The Great Porn Debate - The Coomites vs Anti-Faparians

[Mothra1988]

You said pornography should be legal because it is free speech per se. You think the Government shouldn’t censor any pornography. That’s exactly what every pedophile says about child porn.

If somebody just likes pornography, that’s whatever, it’s their prerogative to be wrong. If they think it’s an expression of “free speech”, like you do, then they’re probably Digibro.
I thought this was a discussion thread. I’m happy to reply to other people but I’m going to ignore you.

>doubling down on this illogical mental gymnastics diarrhea of a strawman

If we're going to start accusing people of saying things they never said or implied based on retarded non-existent inferences caused by your mental illness, I'm going to say since you think sex should be legal, you must think fucking dogs is okay. Please stop raping dogs, you dog rapist.

 

[im5!XxhO]

You said pornography should be legal because it is free speech per se. You think the Government shouldn’t censor any pornography. That’s exactly what every pedophile says about child porn.

Bad faith argument. Society has decided that children don't have the capacity to consent to stuff like that, so by definition it's non consensual content. That has never been included in the free speech argument. Free speech doesn't protect your right to force someone at gun point to star in a porn movie and publish that, so it obviously does not cover minors that we decided can't consent in the first place.

Unless someone specifically states the opposite it is simply bad faith to assume such content should be included just as it is very bad faith to accuse the "love for all" crowd to also want to legalise sex with children (admittely that argument has gotten a lot weaker in recent years ...)

I find it interesting that some of the porn ban crowd have to invoke the scourge of CP. It doesn't really inspire confidence in the initial premise.

 

[Devout Muslim]

Bad faith argument.

it is simply bad faith

it is very bad faith

I find it interesting that some of the porn ban crowd have to invoke the scourge of CP. It doesn't really inspire confidence in the initial premise.

It’s bad faith to pretend that a criticism specifically of the muh free speech defence is somehow the argument against pornography. This entire thread is full of bad faith arguments made by pro-porn side.

Society has decided that children don't have the capacity to consent to stuff like that, so by definition it's non consensual content. That has never been included in the free speech argument.

From a legal perspective that’s not the case. Free speech protections have been invoked as a defence by child pornographers in many cases. New York v. Ferber gave five reasons why it’s not protected speech and consent wasn’t one of them. Simulated child pornography is also illegal in every important English-speaking nation, despite having no actual children involved.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

You said pornography should be legal because it is free speech per se. You think the Government shouldn’t censor any pornography. That’s exactly what every pedophile says about child porn.

If somebody just likes pornography, that’s whatever, it’s their prerogative to be wrong. If they think it’s an expression of “free speech”, like you do, then they’re probably Digibro.

Problem with CP is children take part in it and we have to be very careful when dealing with children in traditionally adult spaces like work and labour, like porn brothels and clubs, like media etc etc. The reason why keeping children away from these places irl is cause of them being a blank slate, them being unable to understand and perceive the world enough to make conscious autonomous decisions and also them not having undergone any physical development at all. Generally I would say children should be completely controlled by their parents, sometimes against their own will until theyre capable of understanding the complete consequences of their actions. But with that said Im sure with AI theres gonna be AI CP which is going to have little to no arguments against except pedos are mentally ill and deserve to be shot.

 

[im5!XxhO]

This entire thread is full of bad faith arguments made by pro-porn side.

I can't find many unless you think invoking personal responsibility and personal freedom is bad faith. It's also not bad faith to warn of the secondary consequences, that empowering the government to do more online censorship will have since that actually happens a lot.

For me the solution is pretty simple: Don't like porn, don't watch it. Nothing has convinced me that it is so dangerous that we can't allow it at all.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

From a purely utilitarian perspective there's just no good reason to keep porn legal, let alone any moral justification, just flimsy abstract "muh freedumb".

 

[AgendaPoster]

I can't find many unless you think invoking personal responsibility and personal freedom is bad faith. It's also not bad faith to warn of the secondary consequences, that empowering the government to do more online censorship will have since that actually happens a lot.

For me the solution is pretty simple: Don't like porn, don't watch it. Nothing has convinced me that it is so dangerous that we can't allow it at all.

Yeah, it is bad faith.
There is no infinite personal freedom. Freedom is severely limited by our own capabilities, as well by the societies we live in and the rules we accepted, reluctantly or not, to maintain some social order. Freedom is when you're alone like Uncle Ted in the woods, and even then some corpo might still come and cut the damn wood.
Censorship happens and has happened for the entirety of human existence. Everyone accepts that specific things should be censored. There is no discussion about that. There is no "responsible" consumption of CP or heroin.
The One and Only question that remains is where do we draw the line, and why, and which compromises will we make to maintain some freedom, while crushing undesirable behaviors, and which behaviors should be deemed undesirable by most.
Arguing otherwise is bad faith indeed, like 99% of the libertarian lunacy.

 

[LurkTrawl]

>Popular support arises to give the government the power to ban pornography
>Government takes it as a mandate to crack down on undesirable pornagraphic imagery and video
>Only pornography left available is either tranny, blacked, or the stuff in K-12 libraries
???
>Massive right-wing victory

Even outside of any argument moral/philosophical/logical around the topic, the fact that a government, in the U.S. at least, that already both selectively chooses when and where to enforce child pornography laws (Facebook, Twitter, etc), and produces it (Finders cult), is being talked about as if it would actually enforce such a mandate in any way shape or form that would be desirable for the people calling upon such action would be fucking laughable if it weren't so delusional.

Maybe we can have this conversation in a serious manner after there's a serious change in the levels of corruption in the state apparatus and political leanings of the people in it. Until then it comes off as schizophrenic as someone saying they're the emperor of America. Or talking about how to best go about shipping blacks back to Africa.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Or talking about how to best go about shipping blacks back to Africa.

I like that conversation tho

 

[AgendaPoster]

You will notice that the lolbert brain infection sufferers will completely lose their shit and wildly seethe and negrate any attempts at curtailing personal freedoms when it comes to various vices, like porn, prostitution, gambling, drugs and so on.
Yet they are completely silent as Big Gov intrudes in the lives of conservative Americans and forces them to associate with blacks at gunpoint. That is GOOD coercion, and should not be discussed or debated.
So those arguing for endless increases in personal freedom only do that towards a more degenerate, hedonistic society, and they always try to block idealism and virtue pursuing, likely because they are deviants themselves that fear a just society and want that their vices be accepted, even promoted.
Always treat lolberts with the utmost suspicion, as they are never sincere.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

I suspect on KF you have an intersection of two retarded positions not acceptable on a lot of other sites that lend themselves to obsessing over porn: you've got angry feminists (especially terfs), and reactionary conservatives.
Both demographics tend to be perpetually mad, sexually unfulfilled weirdos

So they should bang?

 

[Mothra1988]

From a purely utilitarian perspective there's just no good reason to keep porn legal, let alone any moral justification, just flimsy abstract "muh freedumb".

I like how all the authoritarian schizos in this thread can just pout and go, "Wel,l if I was in charge, there would be no freedom of speech, so there!" Complete brain cancer from adult children.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I like how all the authoritarians in this thread can just pout and go, "Well if I was in charge, there would be no freedom of speech, so there!" Complete brain cancer from adult children.

I like that you didn't even bother pretending I'm wrong, and literally went to "muh freedumb" just like I said.

 

[Omen_Sulk]

I would rather people explore why porn is free on the internet, accessible by children. If I am watching hardcore BDSM porn for nothing. Where is that money coming from? For the actors? For the server fees? For the bandwidth costs? Why is it so important to the powers that be that everyone needs access to unlimited free porn? Who's paying for all this?

When I was a young teen I was lucky to grab a wet t-shirt scene, or shower scene in a movie. Now 8 year olds with iphones can watch double fisting videos for free. What's going on?

 

[Mothra1988]

I like that you didn't even bother pretending I'm wrong, and literally went to "muh freedumb" just like I said.

Do I really need to disprove such a retarded statement? Do you think anyone cares about the subjective morality of some edgy internet retard that constantly gets in slap fights over dumb fringe alt right shit? You could say that about anything. "There's no utilitarian reaoson to keep Scooby Doo legal other than "freedumbs." Imagine being such a tool you think typing "freedumb" would come off well.

Can I ask you why you even bothered coming back after signing up in Onion Farms with the same fucking name and avatar (lol) and posting in their anti-KF thread? Not even HHH has done something that retarded. I was kind of hoping you two ran off together and got gay married.

 

[Star Platinum]

i don't see why people give so much of a shit. but i also can't really relate to easily-addicted people. i've thought i was addicted to things before... and then i just quit them. porn can serve a utilitarian function but it's not that special so i struggle to understand how people get addicted to it.
(Edit to avoid double-posting):

I would rather people explore why porn is free on the internet, accessible by children. If I am watching hardcore BDSM porn for nothing. Where is that money coming from? For the actors? For the server fees? For the bandwidth costs? Why is it so important to the powers that be that everyone needs access to unlimited free porn? Who's paying for all this?

When I was a young teen I was lucky to grab a wet t-shirt scene, or shower scene in a movie. Now 8 year olds with iphones can watch double fisting videos for free. What's going on?

idk, i think this argument is kinda dated. porn sites are riddled with ads. nowadays, tons of content is "free" yet makes more money than content you have to buy. youtube, twitch, etc. paywalls are antiquated at this point.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Do I really need to disprove such a retarded statement? Do you think anyone cares about the subjective morality of some edgy internet retard that constantly gets in slap fights over dumb fringe alt right shit? You could say that about anything. "There's no utilitarian reaoson to keep Scooby Doo legal other than "freedumbs." Imagine being such a tool you think typing "freedumb" would come off well.

Can I ask you why you even bothered coming back after signing up in Onion Farms with the same fucking name and avatar (lol) and posting in their anti-KF thread? Not even HHH has done something that retarded. I was kind of hoping you two ran off together and got gay married.

That's a lot of words to say "you're not wrong".

 

[Mothra1988]

That's a lot of words to say "you're not wrong".

Are you going to cry to the Onion Farms thread you post in now? lol

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Are you going to cry to the Onion Farms thread you post in now? lol

At least this one's a short way of saying "you're not wrong". I guess we're done here

 

[Mothra1988]

At least this one's a short way of saying "you're not wrong". I guess we're done here

By "we" do you mean the anti-KF thread you post in at Onion Farms? lol