The Dating Pool Dropouts - They've got the dream, but not the drive.

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The Dating Pool Dropouts

Young men today feel they must be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches downstairs to get a girlfriend—so many have given up trying.


By Olivia Reingold

September 13, 2023


“Are you religious?”

The question made Jammall squirm. The answer was no, but he could tell his date wanted it to be yes. And after the hour-long drive to get here, to a Caribbean restaurant in Orlando, Florida, he could tell it wasn’t working.

“I think we should just be friends,” the 36-year-old security guard remembers telling the girl he had dinner with last month after they met on Facebook.

That was his first date in three years. He says he once went six months without getting a single match on a dating app, even though he pays $30 in monthly fees between OkCupid, Bumble, and Hinge. If you count high school, when he went to the movies with a classmate, Jammall says he’s been on a total of three dates his entire life.

And now, driving home from his date, it hit him like a ton of bricks: Why do I even do this at all?

He walked into his apartment near Cape Canaveral, greeted the cats, and slumped down on his couch.

“I’m so far out of the loop,” he told me he realized at the time. “Compared to my peers, who have gone out with women, and know how to interact with them, I’m too far gone. I can’t learn that stuff.”

He trails off, then adds: “I’m just not going to try anymore. It’s not worth it.”

Jammall, who asked me to conceal his last name to protect his reputation at work, is one of a growing number of young men who are withdrawing from the dating pool. More than six in ten men aged 18 to 29 are now single, up from about five in ten in 2019, according to data from Pew Research Center. Respondents give a range of reasons for their singlehood, including having “more important priorities,” the fact they “just like being single,” or that they’ve gotten “too old” to keep trying.

But part of it also boils down to this: it’s hard for men to find partners at a moment when women are outpacing them both at school and work. Young women now hold 1.6 million more college degrees than men, and in a growing number of cities, including Los Angeles, Washington D.C., and New York, they make as much as—or more than—their male counterparts. And even if they become mothers, odds are four in ten will become the breadwinners of their households.

“What discourages me so much is that most of the women that I’ve seen on dating sites, they want a man making as much as them and they’re making upwards of like, $100,000,” said Jammall, who tells me he makes $55,000 a year.

“A lot of men are checking out,” he adds. “We’re just tired. We’re just tired of being told that we don’t measure up either physically or financially.”

I found Jammall on the online Reddit community r/TrueUnpopularOpinion, where men often vent about the dating scene. On another subreddit, r/PurplePillDebate, male commenters bemoan that they’re held to the “666 rule,” which mandates they be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches—or more—downstairs. (Jammall describes himself as a “straitlaced guy” who is 5-feet-5-inches tall.)

The men I spoke with—ranging from ages 17 to 33 and living in rural New Jersey to Austin, Texas—said they felt overlooked in a competitive dating market, where women often list salary requirements and height preferences on their profiles.

To see if things were as bad as they claimed, I joined two major dating platforms—Tinder and Hinge—and posed as a hip, 30-year-old business owner with a full head of hair and a degree from NYU. A few swipes in, I spotted a busty blonde leaning over in a halter dress with the caption, “Together we could find out if you’re lying about your height.”

Then, a 22-year-old, captured in a selfie at her work cubicle with her cleavage resting on her desk, wrote: “Don’t superlike me if ur ugly I already have a lot going on.”

Another woman, a five-feet-two-inch bombshell named Ashly, warned men: “If you [are] one of those ‘split the check’ or not wealthy. . . NEXT.”

That financial pressure is what screws men over most, said Jess Carbino, the former in-house sociologist for Tinder and Bumble.

“The traditional markers of adulthood like buying a home, completing college, and getting married, are all becoming far harder to achieve,” Carbino said. “Many men perceive themselves to be far less marriageable. And in turn, many women perceive them to be less marriageable, too.”

She says it’s never been easy to be Joe Average on the dating market but things are rougher now that the average man’s salary, which hovers just above $61,000 in the U.S., is hardly enough to afford rent in most major American cities. Yet still, many women hold out for men who make not just as much or more than they do, but are also wildly attractive.

While the sexual revolution freed women from depending on men for income or stability, it also means they can privilege more “frivolous” qualities in a mate, says Rob Henderson, a psychology PhD with a Substack on social mores.

“People used to care a bit more deeply about moral character and hard work, and whether the person was an ethical and upstanding citizen,” he tells me. “And now, you don’t have to worry about that quite as much. And you can sort of focus on things that are just, like, more immediate, like attraction.”

The result? Men at the tip-top of the dating pool get everything. And the men who don’t have it all get nothing.

But even the alphas are feeling the squeeze.

One New York City–based psychologist, David Gordon, says many of the high-powered men he treats—including doctors, lawyers, and financiers—fret over their ability to attract a woman, despite their enviable salaries or careers.

“It’s kind of sad or tragic, but some guys will look at their bank accounts, stocks, or credit score every day, as if it’s some sort of measure of their value,” he says. “We can look at the numbers, and I’m like, ‘Dude, looks pretty good to me.’ ”

Still, he says, “There’s this anxiety around—is this enough?”


That’s the insecurity that keeps Santiago, a 25-year-old from Albuquerque, New Mexico, up at night. The last time he dated anyone was in 2021—but that ended when he suspected she was cheating on him. Now, with the wounds still raw, he fears he’s “not worthy” of a girlfriend anymore.

“After being depressed for so long, I feel like it’s a handicap,” says Santiago, who works at a department store and has been on one date only since his breakup. “It makes me feel like, ‘Oh, he’s damaged goods.’ ”

And then there’s the problem of not knowing how to approach a woman. He suspects his coworker might have a crush on him, and yet he worries that one wrong move and he’ll be labeled “creepy.”

It’s a common worry for men in the post–#MeToo era. In a 2016 study, over 95 percent of respondents replied that men were much more likely to be “creepy people” than women. One twentysomething on Reddit, who wanted to ask out an employee at his local pet store, groaned that men are “expected to be the hunters but are shunned for doing so in public unless it’s on a stupid app.”

So Santiago does nothing.

“I’m a very insecure person—I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble or break their boundaries,” said the third-generation Mexican American.

And then there’s the cost of romance. The average date in the U.S. comes with a $159 price tag, which costs more than ten hours of work for those making a $15 hourly wage. It started getting so expensive for one bachelor, a 26-year-old banker, that he moved from Los Angeles, where rent averages around $3,000, to an apartment in Appalachia, where he and a friend now pay $500 each a month.

“I just found it’s a lot of time, and frankly, money,” he says about dating back West. “We’re risking so much for so little.”

But the dating scene in Appalachia, he says, is “not good” either, partly because he’s working remotely.

“Everyone is double my age and lives in, like, the Midwest. There’s just none of that cohesion or fun. The world has changed.”


Some men insist they haven’t checked out of dating. Rather, they have virtual girlfriends who satisfy all their needs.

Over the past few years, start-ups like Replika, Character.ai, and Inflection AI, have rolled out a universe of virtual companions that users can customize to meet their every desire. One alluring chatbot, Eva AI, woos customers with the promise: “Build relationship and intimacy on your terms.” And one influencer, Caryn Marjorie, says she created an AI version of herself—so far with more than 18,000 “boyfriends”—to “cure loneliness.”

And then there are the real-life sirens of OnlyFans, where its 240 million users can purchase the “girlfriend experience,” and get a constant stream of sexts and loving messages in return for cold, hard cash.

Aella, a top OnlyFans performer who makes $100,000 on “a good month,” says a large part of her job is doting upon her admirers like a lover would, listening to them moan about their tough days or absent girlfriends.

“It turns out the thing that men want is not just sex,” she told The Free Press. “They want sex with a woman that likes them.”

Only a minority of her customers are interested in just physical pleasure, she says. An overwhelming majority reach out to her for companionship, or simply to feel desired by a woman. A “big part” of her job, she says, is tending to men who are lonely.

“An important component to a sexual dynamic is to feel valued,” she told me.

Ethan King, a therapist who “treats 90 percent men” in Austin, Texas, says he often has to convince clients to look beyond the girls they see in porn.

“People say they’re totally happy with their porn girlfriend,” he says. “They’re like, ‘It’s too risky. I’d just rather be online.’ ”

But Ian Soltes, a 33-year-old overnight gas station attendant in Bridgeport, Connecticut, doesn’t want to look past his online “friend with benefits.”

He says he first met his online girlfriend on GameFAQs, a video gaming website that hosts message boards, when he was 13 or 14. They play video games together and message each other all day long (he told me he sent her a “hug emoji” during our interview).

“She has been more than willing to be very close and intimate with me online,” he said. “So any sexual urge I’ve had has been handled by that.”

There’s just one problem: they’ve never met in person or spoken on the phone. Soltes said she can’t because she’s mute.

“I’m pretty convinced it’s a lie,” he admitted. “But at the same time, if I challenge her on it, what’s going to happen? I’m going to find out the one person I’ve been close friends with for decades now is a guy? I don’t want to say I already know that, ’cause I don’t.”

He stumbles to find the right words.

“I’d just be losing a close friend, and I don’t want to risk that.”

The U.S. marriage rate is the lowest it’s been in over a century, with a quarter of 40-year-olds having never married (in 1980, only 6 percent of adults fell into that camp). It’s a trend that continues even though research shows married people are happier.

Americans today “discourage commitment now,” says Steven Mosher, the lead demographer at the Population Research Institute. “The expectation 50 years ago was that everyone would eventually get married and have children. Now, that expectation is gone.”

Already, an increasing number of women are going it alone as mothers, freezing their eggs and using sperm donors to procreate. At some point in the future, Mosher says the family—“the fundamental unit of society”—could completely break down. “We’re going to have children born from sperm donors, with no fathers, eggs and embryos frozen suspended indefinitely until someone wants to add a child to her life.

“This is not a happy future for most of humanity.”

Jon Birger worries about the future, too. Not just for men but for women, who he says aren’t being served by the current dating dynamic—or dating apps, which about half of American “never married” adults say they’ve used at some point.

“Their business goal is to retain users,” says Birger of apps like Tinder that want daters to keep searching for love. The day you settle down is the day their profits die.

His advice to America’s young women is to get off the apps and try “mixed-collar dating.”

“When college-educated women restrict their dating pool to college-educated men, they are effectively limiting themselves to a too-small dating pool,” said Birger, the author of Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game. “And if you exclude firemen, electricians, plumbers, and other folks that don’t have a college degree, you may be excluding people that you would actually really click with romantically.”

Jammall, the security guard in Florida, says he is open to dating someone more educated or successful than he is, and he believes he could bring a lot to the table. Sure, he doesn’t have a million dollars, but he wants to do “the little things,” like cook dinner for his partner and leave love notes around the house. “I’m trustworthy, loyal, and very direct. I’m also very protective, and I’m not afraid to try new things.”

But still, he knows that many women toggle their apps so that men like him—those without a bachelor’s degree, without a six-figure salary—never appear on their feeds.

And he says they’re “missing out” on a lot of good guys.

“The problem isn’t that I don’t have anything to offer someone—I do,” he says. “But I can’t even get my foot in the door. And if they don’t talk to me, what can I do?”
 
This article is the latest vindication of F. Roger Devlin's these in Sexual Utopia in Power positing that female hypergamy means the sexual revolution does not mean promiscuity for everyone, but only a certain subset of men. This begets the "bare branch" phenomenon of droves of men with no prospect for marriage, a demographic collapse because marriage and child rearing plummets. I cannot recommend this tract enough, although it was written before things like OnlyFans.

And then there are the real-life sirens of OnlyFans, where its 240 million users can purchase the “girlfriend experience,” and get a constant stream of sexts and loving messages in return for cold, hard cash.

Aella, a top OnlyFans performer who makes $100,000 on “a good month,” says a large part of her job is doting upon her admirers like a lover would, listening to them moan about their tough days or absent girlfriends.

“It turns out the thing that men want is not just sex,” she told The Free Press. “They want sex with a woman that likes them.”

Only a minority of her customers are interested in just physical pleasure, she says. An overwhelming majority reach out to her for companionship, or simply to feel desired by a woman. A “big part” of her job, she says, is tending to men who are lonely.
Prostitution is a destructive social vice that begets many ills and has been illegal for very good reason. The same rationale should apply not only to porn but especially to onlyfans. It will be very hard to get the genie back in the bottle, especially with so many buying into the idea that "sex work is work" and a woman fucking her vagina with vibrators and dildoes while pretending to be someone's girlfriend is "empowering."

I do not understand the cognitive dissonance and willful ignorance necessary for one to blank out the obvious fact that the girlfriend experience is pay for play and these women despise their paypigs. But I have never understood the appeal of strippers either for much the same reason.
There’s just one problem: they’ve never met in person or spoken on the phone. Soltes said she can’t because she’s mute.
🎶🎵Troon, troon, troon your boat.... it is as obvious as can be... Certainly, certainly that she is a actually a he.🎵🎶
This article was already posted. Generated like 15 pages of salty rants.
I cannot find it. I remember a very similar article talking about some Amazon employee who was socially maladjusted in New York who decided to move to Seattle all place, compounding his disadvantages with the Seattle Freeze.
 
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Jammall, the security guard in Florida, says he is open to dating someone more educated or successful than he is, and he believes he could bring a lot to the table. Sure, he doesn’t have a million dollars, but he wants to do “the little things,” like cook dinner for his partner and leave love notes around the house. “I’m trustworthy, loyal, and very direct. I’m also very protective, and I’m not afraid to try new things.”
Jammall my brother in Christ those are traits that men find valuable. And in the case of directness, women actually find repellant. Stop evaluating women with a male lens. This is the first step on the road to truth.
 
Yeah, it’s very dependent on where you work, you know best what the specs of your workplace are. As @George Floyd Sneed says above the ‘friends of friends’ thing is probably best overall but that’s dependent on how sane and functional your family and friends are.
I just don’t know how people meet people in real life these days. Church? Community? Not much of any of that left.
I hate the idea of dating apps.
I have seen that considered as a factor as to why dating has also gone down.
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Dating apps give everyone the illusion of choice, and we weren't built for it.
 
Meeting girls who are friends of your friends or their wife/girlfriend or family members will continue to be the best way to meet girls. Dating apps are poison and the workplace is all dependent on if she’s going to run to HR or not. Don’t be afraid to lean into friends and family.
Not to mention if you work at a small company you don't want to shit where you eat. Small companies are the only companies that treat their employees as human beings. They are also generally less pozzed than Publicly traded corporations.
 
Whaaaaat? Seriously? Don’t people just go for a coffee or a walk any more?
They exist, but they're few and far between. All the boss bitch shit gets girls expecting a Michelin restaurant and a new pair of shoes or something; and that's just the first meeting. And I only bring up the shoes thing, because I had a date end abruptly when I wasn't taking the hint about how nice this pair of shoes are and wasn't ready to open my wallet for someone I literally met maybe 2 hours ago (and yes, we were doing a walk when we went by a store).
 
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They exist, but they're few and far between. All the boss bitch shit gets girls expecting a Michelin restaurant and a new pair of shoes or something; and that's just the first meeting. And I only bring up the shoes thing, because I had a date end abruptly when I wasn't taking the hint about how nice this pair of shoes are and wasn't ready to open my wallet for someone I literally met maybe 2 hours ago.
Wtf? That’s insane. So people are also dating as a way of getting stuff bought, or as a shit test? You dodged a bullet.
Back when I was single, the expectation was something like ‘find a nice ish pub. Pay for one round each.’ If you liked each other you might then go to the cinema or something. Maybe one would get the tickets while other other got the popcorn. The prevailing cultural ‘thing’ then was to split the bill. I would have felt really uncomfortable with a big expensive meal, and a guy paying. It kind of creates an obligation where there should be none. The idea is getting to know each other.
There are good women out there who would be horrified at such behaviour - don’t give up!
 
They exist, but they're few and far between. All the boss bitch shit gets girls expecting a Michelin restaurant and a new pair of shoes or something; and that's just the first meeting. And I only bring up the shoes thing, because I had a date end abruptly when I wasn't taking the hint about how nice this pair of shoes are and wasn't ready to open my wallet for someone I literally met maybe 2 hours ago (and yes, we were doing a walk when we went by a store).
Yeah. They want to be treated like they're already your wife without performing any of the wifely duties. And chances are they're never going to contact you again regardless. A majority of modern women want to be looked at as wives but prostitute themselves like whores. It's insane.
 
Who the hell is paying for dating apps?
Dudes desperate enough to think “super likes” will move themselves to the front of the line for a fat chick that applied five filters to her photos.
There are good women out there who would be horrified at such behaviour - don’t give up!
I agree but most of them get snatched up at an early age too. From my observations, the best “marriage material” girls were already engaged before they graduated college. The quantity of these women drop off a cliff by about 25. That’s because if they’re not engaged by then, they’ve spent too many years doing hookups and are now jaded thots. Men and women weren’t designed to pump and dump dozens of times.
 
Prostitution is a destructive social vice that begets many ills and has been illegal for very good reason.
Wrong, prostitution (real one, not e-girls) is a service that covers a need just like any other. It has the added benefits of ending inceldom and de-sanctinfying sex so that guys don't think they're worthless because they're unnatractive. This weird almost puritanical view of sex as something sacred but also as the way to build one's self-esteem is something that only creates fucked up people with complexes like the aforementioned incels.
 
You can buy sex, you can't buy love. The false smile plastered on her lips wouldn't hide the disgust in her eyes.
 
Some of this is self imposed. I have 2 really good friends, they're great guys. But they are not the best looking and don't have the personality to overcome that. They constantly go after 8-10 women and get depressed when they are turned down. They won't date on their level because they want a hot, sexy girlfriend.

If you are a 5 in looks and aren't rich you are going to have to settle for skinny butterface or chubby with pretty face. Before internet porn and social media most people knew this. Now everyone wants to be with the hottest, tallest, or richest. People need to set their expectations on realistic.
Dude even skinny butter faces do reasonably well.

There are SO MANY fat chicks that being a sub 25 BMI instantly makes you a 7/10 if you're not horrific looking

No such thing as chubby with a pretty face in my book. 99% of the time a chubby body means a chubby face too.
Once again I'm blown away by how grotesquely pathetic the parasocial world is. Niggercattle paying to message some whore with a thousand followers who 100% never even see their messages themselves. Do they believe they talk to Bezos when they message Amazon support too?

The above is old news though. Knowingly sexting with a faggot catfish even though you're straight, however, is a new one. :story:

If you can't get laid then jack off to free porn and buy a hooker every now and then. It's really that simple. You get social gratification from friends. There's nothing a woman can give you, besides sex, that male friendship can't.
Well..... Shit..... Not a horrific outcome to be honest
Yeah. They want to be treated like they're already your wife without performing any of the wifely duties. And chances are they're never going to contact you again regardless. A majority of modern women want to be looked at as wives but prostitute themselves like whores. It's insane.
Dude if a girl has someone buy them a pair of shoes then ghosts the guy deserves to haul her to small claims court
Who the hell is paying for dating apps?
A gigantic amount of men
Dudes desperate enough to think “super likes” will move themselves to the front of the line for a fat chick that applied five filters to her photos.

I agree but most of them get snatched up at an early age too. From my observations, the best “marriage material” girls were already engaged before they graduated college. The quantity of these women drop off a cliff by about 25. That’s because if they’re not engaged by then, they’ve spent too many years doing hookups and are now jaded thots. Men and women weren’t designed to pump and dump dozens of times.
So true.

I've met a handful of people who found their spouses after 25/college/grad school. I'm talking less than 15 in my entire life.
 
Young men today feel they must be six feet tall, ..., and have six inches downstairs to get a girlfriend—so many have given up trying.
I'm roughly over 2" above both requirements, but six figures seems so distant, it's hard to motivate myself out of a bad position when there's no one I can really unwind with.
 
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I want to be validated
There's his issue, instead of seeking validation from others he needs to work on becoming his own mental point of origin and realize that the only validation you need comes from you and your actions. Every guy has this problem where they need others to recognize how "good" they are and that's what's causing their anguish and if only people knew how "good" a person you are you wouldn't have this issue. Get over yourself and start having fun, life is better than what you see on a screen but you have to live it.
 
Damn, you simps feed hoes like that?
Inflation has caused the cost to dine out to skyrocket.
In expensive coastal markets a DQP from McD's used to cost 12 bucks.
Now it's closer to 20.
A meal out for 2 will now easily hit $120 at a decent casual place.
Fuck Joe Biden.
 
Some of this is self imposed. I have 2 really good friends, they're great guys. But they are not the best looking and don't have the personality to overcome that. They constantly go after 8-10 women and get depressed when they are turned down. They won't date on their level because they want a hot, sexy girlfriend.

If you are a 5 in looks and aren't rich you are going to have to settle for skinny butterface or chubby with pretty face. Before internet porn and social media most people knew this. Now everyone wants to be with the hottest, tallest, or richest. People need to set their expectations on realistic.
Even the butterfaces and chubs have overly-inflated expectations and/or are chasing Chad Thundercock-McMoney.

The underlying subtext I'm getting from all of these articles is that non-chad men shouldn't just aim lower, but just scrape from the bottom of the barrel. And if that means wifeing up a single mother, an obese beastie or a literal retard, then so be it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see future articles extolling the virtues of incels hooking up with troons. Just another layover on the neverending Clown World flight.
 
There's his issue, instead of seeking validation from others he needs to work on becoming his own mental point of origin and realize that the only validation you need comes from you and your actions. Every guy has this problem where they need others to recognize how "good" they are and that's what's causing their anguish and if only people knew how "good" a person you are you wouldn't have this issue. Get over yourself and start having fun, life is better than what you see on a screen but you have to live it.
you can't cope out the intrinsic need to be valued and appreciated by other people
 
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