The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Blazeuser56 said:
Maybe AoT's ending wasn't that bad, at least not as bad as The Boys
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why would it be considered bad?

Its exactly what I thought would occur, Eren commits to the only plan that can buy his friends a lifetime of peace, its just that plan is so horrific no one else could conceivably commit to it, and the only reason HE is capable of it, is that his entire life was manipulated by Ymir, and even if he felt otherwise, the timeline is fixed, its deterministic, which he was also horribly made privy to.

The Author, whether he admits it or not, reveals a dark truth with this tale, that for your people to be free of other tribes attempts to annihilate yours, requires immense violence, there's no negotiating with people trying to destroy you, they try after his death for decades, and eventually, decades later, those survivors of Eren's onslaught do indeed destroy the Eldians.
 
Astro Galactic Megalul said:
It's a different dynamic altogether IMO.
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I know. That's why I think Homelander did far less damage that Omni man. Yet the idea of Homelander redeeming himself is unthinkable..

It's not a "who's is worse" debate. I am just pointing out that Homelander was created to be a hate sink and a moral punching bag. He was never meant to be an unironic cool comic character, even as a villain.

In fact I would say that before Anthony Star making him popular he was a disposable dime a superman clone, but evil, as far as everyone was concerned. He wasn't even the most interesting evil superman clone. Nolan and the Plutonian for example.
 
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I finished the comic series last night, and I find it funny how the only living member of the Seven left was the Deep, because he legitimately did everything right. He didn't mouth off at inappropriate times, and he didn't hold any personal grudges that got in the way of the business. He was a perfect cog in the machine he was built for.
 
Lion of Yehuda said:
I finished the comic series last night, and I find it funny how the only living member of the Seven left was the Deep, because he legitimately did everything right. He didn't mouth off at inappropriate times, and he didn't hold any personal grudges that got in the way of the business. He was a perfect cog in the machine he was built for.
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Wasn't he also put in the successor team for the Seven?

Exegesis said:
As with a lot of shows, the powerscaling sucks ass. If you as the author can't keep the strength of a character somewhat consistent because it's more convenient if you don't then you're a lazy faggot who shouldn't be involved in any artistic project.
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Powerscaling is something that used to be a plot point. Hell, it was the main reason Homelander was such a threat. But now, a V1-enhanced Homelander is weaker than Homelander was during Herogasm. They really did just throw their arms in the air and stop trying.
 
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LORD IMPERATOR said:
Wasn't he also put in the successor team for the Seven?
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Yes... Guess which one he is!
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Overly Serious said:
I also think this is very, very likely on the mark. Kripke very definitely resents Starr for elevating the role and bringing actual charisma to it. The actor doesn't deserve what is being done and I hope people very quickly separate the two and put the blame on Kripke where it belongs.
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Not surprised to hear Starr added those elements, even even beyond the writing his sheer mastery of facial expressions and all of Homelander's twitches and clear hesitation and depression and angst at times always to me made him sympathetic.

Yes, yes, he's my favorite character and I'm a simp for him and Starr, so I'm biased, but it really doesn't make logical sense to me that Kripke & co were so set on the worst shittiest pathetic ending ever for him (I haven't watched it yet... I actually don't want to bc I know I'll cringe and just feel grim. I will, but god I'll need a stiff drink) as a nose thumb to any fans who liked HL best (& as the clear reason most ppl watched the show and its success), but bc of their Trump derangement syndrome, they seem to have cognitive dissonance that... of all the characters, don't they fucking realise they consistently gave him flashbacks or scenes detailing his horrific backstory more than anyone else?

But we're not meant to have any empathy for that bc lol #TrumpBad? And we're apparently idiots for having any empathy? Well then why did you have endless scenes about that, then!

Yes he's a monster and I always knew they'd write he deserved to die, and he did, I can go with that, but the humiliation torture I'm just not satisfied by at all when other characters did fucking horrendous shit too and got away with it.

I'm glad Starr changed things where he could, but the Trump/Leftie good guy stuff soured the show for me when it's so clearly biased. "It's a just moral universe in the show", erm, no it fucking isn't. It's just when the writers wanted it to be that it was.
 
The boys went down the same route as another decent show with two good Season, Altered Carbon. Altered Carbine actually started out of criticizing basically psychotic ultra wealthy people. And the pitfalls of transhumanism, but then later turned into some gay communist Loyap.
And I'll keep repeating it, but these people think the worst thing you can do is suck a man's Dick or eat his shit. Proving once and for all that they really, actually think people would do such things are actually completely and utterly disgusting and want nothing to do with them.

Most serial killers and strong men. Either one fully at peace for what they have done in their life. Or two complete sociopaths that they do not give a fuck about. Dying.

But still keep reminding people that Che cried like a bitch. When the CIA executed him and begged for mercy. The American CIA should have recorded that and played it on all Communist news stations.

Actually, this has been a good example of a lot of communists dying, choking on their own blood because their own people are too afraid of them. T. Joseph, Stalin and Mao.

I bet Trotsky begged for mercy before he got ice picked.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
Comic "Homelander" literally ate a baby and had no tragic backstory whatsoever, he was evil for the sake of it, and he was still allowed some degree of spectacle when he went out, he didn't just shit his pants and go down in one hit. That's just silly and lame.
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what the fuck is this shit? people unironically like garth ennis? fuck me thats dire
 
Is there a good summary of the decline of this show? I am familiar with the original author, but a lot of you guys are dropping names and other inside baseball stuff that I am unfamiliar with.

Where do I start? I barely made it through season 2 of this show and bailed at some point in season 3. I have read this thread and random wiki entries since.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
Is there a good summary of the decline of this show? I am familiar with the original author, but a lot of you guys are dropping names and other inside baseball stuff that I am unfamiliar with.

Where do I start? I barely made it through season 2 of this show and bailed at some point in season 3. I have read this thread and random wiki entries since.
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It started with Season 2 as they lacked a white writer to keep their Jewishness at bay while having all the plotlines he already built to work off of. You notice with shit like Lamplighter's prints still working, lol blackmail, Lamplighter's gay porn collection (no, seriously), them taking Hughie to a normal hospital, that utterly forced killing of an innocent civilian by Boglight, her renouncing god (or was this in 3?), and mocking the Marvel YAAAS QWEEEEN scene before doing the exact same thing. But it was just bad in 3. I didn't bother with 4 and 5 for obvious reasons.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
Is there a good summary of the decline of this show? I am familiar with the original author, but a lot of you guys are dropping names and other inside baseball stuff that I am unfamiliar with.

Where do I start? I barely made it through season 2 of this show and bailed at some point in season 3. I have read this thread and random wiki entries since.
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In short, they turned the corporate version of Injustice Superman into Trump with a cape, and continued to shill for how stupid Evangelical Conservative Christians are.

I mean, they are, but that shouldn't be the main plotline of a superhero show. It should've been about transhumanism and how Homelander being a Superman without a Ma and Pa Kent fucked him up beyond repair. The main bad guy should've been Vought, as always.

Also, they fucking wasted Soldier Boy. Dude was the best character in the show, even better than Homelander, and he accomplishes jack fucking shit because the writers don't know what to do with him.

They are giving him his own show, but I don't expect much.

Save your time and go watch the Darth Maul show instead. Vader at the end of that show is what Homelander should've been.

Aelfled said:
Yes, yes, he's my favorite character and I'm a simp for him and Starr, so I'm biased, but it really doesn't make logical sense to me that Kripke & co were so set on the worst shittiest pathetic ending ever for him (I haven't watched it yet... I actually don't want to bc I know I'll cringe and just feel grim. I will, but god I'll need a stiff drink) as a nose thumb to any fans who liked HL best (& as the clear reason most ppl watched the show and its success), but bc of their Trump derangement syndrome, they seem to have cognitive dissonance that... of all the characters, don't they fucking realise they consistently gave him flashbacks or scenes detailing his horrific backstory more than anyone else?
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If they really wanted to entertain their TDS, they should've done what GI Joe did with drug lords and have a Trump expy be such an asshole, that both Homelander's Vought faction, as well as Starlight and her supporters, team up to take down the guy.

Have it so that, at first, Vought and Homelander/Soldier Boy support a barely-disguised expy of Trump because of nationalism, masculinity, and Vought wanting to court the American conservative audience. Then have the Trump expy launch tariff wars and mass deportations; the former devastate Vought's bottom line, the latter cause the Starlighters to rage in a frenzy.

Starlight and her supporters launch campaigns to protest against Trump, while the Vought shareholders pull Soldier Boy and Homelander aside and tell them to do something about the new president because the dude is devastating their profits. Eventually, the Trump expy tells Homelander and Soldier Boy to gear up and lead Vought's private army to join up with the rest of the US Military in attacking Iran. That's when Vought and Homelander draw the line, especially when more than a few generals tell Soldier Boy that invading Iran will be a complete shitshow.

HL/SB invade the White House, taking out the presidential security forces and the Secret Service, coinciding with a massive Starlighter protest, calling for the abolishment of ICE and freeing all the immigrants inside the detention camps, which distracts the Secret Service and the military enough for Homelander and Soldier Boy to launch a surprise attack. Starlight and her followers witness Soldier Boy and Homelander going to town with the Secret Service, killing the Trump expy and his entire cabinet, and Starlight doesn't know what to do. On the one hand, they just witnessed Vought launch a coup, but on the other hand, Vought is attacking a president that the Starlighters hate.

Vought installs a Vic the Veep-style patsy as the new president, ending the tariff wars and the mass deportations. On the one hand, Butcher and MM would let their hatred of Homelander and Soldier Boy dominate their thoughts, and they'd express horror at the idea that Vought just successfully deposed a sitting president in a country that is supposed to be a superpower. On the other hand, the Starlighters would be pleased that the new president is more amiable to liberal causes, especially since Vought doesn't want to alienate half the country.

This would then start the endgame phase of the story where Vought controls the White House, and the Boys would be in for the fight of their lives.

Zenos Yae Viator said:
and they start each episode off with bangers like this, its like WWE Promo's for the show.

I seriously cannot overstate how good this opening is.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EtjQVqXUPHo, list: RDEtjQVqXUPHo
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It's stuff like that where the East really outshines the West. Imagine if the Boys had a sort of music video opening similar to that, with scenes from the show playing alongside a hard rock/metal song that fits the themes of the show.

BubbaRobot887 said:
I am working my way through the Star Wars movies and they are so badly written, not once has a dying man offered to suck Vader's cock and eat his shit.
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I'm pretty sure Vader's dick has been thoroughly burned off after Mustafar. Otherwise, the man would've sired an army of bastards by now.
 
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