Opinion The Flash Bringing Dead Actors Back With CGI Is Disgusting - The Flash is another in a growing list of blockbusters to bring the dead back to life with CGI, but it needs to be the last.

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BY JAMES TROUGHTON
PUBLISHED 15 HOURS AGO


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The Flash is DC’s answer to the MCU’s multiverse saga, morphing what was once an interesting narrative device into an arm’s race on who can get the most fan-favourite cameos. Spider-Man: No Way Home got a headstart with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, so The Flash brought in Michael Keaton. As leaks reveal, it also features Christopher Reeve, Adam West, and George Reaves. Unlike the cameos that came before, these three are dead actors, but they were brought back to fulfil a similar goal - nostalgia bait. But what joy is there in lifeless puppets with the faces of dead actors?

It’s a disservice to their entire careers, tarnishing their legacies. Christopher Reeves’ last ‘appearance’ in film is now an action figure conjured to lull audiences with mindless nostalgia. We should’ve heard the alarm bells when Peter Cushing was brought back for Rogue One, we should have raised the pitchforks after deepfake Carrie Fisher, and we should have demanded it all end when Ghostbusters: Afterlife resurrected Harold Ramis. Instead, we cheered it on.

It sets a dangerous precedent for cinema. It means actors can be cast in roles without their consent post-mortem. It’s one thing for a studio to have the rights to your character and the story you’re in, it’s another to have the rights to you. The Flash didn’t bring back Superman, it brought back Christopher Reeve and tried to pass it off as him playing the character in what looks like a poorly rendered PS3 cutscene. He didn’t. There’s no performance here.

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Estates and families may give permission, but that doesn’t make it ethical. Even if they claim that the actor would’ve been fine with it, the actor can’t read the script or understand the wider context of the film because they’re dead. Reeve might’ve hated the direction of his Superman in The Flash, Adam West might not have been interested in a multiversal story with two other Batmen, we don’t know. The second they die, that door closes, and with it, their take on these characters should be left alone, the torch passing to the next.

Directors like the Russo brothers want to take things a step further. They recently discussed a world in which we could bring dead celebrities like Marilyn Monroe back to life with AI that would write romcoms starring us, the viewer, literally letting us live out our fantasies. This is unsettling for all the same reasons as Reeve, but it also positions celebrities—disproportionately women—as objects who exist, even beyond death, just to serve our needs. We’re already seeing that with deepfake porn of Twitch streamers and famous movie stars, because the endgame of fan service and nostalgia bait is turning celebrities into literal commodities without consent. Normalising the use of CGI to bring your favourite superheroes back to life is barely a domino away from a culture where tech is used to rip people’s own likeness away from them to satisfy our own selfish desires.

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Even if you’re on board with bringing back old characters ad nauseam, there are already better solutions than CGI necromancy. Superman Returns continued the Christopher Reeve movies with Brandon Routh as the titular hero. He then reprised the role in the CW Crisis on Infinite Earths event, and Routh is still alive and well. Roles are recast and other actors make them their own all the time. Having an actual actor give a performance means they can interact with the world organically and explore their character in more nuanced ways, whereas Reeve awkwardly looks off into the distance with a blank expression separate from everybody else. What does it add to the story? What does it tell us about his character? Nothing, it’s only there to make old fans feel young again.

In Rogue One, an early example of this abuse of art, Cushing looked uncanny and cartoonish, standing out in every single scene he was in—but, again, there was already a precedent. Cushing’s character, Grand Moff Tarkin, had been recast in Revenge of the Sith and The Clone Wars, so to drag him out of the grave to put on the costume not only felt insensitive, but completely unnecessary. If the idea was to seamlessly flow with A New Hope, don’t use their characters. Tarkin could’ve been any Imperial general, or the movie could’ve given Darth Vader and Orson Krennic more prominent roles. Even the improved Luke Skywalker in The Book of Boba Fett felt off because of a monotone AI voice that failed to capture any of the emotion of Mark Hamill’s performance. You need actors to act, and the fact I need to say that is bizarre. Recast, put their roles to rest, anything but what we’re doing. Ten years ago if you needed a young Luke Skywalker you’d give someone like Sebastian Stan a phone call and a new legacy would be born.

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It’s as much about nostalgia bait as it is about the vanity of creatives and higher-ups who want to live out an impossible fantasy. The Flash director Andy Muschiette said that, in regards to cameos, “everything was allowed”. He said, “I made a list of superheroes that I love, that I would love to see… then, for pacing, we had to shortlist that a little bit.”

The idea of Adam West and Christopher Reeve on screen together is exciting and I get Muschiette’s joy at being able to make that a reality, but the actors are dead and with them that possibility. We shouldn’t puppeteer their corpses to live out our childhood dreams, we should cast new people and tell new stories. That’s the line in the sand we need to draw, that the dead should be left dead, rather than gleefully saying “everything was allowed” like a kid who has been handed a box of toys to smush together. These are real people, not action figures.

Instead of Christopher Reeve, we could’ve seen Routh or Tyler Hoechlin, and instead of Adam West, we could’ve had Christian Bale. There are always other options—living people. But even the very-much-alive Helen Slater was CGI, once again making it clear that the endgame is to strip down the role of actors and artists, paying them less and charging fans more for spoonfed nostalgia.

Like most recent tech controversies, higher-ups want to hasten the process of making ‘art’, whether that’s getting rid of writers and replacing them with AI, using AI to replicate an actor’s voice as we saw with Luke Skywalker, or using CGI to bring people to life. But art without people is meaningless—there’s no substance or critique, no personal meaning or history bleeding into the plot to tell stories that we can relate to. It’s just a stream of by-the-numbers content that tries to cater to everyone, but ironically ends up so dull and lifeless it won’t resonate with anyone. Hopefully, The Flash will prove to be the final nail in the coffin for CGI actors, showing general audiences what a truly horrific and bad idea it is. But since people are more concerned about being ‘spoiled’ in regards to a slideshow of dead faces, I’m not optimistic.
 
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Ezra Miller still has a job despite being a degenerate pedophile.

But this is also a pretty solid argument. It's absolutely disrespectful on the fact that now dead actors are appearing on poor CGI renders. It's almost like the article says, it's like pupeetering their bodies in front of an audience and only expecting nostalgia-filled claps. Good lord, that Christopher Reeves looks dreadful.

It reminds me of this commercial that was made in Mexico a year ago. Putting a HORRIFYING deepfake of Roberto Gomez Bolaños, who has been dead since 2014 to promote some shitty streaming service.


Also, the director is looking more and more like a delusional douchebag to me, considering how he's responding to the criticism of this movie.
 
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I’d argue Ghostbusters actually sort of earned its moment as it literally revolved the movie around the guy’s in-universe death, and did it in a really nice way. It was nostalgia-pandering, yet it was well-done nostalgia pandering.

Every other example is effectively “LOOK IT’S THAT OLD ACTOR PLEASE CLAP” and serves no actual story reason. Especially for Adam West’s Batman, like, the costume is more iconic than the actual face, just find a stand-in that can also do a good Adam West voice.
 
Instead of Christopher Reeve, we could’ve seen Routh or Tyler Hoechlin,
Or Henry Cavill, who was very well liked in the role. I'd love to know what dick he didn't suck to make Pedowood hate him so much.

Even if it's the most awesome movie ever, I'm not giving DC a dime for pushing the insane faggots that is Ezra on us. Or for firing Depp and Cavill.
 
But this is also a pretty solid argument. It's absolutely disrespectful on the fact that now dead actors are appearing on poor CGI renders. It's almost like the article says, it's like pupeetering their bodies in front of an audience and only expecting nostalgia-filled claps. Good lord, that Christopher Reeves looks dreadful.
It's not. All actors are nigger faggots and hate you. Why haven't you learned this post-Twitter? The only reason you think Reeves is okay is because he wasn't on Twitter 24 hours a day screaming at Trump. He probably would have been if he was alive.

The fact technology is making these people into a soulless commodity that can just be reproduced is hilarious and I fully welcome it. Everyone in entertainment is a piece of shit, most of them just being born into it like aristocracy, and if there was any justice they'd be working in a salt mine in Siberia.
 
It sets a dangerous precedent for cinema. It means actors can be cast in roles without their consent post-mortem. It’s one thing for a studio to have the rights to your character and the story you’re in, it’s another to have the rights to you.
How are they not sued into oblivion by the actors' families for this?

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Ezra Miller still has a job despite being a degenerate pedophile.
And Roman Polanski still gets to make films. These pedo-groomers are untouchable.
 
The Flash is a good demonstration of how fast I‘d run away from a theater if I accidentally sat down and a Marvel movie started playing

Anyway, well, that’s disgusting. Kinda wish Disney would stop doing evil shit all the time.
 
If this can be done to 'rich and famous actors', it can be done to any other public figure.
You own your own likeness. I don't see how this even applies. The estate approves the likeness and then they get money from it. It's what Elvis's estate does to generate bazillions. I don't know why you don't think actors are greedy hacks who wouldn't be fine with their beneficiaries doing it.

And if you think this is in bad taste, YOU paid money for the Flash, starring obnoxious faggot Ezra Miller, who is so protected he beat up a woman on camera and got away with it. It's your fault for paying for a shit sandwich.
 
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You own your own likeness. I don't see how this even applies. The estate approves the likeness and then they get money from it. It's what Elvis's estate does to generate bazillions. I don't know why you don't think actors' are greedy hacks who wouldn't be fine with their beneficiaries doing it.

And if you think this is in bad taste, YOU paid money for the Flash, starring obnoxious faggot Ezra Miller, who is so protected he beat up a woman on camera and got away with it. It's your fault for paying for a shit sandwich.
I don't even care for capeshit. You're acting as if this didn't concern you. Just watch all film production companies worldwide adapting deepfaking of dead/old people (or their voices when it comes to voice acting) until specific laws against it are passed (or not).
 
I don't even care for capeshit. You're acting as if this didn't concern you. Just watch all film production companies worldwide adapting deepfaking of dead/old people (or their voices when it comes to voice acting) until specific laws against it are passed (or not).

1. Who cares? Movies are shit. Actors are shit. Let it all burn.

2. Why would you want some unconstitutional over-reach law passed limiting speech and art over dead people being in movies? Dead people's whose families approved this garbage.
 
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Ezra Miller still has a job despite being a degenerate pedophile.

But this is also a pretty solid argument. It's absolutely disrespectful on the fact that now dead actors are appearing on poor CGI renders. It's almost like the article says, it's like pupeetering their bodies in front of an audience and only expecting nostalgia-filled claps. Good lord, that Christopher Reeves looks dreadful.

It reminds me of this commercial that was made in Mexico a year ago. Putting a HORRIFYING deepfake of Roberto Gomez Bolaños, who has been dead since 2014 to promote some shitty streaming service.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bjAgIoqgPsw
Also, the director is looking more and more like a delusional douchebag to me, considering how he's responding to the criticism of this movie.
#MeToo unless your star is a wannabe cult leader/child molester/kidnapper!
 
The Flash is a good demonstration of how fast I‘d run away from a theater if I accidentally sat down and a Marvel movie started playing

Anyway, well, that’s disgusting. Kinda wish Disney would stop doing evil shit all the time.

If you weren't aware Disney IS evil shit these days.
 
The Flash is a good demonstration of how fast I‘d run away from a theater if I accidentally sat down and a Marvel movie started playing

Anyway, well, that’s disgusting. Kinda wish Disney would stop doing evil shit all the time.
The Flash is DC, though. Can't blame didney for this one.
 
This is unsettling for all the same reasons as Reeve, but it also positions celebrities—disproportionately women—as objects who exist, even beyond death, just to serve our needs. We’re already seeing that with deepfake porn of Twitch streamers and famous movie stars, because the endgame of fan service and nostalgia bait is turning celebrities into literal commodities without consent. Normalising the use of CGI to bring your favourite superheroes back to life is barely a domino away from a culture where tech is used to rip people’s own likeness away from them to satisfy our own selfish desires.
This is the point of the article. Whaa deepfakes! Women most affected!
 
Its creepy and weird to bring back dead actors for nostalgia bait of all things but I'm sure its right to just shit on the studio for doing it, surely whoever controls the estate of the dead actor had to be contacted about it otherwise we would be hearing about lawsuits over it. I think the people signing off on this to effectively get free money are absolutely worse than the soulless studio execs who benefit from the nostalgiabuxs.
 
I still can't believe the Flash movie is going ahead as planned. If I were Ezra Miller I'd be out robbing banks and shit because it's clear that he's developed some kind of diplomatic immunity. They canned that Batwoman movie for being dreck, but this shit that's almost assuredly dreck as well gets the go ahead with a psycho headlining it.

As for CGI actors, it is really stupid, I haven't seen many people disagree with that. The studios would save tons of cash by just recasting these parts, probably more than they'll lose from the vocal minority of weirdos who would actually complain that a dead actor was missing from the production. Recasting is a time-honored tradition in acting thanks to stage plays. Not to mention these CGI replicas are still pretty limited, and can't really have a major role like a live actor. Hollywood movies are all about the image and the brand rather than the story, so I guess from that perspective the look of the character is far more important than what he's doing.
 
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