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AlmightyMagichan said:
So hold on a minute, the Sephiroth they fought at the end of part 1 was supposed to be from the original game dimension, right? Does that mean there are two Sephiroths running around?
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Completely unknown but based on the ultimana and such Im gonna say there's only one "real" sephiroth and one "fake" that's using him as a skinsuit. I think the "fake" one is the one from the original end and AC.

It doesn't help that in the remake a lot of it is hallucinations/past memories from AC cloud. which muddle the waters considerably. Honestly if you treat almost every appearance of him in the remake as a separate standalone entity it makes a lot more sense. He's extremely disconnected in tone and attitude to cloud and not uniformly evil like he was in AC.
 
A couple interesting tidbits I’ve discovered on Twitter:

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I can hear the SephiKura shippers squealing.
 
Broseph said:
People are already posting spoilers for this fucking game on Twitter?
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They haven't leaked the game yet, it's just covering stuff from the press demo addon that we won't get till the 21st I believe. Well that and all the various interviews have a Lot of interesting tidbits.

The most leaked thing was the trophy list currently. We are all likely going to have to avoid social media like the plague.

Especially as the whole game with side content is something like 100 hours.
 
Michael Wade said:
Completely unknown but based on the ultimana and such Im gonna say there's only one "real" sephiroth and one "fake" that's using him as a skinsuit. I think the "fake" one is the one from the original end and AC.

It doesn't help that in the remake a lot of it is hallucinations/past memories from AC cloud. which muddle the waters considerably. Honestly if you treat almost every appearance of him in the remake as a separate standalone entity it makes a lot more sense. He's extremely disconnected in tone and attitude to cloud and not uniformly evil like he was in AC.
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Wasn’t Sephiroth in the original game just Jenova wearing Sephiroth’s skin? I remember Sephiroth only actually appeared right at the end of the game in the lifestream.
 
Resunoit said:
A quote I remember from the gym is “I can’t get enough of those muscles” or something. I remember they were the overly gay bodybuilders obsessed with each others muscles. Then there was Andrea from the honeybee inn who I just found hilarious because he’s every gay stereotype in one character. I like faggot characters that are joke characters, just not faggots.
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Don't forget that creepy stalker Roche.
 
Resunoit said:
Wasn’t Sephiroth in the original game just Jenova wearing Sephiroth’s skin? I remember Sephiroth only actually appeared right at the end of the game in the lifestream.
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thats a popular theory, but Sephiroth was in full control of Jenova. he was controlling all the Jenova puppets that shapeshift as him while he was chilling in the lifestream
 
Resunoit said:
Wasn’t Sephiroth in the original game just Jenova wearing Sephiroth’s skin? I remember Sephiroth only actually appeared right at the end of the game in the lifestream.
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Yeah it was just pieces of her shape shifted to look like him. He didn't even technically kill aerith, he was frozen in a mako crystal until cloud gave him the black materia.

The question I guess is he still there in the remake?

@Resunoit it's actually not that simple. If I'm not mistaken Jenova legit kickstarted the insanity, and then they imply in some background materials that sephiroth eventually subsumed her influence and did it for himself but it's not ironclad in-game canon.
 
In the original game there are enough hints, and things in general are vague enough, that you could argue it was all Jenova. That Sephiroth died at Neibelheim, and when Jenova's head fell into the lifestream she used what was left of his body as a vessel since he had her cells in him.

But come on, Sephy is way too popular for that to be the case.
 
AlmightyMagichan said:
In the original game there are enough hints, and things in general are vague enough, that you could argue it was all Jenova. That Sephiroth died at Neibelheim, and when Jenova's head fell into the lifestream she used what was left of his body as a vessel since he had her cells in him.

But come on, Sephy is way too popular for that to be the case.
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The problem is that there's about 15 different renditions of the story (thanks to multiple official translations and butcherings of various games and movies) and Squenix acts like every single one of them is canon.

I was under the idea that Jenova was impersonating Sephiroth until you meet the real one at the Northern Cave
 
Dr. Geronimo said:
The problem is that there's about 15 different renditions of the story (thanks to multiple official translations and butcherings of various games and movies) and Squenix acts like every single one of them is canon.

I was under the idea that Jenova was impersonating Sephiroth until you meet the real one at the Northern Cave
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There are 5 versions of what happened at nibelheim yes. But there's only one major discrepancy.

Did cloud throw him into the reactor shaft or did he jump? Cloud and Zack believe he threw him, and a Turk spy from the ova and before Crisis saw him jump. Otherwise it isn't too crazy aside from genesis showing up in crisis core to egg sephiroth on. Very interested to see how rebirth tackles it, I wouldn't be surprised if they add even more twists.
 
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
In honor of the recent reveal regarding remake, I'd like to share this video with everyone, so that we can all temper our expectations and remember that...FF VII Remake was kinda mid TBH:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xOnuG9Y-LOs
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I mean, I didn’t have a problem with the game going its own route for the story, even though they probably should’ve been more clear about that from the get go.

Again though, I have very limited experience with this sort of story direction. Did the Kingdom Hearts series’s narrative really sour the stew in terms of these sorts of tales by Square-Enix games?
 
LightDragonman1 said:
Did the Kingdom Hearts series’s narrative really sour the stew in terms of these sorts of tales by Square-Enix games?
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It's not really the story that's the killer - but the amount of it.

Kingdom Hearts 3, you might think, would be the 3rd entry into the franchise or possibly you remember one or two unimportant spinoff games. There are 13 of these fucking things - spanning 17 years and on something like ~7 different consoles.

FF7 is much the same way - when you think of FF7 you just think of FF7 (PS1) but there was also Dirge of Cerebrus, Advent Children, Ever Crisis, Crisis Core, and now Remake and Rebirth spanning 25 years and still tweaking things around. Then there's Cloud/Sephiroth in Smash Brothers, in that other fighting game, in Kingdom Hearts, in whatever the fuck else they're in and it's just a huge mess to keep track of.

A good story is fine - but eventually it needs to end in a somewhat satisfactory way and if you're going to have a story run this long you need to be super careful about lore contradictions (and Nomura isn't) otherwise it feels messy.
 
A friendly reminder that Nomura is not the one who is the head writer of the VII remakes. That’s Kazushige Nojima, who is also the one who pushed for it to be more different in the first place.
 
The final trailer's been out for a few days, and I just wanna say that no matter what happens, the game gets major props from me for having Aerith put on sunglasses when she does her attack with Barrett.
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