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Today I'd be filled with dread if I heard "Netflix is making a FFT show".
>"Church bad"
>Ramza has gay feelings towards Delita
>Rafa "31 brave" Galthena is now a girlboss
>Reis will be race swapped into the African American ethnicity
>The plot is actually gonna make it look like a Game of Thrones rip-off rather than its own thing, even ignoring the whole alternative history/Arazlam perspective


Oh boy! I can't wait!
 
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>"Church bad"
>Ramza has gay feelings towards Delita
>Rafa "31 brave" Galthena is now a girlboss
>Reis is will be race swapped to the African American ethnicity
>The plot is actually gonna make it look like a Game of Thrones rip-off rather than its own thing, even ignoring the whole alternative history/Arazlam perspective


Oh boy! I can't wait!
Please my nigga, don't accidentally wish cast this shit into reality.
 
>"Church bad"
>Ramza has gay feelings towards Delita
>Rafa "31 brave" Galthena is now a girlboss
>Reis will be race swapped into the African American ethnicity
>The plot is actually gonna make it look like a Game of Thrones rip-off rather than its own thing, even ignoring the whole alternative history/Arazlam perspective


Oh boy! I can't wait!
the problem with this fear, is that Square is incredibly gaurded over their IP, oh sure THEY will whore out their IP like you wouldn't believe, but when they let other people touch it, they send in like 5 quality control niggas to watch over the shoulder of the retards using their property.
as an example, see the MTG Final Fantasy set, they made sure NO fuckery took place, and you know they wanted to.
They'd have like 3 or 4 lawyers and quality control fuckers and even the guy who wrote Tactics and did the art to just squat over there during production, for years, to make sure its up to what they want.
 
Actually, i don't even know why they didn't give us a "free camera" option, the buildings CONSTANTLY get in the way of what you are doing.
In the original it used to auto-swing the camera around so you'd be able to see your unit whose turn it was and as many other units as possible.

The remaster? Nope. Here's your healer. He's behind that building. It's annoying as fuck.
 
The remaster?
It's not even a remaster. The game was built from the ground up, they had lost the source code in it's entirety. Which boggles the mind as to why they would recreate the original game instead of remaking it.
I guess they will use this version as a base in the future to sell the same shit again but with 2D-HD graphics or whatever it could be. That's the only reason i can think of to remake this game and barely change it: keep the source code intact then later remaster it, reimagine it etc.
 
I thought it was cool how they added some new diologue for cloud when he fights the tactics bosses. Straight up explains why he's there.

he's a perfect copy of cloud and has nowhere to go back to.
 
FFT's plot is insanely convoluted.
Nah its not that deep.

Ultima was a Tranny that set up a religion and Ramza is the only person based enough to pull a Rowling and get on with TTD.

The only FF I've played to come close to the batshittery of FFT is X, and once you get your head around the "summoned dreams are real and also can retroactively make their own summoners real too" insanity it's not actually that complex. It's just stupid.
I have come to think that FFX might have one of the worst plots and characters of the entire series.

It certainly has some of the worst side cast. Lulu and Khimari can straight up be written out.
 
The only FF I've played to come close to the batshittery of FFT is X, and once you get your head around the "summoned dreams are real and also can retroactively make their own summoners real too" insanity it's not actually that complex. It's just stupid.
VIII, X, amd XIII was like watching a schizophrenic. You’d start with a halfway good mystery, and then ten minutes later you’re neck-deep in a lore about dream ghosts, pocket dimensions, and time travel.

“Fiends are just zombies who can’t move on”, cool, I’m with you. You got the Fayth, human popsicles who can project their dreams into reality like in Michael Crichton’s Sphere except then they say, “Oh by the way, there are a trillion other Fayth and they’re all just hallucinating a megalopolis into existence. Yu wanted his dead city back so he turned himself into a big irradiated fish. He’s not a Fayth, though. He's a fiend. He needs to trick someone else into being a Fayth / dreaming up his psoriasis whale.":stress:

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It certainly has some of the worst side cast. Lulu and Khimari can straight up be written out.
Brainlet take. Cutting Lulu only remotely makes sense if you think every character in the cast needs a game-spanning character arc or some do some pivotal action only they can for practical reasons. Lulu doesn't have either of those, but she adds to the group dynamics in a meaningful way. Imagine if Lulu (and Kimahri) weren't there. The party would consist of 3 kids, a dumbass, and a guy who keeps to himself. The group would have no one who could work a the "mature adult" to help keep the group functional.

Many scenes where she interacts with another party members would make less sense replacing her with someone else. Like when her and Wakka have a couple private discussions. Those talks only work because Wakka and Lulu are close and the young adults of the cast, feeling the need to look after Yuna and Tidus. Or the many talks Tidus and Lulu have over the game, where Lulu acts the "reasonable moderate" of Spira basically, not being fanatical about things like Wakka but still believing in the status quo, and she calmly explains things to Tidus so he'll act more appropriately, but in return this gets Tidus to think and question things that Lulu doesn't always have an answer for. It's notable how one of the only times she ever loses her cool is when Yunalesca reveals the whole truth at the end. You would expect something like that from Wakka, so it wouldn't draw much attention if he did it, but from Lulu it really underscores just how much the average person really held on to the false hope Yevon gave them.

She might not have a fancy personal arc that stands on its own, but she's important for helping make everyone else's characters stronger with how she interacts with them.

Kimahri actually isn't very important since he's too quiet and doesn't have any good relationship with the other characters outside really wanting to protect Yuna because of something that happened off-screen 10 years ago. Even so, I don't see how an FFX without Kimahri is nessicarily a better story. He doesn't detract from anything and there's a couple major scenes you'd have to write around.

In general, I think too many people are weirdly eager to cut major characters from JRPGs. It's like /v/ posters who take the whole joke about Tim Buckley working better with less words too seriously to where they make comics edits where they eventually cut it down to one panel without dialogue and act like they're improving it. I don't get why JRPGs in particular always get brainlets trying to insist half the cast is unimportant and could improve the game if they butchered the story down. You don't see this thinking with Western RPGs.
 
Yeah, if we’re grading on a curve X has one of the stronger casts. Everybody’s got a little emotional through-line that makes sense without a PhD.

Gameplay-wise they all plateau in the Calm Lands, the Limit Break gimmick outstayed it's welcome.
 
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Kimahri is as much about justifying blue magic in Spira as anything. He, and to some extent Auron, make a narrative point about actions versus words. FFX would be weaker without Hornless.
I like that out of all the cast, Kimahri already knows all the twists, he knows Jecht is Sin, he knows Auron is an Unsent, and he and his people know about the Grand Summoning.
He just keeps his mouth shut because its not his place to say.
 
Technically Lulu/Kimahri can be vital without necessarily making @Honka Honka Burning Love's point wrong. Characters who can be written out at the cost of a directionally worse cast dynamic is sort of like damning with faint praise. The issue is FFX has to go up against many impressive casts. Some casts which manage to have it all. I'd say 9 does better. 8 I've been too long without playing to say. 7 has its nigh pointless characters as optional ones at least, and we're starting to hit some technological barriers given how pioneering an effort it was for Square. 6 has a bigger cast so some being lost is more excusable. 4 and 5 being more or less memorable I think comes down to taste and technological disparity. 12 has the issue of making its Lulu/Kimahri into two of the main(er) characters. I see a sort of inchoate dosage dependency going on here so I think we can draw a strong correlative/causative trend.

But I agree with @Retarded Weeb when he says not everyone needs a big time arc. That isn't very organic writing, he's right about that, but at the same time we probably shouldn't give credit for generally just liking a character. Lulu has two big advantages that make her easy to like and if she didn't have them I think more people would question her purpose. That's how fickle mere likability can be. Weeb is also right that cast members need to be judged within their casts, and that a stronger ensemble dynamic really improves a game (I wasn't actually that much of an FF7 fan until I realized it was simple work to swap around cast members and still blast through the game, this massively improves the experience in too many ways to list).
 
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I agree with @Retarded Weeb when he says not everyone needs a big time arc. That isn't very organic writing, he's right about that, but at the same time we probably shouldn't give credit for generally just liking a character.
Not every needs an arc, but they should generally be around for a reason.

Everything Lulu does in terms of "guiding" Tidus is something Auron could be doing as someone who is an elder and knows everything. (and also fucking should be doing, because Auron is kind of a dickhead for just throwing Tidus into the situation with exactly zero preparations) and Khimari literally does nothing the entire plot except get bullied..beat up his bullies who then get slaughtered by Seymour 5 seconds later.

Lulu has two big advantages that make her easy to like
This is the only reason anyone remembers her to be frank. I can't name a single actual scene she was in where she did anything of real relevance to the plot.
 
8 I've been too long without playing to say. 7 has its nigh pointless characters as optional ones at least, and we're starting to hit some technological barriers given how pioneering an effort it was for Square. 6 has a bigger cast so some being lost is more excusable. 4 and 5 being more or less memorable I think comes down to taste and technological disparity. 12 has the issue of making its Lulu/Kimahri into two of the main(er) characters.
I tend to look back on 6 with fondness, mostly because you have to remember the WoR was bonus content and nearly every character still gets a side quest, even Gau visiting his dad’s Unabomber cabin. Everyone gets a little character beat in the ending, too.

Yuffie has her Wutai arc. Vincent’s lore dump with Hojo adds some texture.

9's a dud for me.

12 is like they tried to combine the freewheeling of 5 with the tightly written Tactics, and what came out was this Franken-game. Krile in 5 is a cute distraction; Penelo is excess baggage. Bartz is comic relief; Vaan is some random NPC who refuses to leave. They’re not bad, they just don’t belong in a grown-up world.
 
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I have come to think that FFX might have one of the worst plots and characters of the entire series.
Talk ya shit king. Let ya nuts hang.
9's a dud for me.
In terms of party and character arcs? Even people who don't like IX usually acknowledge that Vivi, Garnet, Steiner, and Zidane have absolutely stellar character arcs and side characters like Freya, Eiko, and Kuja have interesting roles to play. That's like saying that X has bad combat or V has a bad job system.
 
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