated evil on display here is terrifying.....
Oh wait, so does every military today... ...
Zo, I am at least going to try to get you off this insane view that the camps were benign places.
According to Mattogno's own book, the majority of inmates in the concentration camps had died by 1943. How exactly can that be squared with a benign and humane camp system?
Before you say typhus, ask yourself why was the incidence of it and the death rate from it so high? It would not have been if there was a serious effort to preserve sanitary conditions and treat the infected. It was obviously due to massive neglect.
The changes in 1943 on which Mattogno largely bases his book (more sleep, better food, health care) were expressly about more efficiently exploiting their labor force (the SS says it is not about "hypocritical sentimentality" for the well-being of the inmates, but about efficient use of labor for the war). But what about before 1943? If the Nazis were such sweethearts why did the majority of the inmates in the camps die, even on Mattogno's account?
Obviously, this is outside the purview of our main disagreement, regarding the fate of the majority of Jewish arrivals at Auschwitz who were not able-bodied (I, along with mainstream historians, say they were gassed). But I want to ask you again whether you think these camps were benign places with excellent health care for the inmates (slave laborers).
Also, if you get a chance answer my earlier question about the other document in which the foreman refers to air-tight gas windows in crema IV and calls crema IV a "gas chamber." And remind me of the Primo Levi quote you wanted me to share. I genuinely did not understand what you were referring to, but you kept mentioning how I am "hiding" this quote or whatever so please tell me what you are referring to so I can share it.
According to Mattogno's own book, the majority of inmates in the concentration camps had died by 1943. How exactly can that be squared with a benign and humane camp system?
Before you say typhus, ask yourself why was the incidence of it and the death rate from it so high? It would not have been if there was a serious effort to preserve sanitary conditions and treat the infected. It was obviously due to massive neglect.
The changes in 1943 on which Mattogno largely bases his book (more sleep, better food, health care) were expressly about more efficiently exploiting their labor force (the SS says it is not about "hypocritical sentimentality" for the well-being of the inmates, but about efficient use of labor for the war). But what about before 1943? If the Nazis were such sweethearts why did the majority of the inmates in the camps die, even on Mattogno's account?
Obviously, this is outside the purview of our main disagreement, regarding the fate of the majority of Jewish arrivals at Auschwitz who were not able-bodied (I, along with mainstream historians, say they were gassed). But I want to ask you again whether you think these camps were benign places with excellent health care for the inmates (slave laborers).
Also, if you get a chance answer my earlier question about the other document in which the foreman refers to air-tight gas windows in crema IV and calls crema IV a "gas chamber." And remind me of the Primo Levi quote you wanted me to share. I genuinely did not understand what you were referring to, but you kept mentioning how I am "hiding" this quote or whatever so please tell me what you are referring to so I can share it.
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