As for Stormfront, he was NOT a major character in the least. He was barely in the book at all, maybe for 2 issues or so? His purpose was when things were escalating between the Boys and Vaught, they sent in their 'second best' team to try and take them out and they get absolutely fucking SLAUGHTERED. I mean, he was an absurd stereotype meant to show how cartoonishly evil Vought was more than Nazi's bad. You also have to remember the comic is way more absurdist than the show, like naming superheros after a dog's penis or Batman having an uncontrollable urge to just fuck holes.
So yeah, using a Nazi stereotype that spouts off clearly Nazi shit was not beyond the pale. He was there for laughs as 'How could a corporation do this shit?' And then he gets hilariously murdered. It wasn't very complicated. It wasn't meant to be. Stormfront wasn't a statement on society, he was part of the absurdity of superheroes. It wasn't even to 'take down the white nationalists'. It was just a stereotype of a comic Nazi villain who gets murdered in bloody, gory fashion. Not everything Ennis writes is meant to be taken as social comedy. He even wrote (shocker) a decent, smart Republican president in the comic. But uh, in the end Nancy Pelosi becomes President because fucking the President gets killed by the VP, and Black Noir kills the VP. But really, at that point in the comic, shit has totally hit the fucking fan, and its basically the final act. Point is, Stormfront is a minor parody character of comic book Nazi villains from the 1940s.
Stormfront in the show is a much more serious take on that, being the first supe ever. Also having a female Nazi villain is bold, I'll give them that. But its obvious her memes are just a cover to resurrect the white race. But they'd basically have to make her a secret Nazi, honestly. Because the show has removed most of the absurdist element. So an out and out crazed Nazi wouldn't work thematically. They mention in the show that they have to move her around a lot when she can't control herself, and I imagine PR covers up what she does. Like when she's in the hood and just starts murdering all the black people. Its subtle, but obvious at the same time.
I know everybody is sensitive with the whole 'Nazi' thing being thrown around, but in the context, themes, tone and atmosphere of the show, how they're writing her is really the only way. She could get away with being an out-and-out racist in the 1950s, but she's toning it down, but it comes out every now and again. It also seems like a well-known secret among supes ala A-Train. She knows she has to be 'diplomatic' and hide it, but she'll indulge when she can get away with it when no one is looking.
Honestly, she might want to help Homelander just because he is a perfect Aryan: Blue Eyes, Blonde Hair, all that shit.
Well Amazon's other series (The Hunters) where Operation Paperclip was this BIG LARGE MCHUGE secret (it fucking wasn't) and OMG WE HAVE TO BURY IT, OR THEY'LL KILL US (lol no).
Instead of just being about secret Nazi societies and shit or just making up their own thing. But yes, they had to shoe-horn it in somehow. I'm kind of divided on Stormfront. In the comics he's mostly a joke. Pretty much all the superheroes are. Their names are fucking ridiculous (Blarney Cock, Dog Knott, shit like that). They send his squad after 'The Boys' to assassinate them as a promise to get into the Seven and the boys absolutely kick the ever-living fucking shit out of them, and Butcher curb-stomps Stormfront to death.
Of course, in the comics the Boys were juiced up on Compound V and could hold their own against lesser supers (but were no match for the Seven who could kill them). The tension mostly came from 'The Boys' vs. 'The Seven' without them physically going at it, using blackmail, subterfuge and other methods. Because it'd be MAD which no one wanted. While working as a Black Ops CIA unit to stomp supes that get out of hand.
In the show, you get to see increasing problems with this dynamic. It was interesting to not have them powered, but it takes away intriguing fights and you're going to have to question how they spank regular supes that get out of hand. I also feel like they took out the most interesting dynamic between Black Noir and Homelander where
Black Noir is a clone of Homelander, his sole existence to assassinate him if he gets out of line, which Homelander doesn't know. The problem is being so close to the thing he exists for eventually drives him crazy. So in order to make Homelander go rouge and question his own sanity, he sends pictures of 'Homelander' raping and killing a family in the most brutal way possible to Homelander and The Boys. He commits crimes and abuses his authority and starts making Homelander believe he has a split personality and he's actually a psychopath. Which is why he is so horrible. He BELIEVES he is a monster. Butcher's accusation that he raped his wife really pushes him over the edge, because he has absolutely no memory of it. Because he didn't actually do it. Black Noir did. All so he can make his target go crazy and kill him, thus fufilling his purpose.
Its actually a really cool concept, where Homelander might not have really been a monster if not for Black Noir. That's really the question it asks. Would he have been so terrible if Black Noir wasn't driving him insane? Thus feeling that he could never atone for his crimes and just lost all of his morality?
I thought it was really smart of Ennis to do and one of the more interesting parts of 'The Boys'. And Black Noir was basically impossible to kill (until an army with DU rounds lays into him, and that's still not enough). It takes butcher with a crowbar to split his head open and rip his brains out.
I think the no-powers aspect besides the female is starting to show its weaknesses. They were meant to be there if supes went mental. But how can they stop them when their heads would get severed from a punch? Relying on 'The Female' for everything is kinda weak. You could still have your cat and mouse game with the Seven.
I feel like that's why things are really starting to get bogged down. It seems like they didn't give them any powers for budgetary reasons. Also, the supes are much less comical in the show than the comic. The absurdity, believe it or not is toned way down. Homelander is an interesting character with the way they did him, mostly like an overgrown child that's a nuclear weapon.
For me, I think the show would have been better as a 'supe of the week' format, where they get missions about supes getting out of control and have to use their wits, smarts and battle experience to defeat (kill) the Rogue supes. So the theme would be being born with this amazing talent and power cannot overcome hard work, experience and knowledge. You could have the threads linked with the Seven as well of course. So kind of episodic with an overarching plot. It'd cut out a lot of the boring as fuck character development that seems to slog everything down. You can make them unpowered, but they just seem to be at a loss when confronted with super heroes. I mean, that's your job, right? Shouldn't you have some sort of plan and experimentation to deal with powered folk? Excepting the Seven, which are basically almost unkillable.
I just feel there's not enough murder. More murder plz.
I absolutely love they got an obvious jew to play Stormfront. I also give then props for keeping the name of a NeoNazi website in a mainstream tv series. I enjoyed her character, including the out dated and outlandish racism she expressed. I enjoyed her masking her racism with Starlight and A-Train. The ending of the last episode went from 0-100-to jumping the shark so quickly with her monologue to Homelander at the end that it gave me whiplash and sucked the fun out of her. It's my personal problem and not the shows, but I'm tired of writers jamming their square politics into the circle of the story they are writing which is what Stormfront is. I don't fault anyone for enjoying it but it's bad writing. And it makes her so cartoonishly villainous as well as dumb it removes w/e nuance or intrigue she had for me.
I also dislike that none of her memes were funny, which completely misses the point of memes.
Ultimately the show is stalling out due to poor writing more than a lack of action scenes or The Boys not having powers or the added character development. All of the character development Hughie went through in the first season just disappeared this season. The writers have no idea what to do with MM so we get scenes with him and Starlight talking in the diner which don't do anything or lead to anything. The worst part is how stupid they are writing everyone to be. The conversation French/MM/LS have in that locked room was contrived and dumb. It served a narrative purpose of LS not being the monster we thought, why Frenchie is "tortured" but the execution was poorly executed due to the words being used being the absolute worst choices possible. The show is full of that problem this season.
If you are waiting for The Boys to get their powers you're in luck. I'm pretty sure what's what they are setting up. As someone earlier said Amazon has found their Walking Dead and will milk this until the cow is dead and gone. Hopefully during the milking the show gets better.
The Boys' idea of memes seems to be 'image with words on top of it'; more like Tumblr reaction images/gifs than 4chan memes.
As for Black Noir, he's played by a black guy (Nathan Mitchell), so unless they plan on not using his main actor once they reveal his face (which would probably cause a hilarious outrage) I don't see them going the comic route with him. There's also the small scene of him reacting to the Compound V news that doesn't really mesh with his comic origin. I guess it could all be a misdirect to throw people off so they can have it as a big reveal but I feel like they're doing their own thing with him.
As someone earlier said Amazon has found their Walking Dead and will milk this until the cow is dead and gone. Hopefully during the milking the show gets better.
The spin-off is already greenlit, and it's fucking My Hero Academia. No shit. College kids learning about their powers and trying to get into a good supe team.
This smacks of absurdity if you are slightly aware of PR and the reason Vought themselves slaughtered The G-Men and all their offshoot teams. Too many supes makes it hard to control an overall narrative. Zany Animal House-esque college antics and a megacorporation determined to make them into marketable darlings don't mix well either.
As fat as the series getting better with milking, look at The Walking Dead as an example. The show did pretty consistent in the ratings up until season 7, when it went into a steep decline. If Amazon were smart, they'd have two more seasons, and wrap up the spin-off slightly before they end the main series.
The spin-off is already greenlit, and it's fucking My Hero Academia. No shit. College kids learning about their powers and trying to get into a good supe team.
This smacks of absurdity if you are slightly aware of PR and the reason Vought themselves slaughtered The G-Men and all their offshoot teams. Too many supes makes it hard to control an overall narrative. Zany Animal House-esque college antics and a megacorporation determined to make them into marketable darlings don't mix well either.
As fat as the series getting better with milking, look at The Walking Dead as an example. The show did pretty consistent in the ratings up until season 7, when it went into a steep decline. If Amazon were smart, they'd have two more seasons, and wrap up the spin-off slightly before they end the main series.
I hated the G-Men, but loved the arc, because it took a shit on the X-Men. Wouldn't mind seeing Super Duper, though. Doesn't fit with the general flow of the show, but I liked those kids.
I read about 2 issues of the comic before stopping. It was the most edgelord shit I've ever read. Their universe's equivalent of superman rapes a woman, then the super fetus punches its way out of her stomach, killing her, then the woman's husband beats the baby to death with a lamp. I don't really need to say anything more than that.
My thoughts too. The guys behind it seems like pretentious faggoty edgelords who sniff their own farts at how new and original idea is, which isn't actually original or new. The show doesn't look much better and seems like it's gotten a big following with the SJW crowd for its hamfisted America = Nazi messages. All in all, looks like shit to me.
Anyone have an idea why they keep using a fish eye lense?
For people who still enjoy the show, what's the appeal after this episode?
Edit: I'm asking for what the appeal is, what keeps people excited about the show, and does whatever those things are matter more than hamfisting of real world political analogies?
Anyone have an idea why they keep using a fish eye lense?
For people who still enjoy the show, what's the appeal after this episode?
Edit: I'm asking for what the appeal is, what keeps people excited about the show, and does whatever those things are matter more than hamfisting of real world political analogies?
Well if you're not completely gone off the deep end on politics the show is enjoyable mostly because of power dynamics between characters, the wild shit that happens in it almost constantly, stellar worldbuilding and script.
Alright, they put a on the nose political message that is not wrong, just outdated and maybe onesided, and then the rest of the episode was stellar, as per usual.
Idk, if you let politics ruin your enjoyment of a show that fast then you're not much better than Sjews imo. if you're unsure what sticker to give me i like hats, just sayin'.
Holy shit this episode. Bad political commentary (HAHA SJEWS AMi RITe), complete waste of Lamp Lighter (What the fuck was that, seriously? But I guess with that ending it wouldn't have mattered anyway) and boring shit with Butcher's dad. I get the episode is all about family and shit, but it just doesn't really resonate. Again, Homelander is the best part of the show.
The ending was pretty decent though. My guess is that its Vought, most people are exposed to compound V. So with some weapon they make heads explode. Same thing
Butcher was planning to do in the comics. So I guess the show won't be going that route, which is ok. It obviously wasn't Stormfront as she was as confused as Homelander was.
Anyone have an idea why they keep using a fish eye lense?
For people who still enjoy the show, what's the appeal after this episode?
Edit: I'm asking for what the appeal is, what keeps people excited about the show, and does whatever those things are matter more than hamfisting of real world political analogies?
Imagine getting angry because the show has a political message that does not agree with your own. A show about people who fly around in capes makes you angry.
Politics was cringy. Pacing of the episode was more jarring though honestly. Still enjoyed it; Black Noir looked kinda zombified under his mask though. I do wonder if they're going to do the 'some supes don't die' thing with him and have him be a 1st generation super who's much older than the rest as well. Just that he's kind of lobotomised.
I just don't get why Vought would do that. Raynor makes sense, but this is the worst time to kill off witnesses. "So, when a key witness was about to supposedly reveal dirt on a Superhero producing Company, suddenly him and most of the people involved started exploding in what we can only assume was via super powers... That's not suspicious at all!". Edgar can talk himself out of a lot of shit, but I think he wouldn't take his chances here.
Well yeah, it would be a case where you could show generally wholesome people who try to be heroes, but due to either their ineptitude or low tier powers, get low ranking missions and are seen as a joke in the super community.
Well yeah, it would be a case where you could show generally wholesome people who try to be heroes, but due to either their ineptitude or low tier powers, get low ranking missions and are seen as a joke in the super community.
Let's go with low tier powers. All of the major Supers seem out of depth, especially in the comic. Black Noir is meant to be the pilot during the Brooklyn Bridge 9/11, but he's later shown to be completely incompetent at flying the most automated of planes.
The "heroes" in Super Duper are good kids. It was a shining moment of goodness in a piling swamp of shit. And a great moral argument for Huey.
