The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Secret Asshole said:
As for Stormfront, he was NOT a major character in the least. He was barely in the book at all, maybe for 2 issues or so? His purpose was when things were escalating between the Boys and Vaught, they sent in their 'second best' team to try and take them out and they get absolutely fucking SLAUGHTERED. I mean, he was an absurd stereotype meant to show how cartoonishly evil Vought was more than Nazi's bad. You also have to remember the comic is way more absurdist than the show, like naming superheros after a dog's penis or Batman having an uncontrollable urge to just fuck holes.

So yeah, using a Nazi stereotype that spouts off clearly Nazi shit was not beyond the pale. He was there for laughs as 'How could a corporation do this shit?' And then he gets hilariously murdered. It wasn't very complicated. It wasn't meant to be. Stormfront wasn't a statement on society, he was part of the absurdity of superheroes. It wasn't even to 'take down the white nationalists'. It was just a stereotype of a comic Nazi villain who gets murdered in bloody, gory fashion. Not everything Ennis writes is meant to be taken as social comedy. He even wrote (shocker) a decent, smart Republican president in the comic. But uh, in the end Nancy Pelosi becomes President because fucking the President gets killed by the VP, and Black Noir kills the VP. But really, at that point in the comic, shit has totally hit the fucking fan, and its basically the final act. Point is, Stormfront is a minor parody character of comic book Nazi villains from the 1940s.

Stormfront in the show is a much more serious take on that, being the first supe ever. Also having a female Nazi villain is bold, I'll give them that. But its obvious her memes are just a cover to resurrect the white race. But they'd basically have to make her a secret Nazi, honestly. Because the show has removed most of the absurdist element. So an out and out crazed Nazi wouldn't work thematically. They mention in the show that they have to move her around a lot when she can't control herself, and I imagine PR covers up what she does. Like when she's in the hood and just starts murdering all the black people. Its subtle, but obvious at the same time.

I know everybody is sensitive with the whole 'Nazi' thing being thrown around, but in the context, themes, tone and atmosphere of the show, how they're writing her is really the only way. She could get away with being an out-and-out racist in the 1950s, but she's toning it down, but it comes out every now and again. It also seems like a well-known secret among supes ala A-Train. She knows she has to be 'diplomatic' and hide it, but she'll indulge when she can get away with it when no one is looking.

Honestly, she might want to help Homelander just because he is a perfect Aryan: Blue Eyes, Blonde Hair, all that shit.



Well Amazon's other series (The Hunters) where Operation Paperclip was this BIG LARGE MCHUGE secret (it fucking wasn't) and OMG WE HAVE TO BURY IT, OR THEY'LL KILL US (lol no).

Instead of just being about secret Nazi societies and shit or just making up their own thing. But yes, they had to shoe-horn it in somehow. I'm kind of divided on Stormfront. In the comics he's mostly a joke. Pretty much all the superheroes are. Their names are fucking ridiculous (Blarney Cock, Dog Knott, shit like that). They send his squad after 'The Boys' to assassinate them as a promise to get into the Seven and the boys absolutely kick the ever-living fucking shit out of them, and Butcher curb-stomps Stormfront to death.

Of course, in the comics the Boys were juiced up on Compound V and could hold their own against lesser supers (but were no match for the Seven who could kill them). The tension mostly came from 'The Boys' vs. 'The Seven' without them physically going at it, using blackmail, subterfuge and other methods. Because it'd be MAD which no one wanted. While working as a Black Ops CIA unit to stomp supes that get out of hand.

In the show, you get to see increasing problems with this dynamic. It was interesting to not have them powered, but it takes away intriguing fights and you're going to have to question how they spank regular supes that get out of hand. I also feel like they took out the most interesting dynamic between Black Noir and Homelander where
Black Noir is a clone of Homelander, his sole existence to assassinate him if he gets out of line, which Homelander doesn't know. The problem is being so close to the thing he exists for eventually drives him crazy. So in order to make Homelander go rouge and question his own sanity, he sends pictures of 'Homelander' raping and killing a family in the most brutal way possible to Homelander and The Boys. He commits crimes and abuses his authority and starts making Homelander believe he has a split personality and he's actually a psychopath. Which is why he is so horrible. He BELIEVES he is a monster. Butcher's accusation that he raped his wife really pushes him over the edge, because he has absolutely no memory of it. Because he didn't actually do it. Black Noir did. All so he can make his target go crazy and kill him, thus fufilling his purpose.

Its actually a really cool concept, where Homelander might not have really been a monster if not for Black Noir. That's really the question it asks. Would he have been so terrible if Black Noir wasn't driving him insane? Thus feeling that he could never atone for his crimes and just lost all of his morality?

I thought it was really smart of Ennis to do and one of the more interesting parts of 'The Boys'. And Black Noir was basically impossible to kill (until an army with DU rounds lays into him, and that's still not enough). It takes butcher with a crowbar to split his head open and rip his brains out.

I think the no-powers aspect besides the female is starting to show its weaknesses. They were meant to be there if supes went mental. But how can they stop them when their heads would get severed from a punch? Relying on 'The Female' for everything is kinda weak. You could still have your cat and mouse game with the Seven.

I feel like that's why things are really starting to get bogged down. It seems like they didn't give them any powers for budgetary reasons. Also, the supes are much less comical in the show than the comic. The absurdity, believe it or not is toned way down. Homelander is an interesting character with the way they did him, mostly like an overgrown child that's a nuclear weapon.

For me, I think the show would have been better as a 'supe of the week' format, where they get missions about supes getting out of control and have to use their wits, smarts and battle experience to defeat (kill) the Rogue supes. So the theme would be being born with this amazing talent and power cannot overcome hard work, experience and knowledge. You could have the threads linked with the Seven as well of course. So kind of episodic with an overarching plot. It'd cut out a lot of the boring as fuck character development that seems to slog everything down. You can make them unpowered, but they just seem to be at a loss when confronted with super heroes. I mean, that's your job, right? Shouldn't you have some sort of plan and experimentation to deal with powered folk? Excepting the Seven, which are basically almost unkillable.

I just feel there's not enough murder. More murder plz.
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I never read the comics on this intance so apologies if this guy existed on the comic, so what if its not Vought during the head explosion scene, but rather the fly/flies? On S2, there's a sudden aubandance of a fly/flies that follows the characters around, and it's probably not coincidence from how it keep showing up. There's also something flying about during the mass heads exploding, but that could be either the fly or the CGI guys messing up flying parts a bit by hanging them in the air a tad too long. Probably some macabre parody of Atom/AntMan if it is.

It also appears in a few episodes on S1, but appears more often on S2. I'm probably pulling straws at this point.
 
I feel like they toned down Butchers father from the comics too much for people to really care, where it was almost comical with how much of a reprehensible dickhead he was, with him giving Butchers mother a glass eye from constantly beating her. That and all the Butcher/Falklands and meeting Rebecca all being cut out.
 
Boy was that last episode all over the place. It was pretty funny how at their mock Trump/'racist' rally they had non white people in every frame. Wonder if that was on purpose or if the need for diversity is that important. The writing is so laughably stupid that the political elements come off as parody, just another part of this clusterfuck of a season. The show has also heavily overplayed the shocking death card, if they want the show to become their walking dead theyre sure killing off a lot of potentially interesting characters.

Ad Lib Moaning said:
I never read the comics on this intance so apologies if this guy existed on the comic, so what if its not Vought during the head explosion scene, but rather the fly/flies? On S2, there's a sudden aubandance of a fly/flies that follows the characters around, and it's probably not coincidence from how it keep showing up. There's also something flying about during the mass heads exploding, but that could be either the fly or the CGI guys messing up flying parts a bit by hanging them in the air a tad too long. Probably some macabre parody of Atom/AntMan if it is.

It also appears in a few episodes on S1, but appears more often on S2. I'm probably pulling straws at this point.
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My best guess is that the head explosions are the doing of the Church. That would be a way to tie the plotlines together and give them an identity outside of being a cult. Hope its not some new group because the show has enough underdeveloped characters as it is.
 
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I really like the social commentary. Not enough shows today have such insightful but subtle writing. Pointing out the barrage of right wing dominated media. Just like how IRL its so hard to find anyone brave enough to speak out against Drumpf.
 
Grand Wizard Wakka said:
I really like the social commentary. Not enough shows today have such insightful but subtle writing. Pointing out the barrage of right wing dominated media. Just like how IRL its so hard to find anyone brave enough to speak out against Drumpf.
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LMAO this dude must be high from huffing his own TDS farts. US media is right wing dominated and no one is brave enough to speak out against Trump? Light up the pipe again, dude.

This season blows, I'm just going to say it. I agree with a previous poster, too many "shocking" random deaths and underdeveloped characters, the main characters aren't terribly interesting any longer, and Stormfront's big ass Jew nose annoys me. Thanks to the overreaction to the Rona, there isn't SHIT to watch on any of the platforms, but man has this show plunged straight into the toilet. The acting is terrible, the writing is terrible, I don't know if I'll even continue to watch it. Everything seems to be dumbed down for the legion of retards walking around. Just disappointing.

Edited to add: Sorry kids, I didn't realize the walking brain dead's massively retarded and unfunny take was sarcasm, usually you have a sense of amusement when it comes to such. You know, actually being clever?

PS, this show is a steaming pile of shit.
 
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Lady Round Buns said:
LMAO this dude must be high from huffing his own TDS farts. US media is right wing dominated and no one is brave enough to speak out against Trump? Light up the pipe again, dude.

This season blows, I'm just going to say it. I agree with a previous poster, too many "shocking" random deaths and underdeveloped characters, the main characters aren't terribly interesting any longer, and Stormfront's big ass Jew nose annoys me. Thanks to the overreaction to the Rona, there isn't SHIT to watch on any of the platforms, but man has this show plunged straight into the toilet. The acting is terrible, the writing is terrible, I don't know if I'll even continue to watch it. Everything seems to be dumbed down for the legion of retards walking around. Just disappointing.
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Dude was being sarcastic. Calm down.
 
The heads exploding were Claire. Or did you guys forget that she was the only successful supe to escape from the last episode? Even asplodes a head of a guard.
 
captkrisma said:
The heads exploding were Claire. Or did you guys forget that she was the only successful supe to escape from the last episode? Even asplodes a head of a guard.
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I figured it was whoever exploded the head of that CIA director in the first episode of the season or whatever. Claire was locked up during that, so even if this was Claire, who was the one that exploded the CIA director?
 
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The heads exploding were Claire. Or did you guys forget that she was the only successful supe to escape from the last episode? Even asplodes a head of a guard.
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Couldn't be her, she was locked up at the time and her methods shown was squeezing-exploding the body while the head pops upwards like a zit. The heads in the scene only explode outwards, the bodies left alone.
Unless her range was bigger than we thought and can go through a bunch of walls, there's some factors that tell it isn't her. My bets are on some inane asspull reason if it is her.
 
Ad Lib Moaning said:
Couldn't be her, she was locked up at the time and her methods shown was squeezing-exploding the body while the head pops upwards like a zit. The heads in the scene only explode outwards, the bodies left alone.
Unless her range was bigger than we thought and can go through a bunch of walls, there's some factors that tell it isn't her. My bets are on some inane asspull reason if it is her.
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Story wise three days passed between the breakout and the trial. Even then she was hitchhiking at the end of episode 6
 
Some general thoughts + frustrations:
Anyone notice Stormfront recommending that the kid watch Pewdiepie? Dunno if that was intended to be a jab at the alt-right being his “biggest fans”, but I’m sure some people run with it being intentional.

Very disappointed with how they set up Lamp Lighter as being a potential ally by the end of the prior episode, only to have him commit suicide in the most unceremonious way possible. I would’ve expected the dude to at least try to cause some damage to the tower by setting the entire place ablaze, but nah, he’ll just light himself on fire, fall over, and then be put out by sprinklers pretty quickly. Oh, and Black Noir will subsequently destroy parts of the tower while fighting Starlight instead.

I was sort of hoping that the Church of the Collective would become a new faction for the next season, though now I can absolutely care less. Even if that does end up happening, I’ve grown so tired of the Deep's side story as it keeps meandering. It has such little relevancy to the current plot that removing it all entirely would change almost nothing.

Overall, I’m now far less excited and enthusiastic as I was when watching Season 1. Maybe it’s cause of the weekly releases slowing things down, yet even then, I just feel like all of the setup from both of these seasons have been absolutely squandered and given no satisfying payoff:
>Trying to expose Vought for producing Compound V? Starlight gets it for them with such low stakes involved. People are outraged about it for a bit, only for it to then become mostly background noise.
>Butcher trying to figure out where his wife’s being kept? Given a note with the address, breaks in to the facility effortlessly, and is promptly told to fuck off for not accepting his wife’s bastard child being a supe.
>Going on a roadtrip to figure out the mystery of the missing superhero named Liberty? Why bother having the characters uncover that secret on their own when Stormfront can literally spell everything out to the audience.
>Supe terrorists may present an actual threat for both the Seven and the Boys? The one from last season + Kimiko’s brother are both killed off very quickly and become entirely forgotten. Claire is the only semi-interesting potential threat, yet I suspect that whatever the writers do with her in the final episode may be underwhelming.

It sucks how I was looking forward to the next season a year ago, only to now feel wary of what’s to come with Season 3. Who even knows when the Hell that’ll come out.
 
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I hate to agree with Homelander but yeah, she was making the boy into a pussy. The Blind Side sucks dick.

Pretty good episode, I honestly skipped through the uninteresting sub-plots (Billy Butcher's dad and Frenchie and the Jap chick).

It's a disappointing season for sure. But still not bad. Season 1 would get like a 9 or 10 from me and season 2 gets a 7. Not unless the finale will be something amazing.

Edit: I posted before completing episode 7. For that ending, it at least deserves a 7.5.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I hate to agree with Homelander but yeah, she was making the boy into a pussy. The Blind Side sucks dick.

Pretty good episode, I honestly skipped through the uninteresting sub-plots (Billy Butcher's dad and Frenchie and the Jap chick).

It's a disappointing season for sure. But still not bad. Season 1 would get like a 9 or 10 from me and season 2 gets a 7. Not unless the finale will be something amazing.

Edit: I posted before completing episode 7. For that ending, it at least deserves a 7.5.
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Very specifically in this situation, Homelander was right about the kid, because he’s drawing on his own memories and feelings. Becca just cannot understand. But, if Becca wanted to stay in his life she really should’ve been smarter. SOME female or other is always going to be tying Homelander into knots. Rape victim or not, Becca’s smartest move was to become that female. Too late, Stormfront gets it, and now she’s got one nuke and one mini-nuke.

Homelander has no idea how to see himself, so he’s constantly looking for someone - usually a female someone - to tell him who he is. To tell him what his potential is. If Becca was a smart mom focused on staying with her son, she could’ve told him he’s a great and loving dad. She could’ve painted him that picture of himself. But Stormfront has stepped in and painted a picture, and that’s how he’s going to see himself. Didn’t have to be that way. It’s like Becca has no idea how to manipulate adult males who are still a 10-yo motherless child, emotionally speaking.

I guess I just have that little inner Stormfront. We both think we could control that nuke. I think we’d die, but I think before we did, we could aim him where we want him for a while, and maybe it’s worth it.
 
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Dreamer said:
Well if you're not completely gone off the deep end on politics the show is enjoyable mostly because of power dynamics between characters, the wild shit that happens in it almost constantly, stellar worldbuilding and script.
Alright, they put a on the nose political message that is not wrong, just outdated and maybe onesided, and then the rest of the episode was stellar, as per usual.
Idk, if you let politics ruin your enjoyment of a show that fast then you're not much better than Sjews imo.
if you're unsure what sticker to give me i like hats, just sayin'.
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Guess I'm no better than SJWs then.

The complaints made by other people pretty much summarize how I feel, particularly @Burning Fanatic .

I'm not angry about it, just disappointed. The show touched on so many things that could have been super interesting. Parents selling their kids for the parent's benefit. The commercialization of social causes. Moral ethics of certain scientific fields. Instead everytime they touch on those interesting topics the move away from them to focus on right wing politics being bad. And, look, different people are looking for different things in their entertainment. The friend who recommended the show to me found the whale situation hilarious. I found it gratuitous in a way nothing in the first season was. It felt like shock value just for shock value and that's been a lot of the deaths this season. For some people that's enough and I'm happy they can continue to enjoy it. Right now I'm where @Secret Asshole is, no longer excited to watch it but watching it just to watch it. Which for me means im probably not continuing it in season 3.


Anyway, I appreciate everyone who is still excited about the show detailing why. I hope your enjoyment and excitement continues!
 
what the fuck was up with this episode? from full alt-right, to cuck porn, to my boyfriends son. it was all cringe! lamplighter killing himself like that was stupid as well but the final bit of the episode was even more retarded. you telling me the girl who was locked up and controlled to kill people by vaught, suddenly just found herself at the congress building at the same day the hearing started and just started killing people beacuse?

i like it when the show can make fun of itself for being overly PC and vice-versa but it felt like the writers were just visited 4chan and reddit for a day and picked out all the most shocking memes they could find and make it an episode.
 
So is this the first case 2 actors played father and son in two different movies/ shows? John Noble played Denethor in Lord of the Rings. Carl Urban played Eomer in Lord of the Rings, Denethor's son.
 
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