The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

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Just realized Sage had the same character arc as that monkey from Futurama who deliberately nerfed his own intelligence because he hated being smart. It would be good writing if it had actually been on purpose and that was her actual goal. It's a less stupid plan than "I am going to kill everyone so I can sit in a bunker and read books."
If I'd still been following the show at that point I would feel embarrassed for having watched it until then. What a stupid, caricatured, childlike portrayal of intellect. I've seen reviewers mention that this motivation felt poorly introduced or contrived, but people have yet to acknowledge just how... monumentally stupid this is. A fucking elementary schooler would come up with this. Really? And if you loathe humanity so goddamn much, what excites you about the prospect of reading its literature or history? Like it genuinely fascinates me that this explanation passed through the myriad filters between the writer's room and film set. What. The. Fuck.

It would've been better off if Starr had full control of his character.
It would have been better off if Starr had full control over the writing, period. Unironically. There's no way someone that invested in the believable portrayal of his character's inner life would be indifferent to the rest of the script if it became his responsibility. And while the man isn't a professional writer, I highly doubt he would come up with anything worse than the abysmal rendering of Sister Sage.

if they wanted a Teump parody, they should've done what they did with Elon Musk.
Casting Trump as an inept side character like Musk or, better yet, the comics' Vic the veep, would likely have irritated him far more than the grandeur of an overwrought parallel with genZ's most beloved villain anyway. And if it was satire they were going for, portraying him as an empty-headed avatar of corporate power would be more poignant (and accurate) than this trite cult motif they resorted to instead.

Here I respectfully disagree because I don't think it's about them having a different view on Good, but disliking the notion of Good all together. For someone to be good, someone must have agency, must have will and that opposes their blank slate philosophy, opposes their war on people you can look up to. Everything must be about the group and the system.
I wouldn't say they don't believe in the very concept of good. I think The Boys' America is a nihilistic funhouse reflection of the modern west's most grotesque cultural vices, a la the GTA series; the podcast, the tiktoks, etc. The key difference that makes The Boys tonally inconsistent, however, is that its group of characters do not succumb to the world they inhabit in the same way GTA's protagonists do, and instead try - successfully - to effect change. As a result the show aawkwardly vacillates between detached irony and mawkish sentimentalism, with this dissonance reaching a fever pitch in an astonishing "love conquers all!" sequence at the very end.
 
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And while the man isn't a professional writer, I highly doubt he would come up with anything worse than the abysmal rendering of Sister Sage.
You'd have to try to write a worse script than this. Dialogue is shit, character writing is shit, overarching plot is shit, jokes are shit. Everything about this show's script is shit. Writing in this show is like a bunch of dicks twisted into a knot, cumming on each other's balls (this might actually be a line in the show).
 
My problem is more so that Homelander is way too weak and incompetent even before being depowered and is defeated too easily.
Homelander can barely break through wooden walls, and yet the show kept trying to constantly present him as this world ending threat that no military could take out. A single tank or jet figther could kill Omelander and the US has thousands of them.
 
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Holy shit I completely forgot about that, yeah Butcher has fucking late-stage terminal cancer.

Even without his powers Homelander is a completely healthy dude and is in decent physical shape, even if he has zero training compared to Butcher just in their default unpowered states Butcher is in way worse shape than Homelander is, but he just beats the fuck out of him like he's the Mountain anyway, pulling Mortal Kombat fatalities on him with zero effort lmao

God the powerscaling in this show is nonsensical
I think we are supposed to assume his tumor was zapped away, which raises several questions (where did the tendrils go? why is he still desperate if he's no longer near death? can Kimiko just cure cancer now?), but Uroboros Butcher is poorly handled overall. The Jeffrey Morgan hallucination disappeared, he didn't commit to finally going rogue, his power level bounced around from sub-Soldier Boy tier to trading blows with Homelander, it's not clear if the mutation even counts as a supe, and the whole subplot only spawned so Starcunt could be right about toxic Hughie.
 
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More coping over the finale being rated worse than the one for Stranger Things on IMDB (it's only the MAGA chuds review bombing it, we swear!).
There are literally hundreds of mudslime bot accounts giving the finale a 1.0 rating because of the Deep's "brohammed" joke. Go the IMDB user reviews of the finale and you'll run into the spambots writing the same message about their pedophile prophet. And the accounts are all registered within the last week.
 
If I'd still been following the show at that point I would feel embarrassed for having watched it until then. What a stupid, caricatured, childlike portrayal of intellect. I've seen reviewers mention that this motivation felt poorly introduced or contrived, but people have yet to acknowledge just how... monumentally stupid this is. A fucking elementary schooler would come up with this. Really? And if you loathe humanity so goddamn much, what excites you about the prospect of reading its literature or history? Like it genuinely fascinates me that this explanation passed through the myriad filters between the writer's room and film set. What. The. Fuck.
Sage already had what she wanted before Homelander showed up. She was sitting in some dump reading books. For that to be her ultimate goal made zero sense. It would've made better sense if she was a true believer in Supe Supremacy and sought to use Homelander as a tool to usher that in. Throw that in with her manipulating Homelander and Soldier Boy against each other, then releasing a version of Compound V to the public that's safe for consumption for all humans, and she'd checkmate Butcher to the point where he cannot release the Supe-killing virus without killing all of mankind.

It would have been better off if Starr had full control over the writing, period. Unironically. There's no way someone that invested in the believable portrayal of his character's inner life would be indifferent to the rest of the script if it became his responsibility. And while the man isn't a professional writer, I highly doubt he would come up with anything worse than the abysmal rendering of Sister Sage.
Basically, the Boys' inherent value was the foundation set in Season 1, as well as the performances of actors like Karl Urban, Anthony Starr, Jensen Ackles, among others. Starr would've at least made sure his most memorable role went down fighting, or at least, with something memorable in a positive way that'd endear him to future great roles.

Casting Trump as an inept side character like Musk or, better yet, the comics' Vic the veep, would likely have irritated him far more than the grandeur of an overwrought parallel with genZ's most beloved villain anyway. And if it was satire they were going for, portraying him as an empty-headed avatar of corporate power would be more poignant (and accurate) than this trite cult motif they resorted to instead.
My point exactly. Make Homelander be his own villain, and have the Trump expy just be a side plot that would, in turn, lead to Homelander killing the president. Since Trump's actual policies in real life, like tariff wars and mass deportations, would fuck over a company like Vought, especially when the latter obviously engages in international trade and no doubt would have wage-slave immigrant labor, a Trump expy would naturally be a target for Homelander, who at this point, owns Vought. You can even have both the Vought shareholders and concerned politicians approach Homelander and push him and Soldier Boy to kill the Trump expy, to save Vought's bottom line AND the nation's prestige overseas. That would then lead to Vought putting someone like Vic the veep in charge as the new president.

Then, like I said, you'd have mixed reactions from the Boys. MM and Butcher, who are laser-focused on their hatred of Homelander and Soldier Boy, would be horrified that a sitting president was ousted by Vought superheroes and replaced with a Vought toady, but the more liberal members like Hughie and Annie would actually have mixed feelings, seeing as how they'd probably think the Trump expy is a monster, and maybe this is the one time they'd recognize that what Soldier Boy and Homelander did was positive.

I wouldn't say they don't believe in the very concept of good. I think The Boys was going for a nihilistic fun house reflection of the modern west's most grotesque cultural vices, a la the GTA series; the podcast, the tiktoks, etc. The key difference that makes The Boys tonally inconsistent, however, is that its group of characters do not succumb to the world they inhabit in the same way GTA's protagonists do, and instead try - successfully - to effect change. As a result the show also vacillates very awkwardly between detached irony and mawkish sentimentalism, going from typical "hopeless clown world" commentary to played-out revenge narrative to a "the power of love conquers all!" scene in the finale.
It's inconsistent because Season 1 did a more realistic job of exploring the world while Seasons 2-5 became political satire. Then of course, Kripke has to rely on the very same power of love trope for the heroes to win, when in reality, it should've ended like Man of Steel where a V1-powered Homelander would go full General Zod on DC before going down, making it more like a tragedy. That this sweet, innocent boy became a murderous, egotistical monster, and taking him down decimated the nation's capital. And the real villain should always be the Vought machine, because that machine farted out Homelander to begin with, and Stan Edgar was the one who approved of the operation to replace Soldier Boy with Homelander.

We need Anthony Starr in other series asap, else that is all he will be remembered for.
Hopefully he gets cast as Albert Wesker in some Resident Evil thing.

I watched the Vought Rising trailer: Plot will be that vought experiments on niggers with V and that's bad and racism. That's it, that's the whole plot. Calling it now, put me down as betting it all.
I can already picture it.
-African American "volunteers" are forced to take V, most of them die in horrific agony.
-One or two survive, angry that they were used as guniea pigs. Basically the Boys' answer to Invincible's Angstrom Levy.
-Becomes a villain who wants to burn the world down, and Soldier Boy/the other V1 heroes have to take him down.

I think we are supposed to assume his tumor was zapped away, which raises several questions (where did the tendrils go? why is he still desperate if he's no longer near death? can Kimiko just cure cancer now?), but Uroboros Butcher is poorly handled overall. The Jeffrey Morgan hallucination disappeared, he didn't commit to finally going rogue, his power level bounced around from sub-Soldier Boy tier to trading blows with Homelander, it's not clear if the mutation even counts as a supe, and the whole subplot only spawned so Starcunt could be right about toxic Hughie.
Where the fuck did Butcher's laser vision go? Why the hell did it disappear, but he became a Supe anyways? Wouldn't he be a bigger threat against Homelander if he had both the tentacle hentai powers AND laser-eyes?

Hell, they could've worked that in the ending where the tumor slowly takes him over, and he becomes more monster than man, which would necessitate Hughie killing him as some kind of Euthanasia operation.

The Boys writers could have only dreamed of writing a plot in the same galaxy as AoT and having a Protag-villain as good as Eren Yeager.
Anime will always win out over Hollywood's attempts at grimdark works.

Mostly because the former respects their audience, while giving them what they wanted.
 
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where did the tendrils go?
Homelander cut some of them off so I guess that means all his tumors are gone too, even though they come from inside him and he should still have a considerable mass remaining.

Where the fuck did Butcher's laser vision go? Why the hell did it disappear, but he became a Supe anyways? Wouldn't he be a bigger threat against Homelander if he had both the tentacle hentai powers AND laser-eyes?
The laser vision was when he was using temp V and the writers could still remember that Butcher was supposed to be a mirror image to Homelander. When he got permanent V he got a completely different power because even though the temp V always gave him and Hughie the same powers, V is a random magic potion so his power got rerolled. Yes, it's very dumb.
 
As with a lot of shows, the powerscaling sucks ass. If you as the author can't keep the strength of a character somewhat consistent because it's more convenient if you don't then you're a lazy faggot who shouldn't be involved in any artistic project.
 
I forgot to mention, but I would go as far as to say Homelander had a more sympathetic backstory than Omniman, and than Nolan did far more evil than Homelander ever did. Homelander doesn’t even come close to his kill count. Nolan casually brought a whole planet to near extinction in a random episode.

The biggest difference of course is that Homelander is hated by both the comics and show writers whereas Omniman isn’t, so he was even given a redemption story.
Omni-Man is a conqueror to begin with, superhero persona was just a disguise. At that point of their civilization, every Viltrumite is a weapon of mass destruction pointed at the stars. It wasn't easy for him to accept a different life, to abandon the mission given to him, knowing what that entails. It's a whole journey which is shown in the comic fairly well.
It's a different dynamic altogether IMO.
I watched the Vought Rising trailer: Plot will be that vought experiments on niggers with V and that's bad and racism. That's it, that's the whole plot. Calling it now, put me down as betting it all.
Wasn't that a plot in Winter Soyder? And some original Captain America comic books.
 
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