The Dating Pool Dropouts - They've got the dream, but not the drive.

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The Dating Pool Dropouts

Young men today feel they must be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches downstairs to get a girlfriend—so many have given up trying.


By Olivia Reingold

September 13, 2023


“Are you religious?”

The question made Jammall squirm. The answer was no, but he could tell his date wanted it to be yes. And after the hour-long drive to get here, to a Caribbean restaurant in Orlando, Florida, he could tell it wasn’t working.

“I think we should just be friends,” the 36-year-old security guard remembers telling the girl he had dinner with last month after they met on Facebook.

That was his first date in three years. He says he once went six months without getting a single match on a dating app, even though he pays $30 in monthly fees between OkCupid, Bumble, and Hinge. If you count high school, when he went to the movies with a classmate, Jammall says he’s been on a total of three dates his entire life.

And now, driving home from his date, it hit him like a ton of bricks: Why do I even do this at all?

He walked into his apartment near Cape Canaveral, greeted the cats, and slumped down on his couch.

“I’m so far out of the loop,” he told me he realized at the time. “Compared to my peers, who have gone out with women, and know how to interact with them, I’m too far gone. I can’t learn that stuff.”

He trails off, then adds: “I’m just not going to try anymore. It’s not worth it.”

Jammall, who asked me to conceal his last name to protect his reputation at work, is one of a growing number of young men who are withdrawing from the dating pool. More than six in ten men aged 18 to 29 are now single, up from about five in ten in 2019, according to data from Pew Research Center. Respondents give a range of reasons for their singlehood, including having “more important priorities,” the fact they “just like being single,” or that they’ve gotten “too old” to keep trying.

But part of it also boils down to this: it’s hard for men to find partners at a moment when women are outpacing them both at school and work. Young women now hold 1.6 million more college degrees than men, and in a growing number of cities, including Los Angeles, Washington D.C., and New York, they make as much as—or more than—their male counterparts. And even if they become mothers, odds are four in ten will become the breadwinners of their households.

“What discourages me so much is that most of the women that I’ve seen on dating sites, they want a man making as much as them and they’re making upwards of like, $100,000,” said Jammall, who tells me he makes $55,000 a year.

“A lot of men are checking out,” he adds. “We’re just tired. We’re just tired of being told that we don’t measure up either physically or financially.”

I found Jammall on the online Reddit community r/TrueUnpopularOpinion, where men often vent about the dating scene. On another subreddit, r/PurplePillDebate, male commenters bemoan that they’re held to the “666 rule,” which mandates they be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches—or more—downstairs. (Jammall describes himself as a “straitlaced guy” who is 5-feet-5-inches tall.)

The men I spoke with—ranging from ages 17 to 33 and living in rural New Jersey to Austin, Texas—said they felt overlooked in a competitive dating market, where women often list salary requirements and height preferences on their profiles.

To see if things were as bad as they claimed, I joined two major dating platforms—Tinder and Hinge—and posed as a hip, 30-year-old business owner with a full head of hair and a degree from NYU. A few swipes in, I spotted a busty blonde leaning over in a halter dress with the caption, “Together we could find out if you’re lying about your height.”

Then, a 22-year-old, captured in a selfie at her work cubicle with her cleavage resting on her desk, wrote: “Don’t superlike me if ur ugly I already have a lot going on.”

Another woman, a five-feet-two-inch bombshell named Ashly, warned men: “If you [are] one of those ‘split the check’ or not wealthy. . . NEXT.”

That financial pressure is what screws men over most, said Jess Carbino, the former in-house sociologist for Tinder and Bumble.

“The traditional markers of adulthood like buying a home, completing college, and getting married, are all becoming far harder to achieve,” Carbino said. “Many men perceive themselves to be far less marriageable. And in turn, many women perceive them to be less marriageable, too.”

She says it’s never been easy to be Joe Average on the dating market but things are rougher now that the average man’s salary, which hovers just above $61,000 in the U.S., is hardly enough to afford rent in most major American cities. Yet still, many women hold out for men who make not just as much or more than they do, but are also wildly attractive.

While the sexual revolution freed women from depending on men for income or stability, it also means they can privilege more “frivolous” qualities in a mate, says Rob Henderson, a psychology PhD with a Substack on social mores.

“People used to care a bit more deeply about moral character and hard work, and whether the person was an ethical and upstanding citizen,” he tells me. “And now, you don’t have to worry about that quite as much. And you can sort of focus on things that are just, like, more immediate, like attraction.”

The result? Men at the tip-top of the dating pool get everything. And the men who don’t have it all get nothing.

But even the alphas are feeling the squeeze.

One New York City–based psychologist, David Gordon, says many of the high-powered men he treats—including doctors, lawyers, and financiers—fret over their ability to attract a woman, despite their enviable salaries or careers.

“It’s kind of sad or tragic, but some guys will look at their bank accounts, stocks, or credit score every day, as if it’s some sort of measure of their value,” he says. “We can look at the numbers, and I’m like, ‘Dude, looks pretty good to me.’ ”

Still, he says, “There’s this anxiety around—is this enough?”


That’s the insecurity that keeps Santiago, a 25-year-old from Albuquerque, New Mexico, up at night. The last time he dated anyone was in 2021—but that ended when he suspected she was cheating on him. Now, with the wounds still raw, he fears he’s “not worthy” of a girlfriend anymore.

“After being depressed for so long, I feel like it’s a handicap,” says Santiago, who works at a department store and has been on one date only since his breakup. “It makes me feel like, ‘Oh, he’s damaged goods.’ ”

And then there’s the problem of not knowing how to approach a woman. He suspects his coworker might have a crush on him, and yet he worries that one wrong move and he’ll be labeled “creepy.”

It’s a common worry for men in the post–#MeToo era. In a 2016 study, over 95 percent of respondents replied that men were much more likely to be “creepy people” than women. One twentysomething on Reddit, who wanted to ask out an employee at his local pet store, groaned that men are “expected to be the hunters but are shunned for doing so in public unless it’s on a stupid app.”

So Santiago does nothing.

“I’m a very insecure person—I don’t want to burst anyone’s bubble or break their boundaries,” said the third-generation Mexican American.

And then there’s the cost of romance. The average date in the U.S. comes with a $159 price tag, which costs more than ten hours of work for those making a $15 hourly wage. It started getting so expensive for one bachelor, a 26-year-old banker, that he moved from Los Angeles, where rent averages around $3,000, to an apartment in Appalachia, where he and a friend now pay $500 each a month.

“I just found it’s a lot of time, and frankly, money,” he says about dating back West. “We’re risking so much for so little.”

But the dating scene in Appalachia, he says, is “not good” either, partly because he’s working remotely.

“Everyone is double my age and lives in, like, the Midwest. There’s just none of that cohesion or fun. The world has changed.”


Some men insist they haven’t checked out of dating. Rather, they have virtual girlfriends who satisfy all their needs.

Over the past few years, start-ups like Replika, Character.ai, and Inflection AI, have rolled out a universe of virtual companions that users can customize to meet their every desire. One alluring chatbot, Eva AI, woos customers with the promise: “Build relationship and intimacy on your terms.” And one influencer, Caryn Marjorie, says she created an AI version of herself—so far with more than 18,000 “boyfriends”—to “cure loneliness.”

And then there are the real-life sirens of OnlyFans, where its 240 million users can purchase the “girlfriend experience,” and get a constant stream of sexts and loving messages in return for cold, hard cash.

Aella, a top OnlyFans performer who makes $100,000 on “a good month,” says a large part of her job is doting upon her admirers like a lover would, listening to them moan about their tough days or absent girlfriends.

“It turns out the thing that men want is not just sex,” she told The Free Press. “They want sex with a woman that likes them.”

Only a minority of her customers are interested in just physical pleasure, she says. An overwhelming majority reach out to her for companionship, or simply to feel desired by a woman. A “big part” of her job, she says, is tending to men who are lonely.

“An important component to a sexual dynamic is to feel valued,” she told me.

Ethan King, a therapist who “treats 90 percent men” in Austin, Texas, says he often has to convince clients to look beyond the girls they see in porn.

“People say they’re totally happy with their porn girlfriend,” he says. “They’re like, ‘It’s too risky. I’d just rather be online.’ ”

But Ian Soltes, a 33-year-old overnight gas station attendant in Bridgeport, Connecticut, doesn’t want to look past his online “friend with benefits.”

He says he first met his online girlfriend on GameFAQs, a video gaming website that hosts message boards, when he was 13 or 14. They play video games together and message each other all day long (he told me he sent her a “hug emoji” during our interview).

“She has been more than willing to be very close and intimate with me online,” he said. “So any sexual urge I’ve had has been handled by that.”

There’s just one problem: they’ve never met in person or spoken on the phone. Soltes said she can’t because she’s mute.

“I’m pretty convinced it’s a lie,” he admitted. “But at the same time, if I challenge her on it, what’s going to happen? I’m going to find out the one person I’ve been close friends with for decades now is a guy? I don’t want to say I already know that, ’cause I don’t.”

He stumbles to find the right words.

“I’d just be losing a close friend, and I don’t want to risk that.”

The U.S. marriage rate is the lowest it’s been in over a century, with a quarter of 40-year-olds having never married (in 1980, only 6 percent of adults fell into that camp). It’s a trend that continues even though research shows married people are happier.

Americans today “discourage commitment now,” says Steven Mosher, the lead demographer at the Population Research Institute. “The expectation 50 years ago was that everyone would eventually get married and have children. Now, that expectation is gone.”

Already, an increasing number of women are going it alone as mothers, freezing their eggs and using sperm donors to procreate. At some point in the future, Mosher says the family—“the fundamental unit of society”—could completely break down. “We’re going to have children born from sperm donors, with no fathers, eggs and embryos frozen suspended indefinitely until someone wants to add a child to her life.

“This is not a happy future for most of humanity.”

Jon Birger worries about the future, too. Not just for men but for women, who he says aren’t being served by the current dating dynamic—or dating apps, which about half of American “never married” adults say they’ve used at some point.

“Their business goal is to retain users,” says Birger of apps like Tinder that want daters to keep searching for love. The day you settle down is the day their profits die.

His advice to America’s young women is to get off the apps and try “mixed-collar dating.”

“When college-educated women restrict their dating pool to college-educated men, they are effectively limiting themselves to a too-small dating pool,” said Birger, the author of Date-onomics: How Dating Became a Lopsided Numbers Game. “And if you exclude firemen, electricians, plumbers, and other folks that don’t have a college degree, you may be excluding people that you would actually really click with romantically.”

Jammall, the security guard in Florida, says he is open to dating someone more educated or successful than he is, and he believes he could bring a lot to the table. Sure, he doesn’t have a million dollars, but he wants to do “the little things,” like cook dinner for his partner and leave love notes around the house. “I’m trustworthy, loyal, and very direct. I’m also very protective, and I’m not afraid to try new things.”

But still, he knows that many women toggle their apps so that men like him—those without a bachelor’s degree, without a six-figure salary—never appear on their feeds.

And he says they’re “missing out” on a lot of good guys.

“The problem isn’t that I don’t have anything to offer someone—I do,” he says. “But I can’t even get my foot in the door. And if they don’t talk to me, what can I do?”
 
That was his first date in three years. He says he once went six months without getting a single match on a dating app, even though he pays $30 in monthly fees between OkCupid, Bumble, and Hinge. If you count high school, when he went to the movies with a classmate, Jammall says he’s been on a total of three dates his entire life.
Your first problem is OkCupid, and pretty sure other match-making sites are worse than swipe apps; but the problem being, you need to actually pay to get access to their messaging services. And when I say worse, I mean most of the women are bots, more than swipe apps, and the few honest ones, are mostly foreign green-card seekers. Never tried Bumble as I heard it was more for gay dudes, and I'm not about that life; never tried Hinge, so no idea about it, but if Tinder is anything to go by, it's a bunch of what the kids call "Gassed up Mids" who admit to be willing to drop you the moment you stop being the favorite toy. If you're serious about dating or honest to God trying to find a partner, stick to real life; and if you're in a shit location like me, welcome to the fucking struggle, try not to kill yourself.

“It turns out the thing that men want is not just sex,” she told The Free Press. “They want sex with a woman that likes them.”
And there's the problem, they want women to like them, and doing that through the Internet is a lot harder than IRL since it's you versus every swinging dick in a 5 hour airplane ride radius.

I will never understand this sentiment. They're not aliens, dude.
You ever have a woman tell you she's hungry, you ask her what she wants, and when you get her what she wants, she gets pissy because she really wanted something else and it's your fault for not being a mind reader? They're not aliens, but a majority are bi-polar, and good luck trying to understand them.
 
You ever have a woman tell you she's hungry, you ask her what she wants, and when you get her what she wants, she gets pissy because she really wanted something else and it's your fault for not being a mind reader? They're not aliens, but a majority are bi-polar, and good luck trying to understand them.
Idk, I meant more in a casual conversational sense rather than a specific moment like asking a woman what she wants to grab to eat. A worrying amount of men seem to treat women like they're a different species rather than people who happen to be a bit more emotional and illogical on average.

That example of getting something to eat though, I get. It's not hard to deal with imo.
 
Idk, I meant more in a casual conversational sense rather than a specific moment like asking a woman what she wants to grab to eat. A worrying amount of men seem to treat women like they're a different species rather than people who happen to be a bit more emotional and illogical on average.

That example of getting something to eat though, I get. It's not hard to deal with imo.
I can't speak for him, but I think his sentiment is he doesn't have the gift of gab and can't hold a woman's attention (for whatever reason); and I get that sentiment, I have the same issue, maybe it's autism, maybe it's social awkwardness, maybe I'm still angry over that bitch ripping up my monthly videogame magazine in the 6th grade and using the threat of pain from her posse of orbiters to get away with it and I'm still not over it. But the whole act normal/whatever thing just doesn't click... we're probably retarded.
 
The sexual revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
If you look at the total fertility rate before 1960 and after 1960, you can really see how sudden the dropoff became after second-wave feminism started to fan up. This means that it wasn't the technological advances and low child mortality that were responsible for the TFR drops. If I recall one particularly extreme example comes from Quebec, which went from a TFR of 3.5 to just 1.5 in under a decade. Yes, the transition really was that extreme.
The troons and all the consequences they bring for women and normal men are just the icing on the cake of degeneracy.
 
I can't speak for him, but I think his sentiment is he doesn't have the gift of gab and can't hold a woman's attention (for whatever reason); and I get that sentiment, I have the same issue, maybe it's autism, maybe it's social awkwardness, maybe I'm still angry over that bitch ripping up my monthly videogame magazine in the 6th grade and using the threat of pain from her posse of orbiters to get away with it and I'm still not over it. But the whole act normal/whatever thing just doesn't click... we're probably retarded.
For me having a fucking stupid amount of retarded factoids about damn near every sphere you can think of and an opinion on it, with a humorous lens, helps for conversation with anybody.

Like joking about the suicidal penguin from that one documentary, that there's a plant that reacts to loud music, one of the most well-paid performers in the 20th century's act was farting on command into various instruments, etc. Just find a bunch of shit that's interesting and bring it up to talk about, idk. I do that with everybody though, not just on a date or some shit as I'm not really a guy into the big cultural watercooler shit and I abhor talking politics with anybody irl.

The main thing that seems to come up though is this self-conscious weirdness around women specifically. I've never really had that and I find it fascinating when I see/hear it.
 
I will never understand this sentiment. They're not aliens, dude.
Considering this article includes people like this:
I found Jammall on the online Reddit community r/TrueUnpopularOpinion, where men often vent about the dating scene. On another subreddit, r/PurplePillDebate, male commenters bemoan that they’re held to the “666 rule,” which mandates they be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches—or more—downstairs. (Jammall describes himself as a “straitlaced guy” who is 5-feet-5-inches tall.)
He says he first met his online girlfriend on GameFAQs, a video gaming website that hosts message boards, when he was 13 or 14. They play video games together and message each other all day long (he told me he sent her a “hug emoji” during our interview).
I don't think anything these people say should be considered taken seriously, assuming this isn't a satire article.
 
And there's the problem, they want women to like them, and doing that through the Internet is a lot harder than IRL since it's you versus every swinging dick in a 5 hour airplane ride radius.
This fact is why I think that the way to begin tackling this problem is to ban dating sites and apps. This may sound counterproductive, but if you limit people's dating pool to their social network, either online or in person, then the whole aspect of shopping people like groceries on Tinder and such goes away because now you'll have to kinda know people before going out with them.

Like most radical solutions, it'll cause some problems in the short term since many people's social circles are fucked, but if you can't rely on dating sites to get dates then it'll force society over time to encourage people to join groups to meet others.
 
That was his first date in three years. He says he once went six months without getting a single match on a dating apps
Either this guy is so ugly it's crippling or he's being way too selective.
Modern dating is not about being patient or precise, it's loading a shotgun and blasting until you've bagged something decent
 
Never tried Bumble as I heard it was more for gay dudes, and I'm not about that life; never tried Hinge, so no idea about it, but if Tinder is anything to go by, it's a bunch of what the kids call "Gassed up Mids" who admit to be willing to drop you the moment you stop being the favorite toy.
Hinge is the best thing going if you're looking for an honest relationship. You're probably going to have to drop your physical standards by a point or two, which you can make up for if you indicate that you're looking to get married, but if you're gonna pick an app, Hinge is the best of the bunch in terms of who's on there and what they're looking for.
You ever have a woman tell you she's hungry, you ask her what she wants, and when you get her what she wants, she gets pissy because she really wanted something else and it's your fault for not being a mind reader?
Yes. This situation is kind of a test; the kind that even normal women can't seem to resist.

Playfully make fun of her for being a typical woman, tell her if she wanted fries she should have ordered fries, and then let her have some of your fries. Her subconscious is trying to figure out if you're going to be a pushover; this response further entrenches your gender roles and establishes you as someone with enough self-esteem to brook no bullshit.

I know that explanation sounds clinical when you break it down, but it's quite natural in the moment so long as you're a guy who actually brooks no bullshit... it's only when you have to "fake it till you make it" that it starts sounding like a prescription rather than a response.
There’s just one problem: they’ve never met in person or spoken on the phone. Soltes said she can’t because she’s mute.

“I’m pretty convinced it’s a lie,” he admitted.
You gay, nigga.
 
>I found Jammall on the online Reddit community r/TrueUnpopularOpinion, where men often vent about the dating scene.

I get it. It's validating, other people have the same problem too.
However going on reddit hugboxes and programming yourself to give up is not really a valid tactic. This person, for example, was worse off for doing this than literally throwing rocks.
This supports my claim that reddit is cancer.
 
Some of this is self imposed. I have 2 really good friends, they're great guys. But they are not the best looking and don't have the personality to overcome that. They constantly go after 8-10 women and get depressed when they are turned down. They won't date on their level because they want a hot, sexy girlfriend.

If you are a 5 in looks and aren't rich you are going to have to settle for skinny butterface or chubby with pretty face. Before internet porn and social media most people knew this. Now everyone wants to be with the hottest, tallest, or richest. People need to set their expectations on realistic.
 
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