Opinion The Fallacy of Equal Knowledge

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“Maybe they’re just ignorant?” I’ve lost count of how many times I have heard this hopeful suggestion from students and colleagues trying to navigate ideological divides. It’s usually offered as a charitable way of trying to understand why someone doesn’t agree with a particular viewpoint on a controversial issue, often one related to identity or equality. It implies that the person would agree with the speaker if only they knew better. In some cases, that may in fact be the case. But its use as a default rationalization has turned it into something I call the fallacy of equal knowledge. It’s based in the unstated assumption that if we all had the same information, we’d all agree.

The difficulty of talking across political divides owes much to this assumption. I saw a clear example of it in the fall of 2020, while teaching a course in social problems. It was the semester following a summer of nationwide protests on the issue of race and policing. For weeks, my students and I had been discussing social ills from various perspectives, gradually building up trust. At one point, we found ourselves talking about law enforcement.

Given the timing of the course and the events of recent months, the death of George Floyd was on many people’s minds. Over the course of our discussion, I asked the class if they thought a reasonable person could view his killing solely through the lens of bad policing, not race. The poll I conducted suggested that about 60 percent said yes, they thought that this was possible.

I was surprised by their openness to this idea. But as the discussion unfolded, it became clear that several people in that group of 60 percent had something else in mind. Many assumed that an otherwise reasonable person could only hold this view if they didn’t yet understand that the reality of racism made it important—even necessary—to see Floyd’s death through a racial lens. This point is controversial, even within the black community, but the students assumed that, once informed, such a person would change his mind.

I ran the poll again. This time, I asked: could a reasonable person, with the same information you have, perceive the killing of George Floyd solely through the lens of bad policing and be unsure about whether it should also be seen through the lens of race? This time, the share of students answering yes dropped to 30 percent.

Assuming someone disagrees with a particular political position or claim because they’re ignorant is a challenge I encounter frequently. By way of context, much of my job involves facilitating conversations about topics that make people uncomfortable. The fallacy of equal knowledge tends to emerge among people used to thinking in a specific way about hot-button political topics. When they consider a view such as opposition to affirmative action, the idea that gender-dysphoric children may be influenced by peers, or even opposition to Covid mandates, they suggest that ignorance could explain such thinking.

However, when treated as a default supposition, this outlook can stand in the way of constructive engagement. It is grounded in the often-false assumption that what divides people on controversial social issues is misinformation. It then creates the idea that giving those with opposing views more or better information must be the solution.

To be clear, sometimes ignorance is a real obstacle. But recognizing that point doesn’t mean believing that all differences on controversial questions can be solved by simply getting everyone on the same page with respect to what they know about the world. No one likes to be treated—or condescended to—as though they simply don’t know any better, but the fallacy of equal knowledge does just that. It fails to take opposing values seriously.

Unfortunately, the notion is pervasive. The vast majority of traditional diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) training programs are based on it. One DEI consulting firm states on its website that participants will, on completion of the course, “notice how their unconscious biases have been impacting their interactions with others”—this despite research on unconscious bias showing that it does not consistently predict of problematic behavior. In fact, because of this inconsistency, the British government phased unconscious bias training out of its programming just over a year ago.

Second, the fallacy of equal knowledge also underpins certain curricula on empathy and social and emotional learning (SEL). One of the biggest firms in the world of SEL tweeted last year, “We hold fast to the belief that our work must actively contribute to antiracism.” But the concept of antiracism is itself infused with particular assumptions about how the world works—for example, that the right way to solve social problems is to see them through the lens of race.

Ultimately, these programs are based in the assumption that, by imparting information about the importance of unconscious bias and the need to adopt an antiracist stance, previously reluctant people will see the error of their ways. But this commits the fallacy of equal knowledge by assuming that the same information will lead people to the same position on these issues.

This fallacy may partially explain why such programming is so fraught. Strong evidence suggests that DEI training doesn’t yield positive results and can even be counterproductive and generate resentment. Better options would focus on building a stronger workplace with open communication, while respecting a variety of viewpoints.

The upshot is missing information isn’t always what makes people disagree. When we pretend that it is, we make it even harder to communicate across our political and ideological differences.

Ilana Redstone is an associate professor of sociology at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, the president of the Mill Center for the Advancement of Critical Thinking, and a faculty fellow at Heterodox Academy.
 
It’s based in the unstated assumption that if we all had the same information, we’d all agree.
I think this is an actual symptom of narcissism (clinical narcissism not internet narcissism). He disagrees with me, so he must not understand what I'm saying because if he understood, then he would agree with me.

This point is controversial, even within the black community, but the students assumed that, once informed, such a person would change his mind.
I love that the author literally wrote that even black people disagree that it was "100%" racism, and the author didn't even blink or consider what this meant.
 
Seems like a pretty even-handed approach to the issue, and in my experience it's a common thing. A lot of people really can't imagine that you can understand the facts and disagree about the response to those facts. What that says about the depth of their thinking is unflattering.
 
Maybe they’re just ignorant?” I’ve lost count of how many times I have heard this hopeful suggestion from students and colleagues trying to navigate ideological divides. It’s usually offered as a charitable way of trying to understand why someone doesn’t agree

The charitable way would be asking "Maybe I'm just ignorant?"
 
So I looked at her twitter and she mentioned this PDF that she was offering on her google drive.

This admission scale is giving people points on the basis of race, right?

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Given the timing of the course and the events of recent months, the death of George Floyd was on many people’s minds. Over the course of our discussion, I asked the class if they thought a reasonable person could view his killing solely through the lens of bad policing, not race.

Which strike by the police officer was due to the presumption that Kelly Thomas was Black?
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We can review the video frame by frame and list the injuries per the autopsy. Just tell me what injury was due to the officer thinking Kelly Thomas was Black?

My dream is that this professor dies in a school shooting. I would wake up and smile if I had such a dream.
 
The only difference race made to the floyd case is that anyone gave a fuck about it because he's black.

Had he been nearly any other race (and specially if white) it wouldn't even make the news, or maybe it would but under the headline "asian/latino/white tweaker dies (not killed) over a fake $20 bill". Sure the video would make the rounds on the internet but did that make any difference with the simon-says shooting? nope. Even if in this case chauvin was also black the neocons would say "well he was white trash and based black cop was doing his job so idgaf".

How I know that? because tweakers die all the time at the hands of cops and nobody gives a fuck. Which also goes to show how orchestrated the whole response to the case was. The news could've memoryholed it, social media megacorps could've erased it like they erase wrongthink all the time. But this was bad for trump, and they don't like trump mostly because his fuckery with china was bad business for these corporations.
A lot of people really can't imagine that you can understand the facts and disagree about the response to those facts.
Because most people these days don't understand things anymore, they just repeat whatever political opinion somebody else made and told them to repeat.
 
Had he been nearly any other race (and specially if white) it wouldn't even make the news
You don't have to guess, his name was Tony Timpa.
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Tony Timpa was 32 years old when he died in custody of Dallas police officers in August 2016. Like Floyd, Tony Timpa was pinned face down to the ground, though Timpa was pinned for more than 14 minutes with an officer’s knee in the center of his back, not near his neck.

He was suffering from a mental-health breakdown, and he had called 911 asking for help.

There was no national uproar after Timpa’s death. No national cries for justice and reform. The city of Dallas paid no settlement to Timpa’s family. A grand jury indicted three of the Dallas officers on misdemeanor deadly conduct charges, but the district attorney dismissed them. The civil case is on appeal after the judge granted summary judgement to the defense.

“It tears me up. We’re all human,” Vicki Timpa told National Review when asked about the disparity in the nation’s reaction to Floyd’s case compared with her son’s. “We all deserve the civil rights. And Tony suffered horribly, and everybody knows it.”
 
I asked the class if they thought a reasonable person could view his killing solely through the lens of bad policing, not race.

I ran the poll again. This time, I asked: could a reasonable person, with the same information you have, perceive the killing of George Floyd solely through the lens of bad policing and be unsure about whether it should also be seen through the lens of race?

Those aren't the same question. I'm not sure if it's due to how the article is written or the prof just being disingenuous in their teaching methods.

First one is "can it be viewed as bad policing without taking race as a factor?"

Second is about certainty as whether it should be taken as a factor. After many people had become outspoken about how it is a factor. I doubt many people wanted to be yelled at for being bigots, racists, etc.

That's not exactly a double blind study into how potential knowledge can change one's opinion.
 
Ultimately, these programs are based in the assumption that, by imparting information about the importance of unconscious bias and the need to adopt an antiracist stance, previously reluctant people will see the error of their ways. But this commits the fallacy of equal knowledge by assuming that the same information will lead people to the same position on these issues.

This fallacy may partially explain why such programming is so fraught. Strong evidence suggests that DEI training doesn’t yield positive results and can even be counterproductive and generate resentment. Better options would focus on building a stronger workplace with open communication, while respecting a variety of viewpoints.

The upshot is missing information isn’t always what makes people disagree. When we pretend that it is, we make it even harder to communicate across our political and ideological differences.
In other words, the suppositions which form the basis of DEI training are not as valid as previously thought by the people who are pushing it. This lady is a hair's breadth away from the realization that the politically motivated nonsense she regurgitates is predicated upon faulty assumptions and is thus incorrect. To be so close to revelation but to pull back at the last minute. Tragic.
 
I think this is an actual symptom of narcissism (clinical narcissism not internet narcissism). He disagrees with me, so he must not understand what I'm saying because if he understood, then he would agree with me.
Yep. There's also the further (implicit and narcissistic) assumption that you're always the one with the better information, and that it's never vice versa. (Good examples of when it was indeed vice versa for the lefties were the Nick Sandman and Rittenhouse cases. The videos and facts were there for anyone to see, and the outcomes of the trials were unsurprising and basically foregone conclusions for anyone that actually had the better information. And yet there were an infuriating number of 'more informed than thou' lefty types that were flabbergasted that the cases ended the way they did.)

Those aren't the same question. I'm not sure if it's due to how the article is written or the prof just being disingenuous in their teaching methods.

First one is "can it be viewed as bad policing without taking race as a factor?"

Second is about certainty as whether it should be taken as a factor. After many people had become outspoken about how it is a factor. I doubt many people wanted to be yelled at for being bigots, racists, etc.

That's not exactly a double blind study into how potential knowledge can change one's opinion.
Wait, are you telling me that Ilana Redstone the sociologist doesn't understand statistics and proper experiment design? Naww, say it ain't so!
 
I asked the class if they thought a reasonable person could view [George Floyd's death] solely through the lens of bad policing, not race.
A reasonable person will refer to the autopsy report and view his death as drug overdose or perhaps suicide.

The prof should have asked the class if they though a reasonable person would have even cared if Floyd weren't a nigger.
 
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