The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I can see why reddit absolutely adores this show. Most media at least makes an attempt to disguise the fact that it's propaganda but there's not even an attempt to obscure here, it's just a shot of pure uncut undiluted propaganda directly to the bloodstream.

Thing is, it's preaching to the choir. It won't convert people from the Right or the middle to the Left. Especially when it has all the subtlety of a mallet to the face. The thing is, if you do it like that, most people will puke out that undiluted propaganda injection into the bloodstream. You have to do it like slowly boiling a frog; slowly insert ideas that the fans might not agree with, in a way they might find pleasing.

More men have been convinced of girl power by watching movies/shows and playing video games where you have sexy powerful chicks who just kick ass and take names, than by shows and films that openly denigrate male characters in favor of female ones. Think of Ellen Ripley and how she's portrayed as a female badass and compare her to the open girl power propaganda of today and tell me which one is more effective in relaying the idea that ''girls get it done.''

In ten years it will be probably the best contemporary fiction depiction of our times.

Obviously not literal or the “best” as in quality.

Best as in a clumsy but accurate account of the propaganda and opinions through social media.

In about 20 years' time, it's going to look fucking dated. Especially once the Trump Mania/TDS dies down and people forget him.

 

[FinnSven]

In about 20 years' time, it's going to look fucking dated. Especially once the Trump Mania/TDS dies down and people forget him.

And?

That’s basically my point.
I am not saying it will be appreciated widely.
I am saying it will be more like a study aid.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I wonder how Season 5 will end. I mean, it's obvious that the January 6 thing will happen by the end of this season, especially with Singer mentioning the date openly. So what will they have for the next season, I wonder?

And?

That’s basically my point.
I am not saying it will be appreciated widely.
I am saying it will be more like a study aid.

A study aid into how people were so fucking obsessed with some orange man.

I mean, I suppose it'll be like what Farenheit 9/11 is to us now. It's actually kind of funny to remember that the Left was once so obsessed with taking 'Dubya down back in the early 2000s, only for him to mellow out and for them to move on and be obsessed with Trump, who back then was their ally.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

Could be a case that antony starr just doesnt want to do it anymore

At the rate streaming is going, he probably saw they were going to kill him off and replace him with a strong black female or a troon.

 

[Valstrax]

My mom's obsessed with this show and I can't understand why.

 

[Snack Cracker]

My mom's obsessed with this show and I can't understand why.

Karl Urban is a powerful lure

 

[Back me up!]

Karl Urban is a powerful lure

Ahhh Karl Urban. I like everything you do but it sucks that the one thing that really got tracken was this stupid goyslop.

 

[AWizard]

I mean, I suppose it'll be like what Farenheit 9/11 is to us now. It's actually kind of funny to remember that the Left was once so obsessed with taking 'Dubya down back in the early 2000s, only for him to mellow out and for them to move on and be obsessed with Trump, who back then was their ally.

I know I'm asking for trouble here but nobody who's actually left-wing thinks Dubya isn't anything but still a war criminal. Liberals are obsessed with Trump because they only understand politics in simplistic narratives.

 

[MirrorNoir]

In ten years it will be probably the best contemporary fiction depiction of our times.

Obviously not literal or the “best” as in quality.

Best as in a clumsy but accurate account of the propaganda and opinions through social media.

No it won't. It's going to age horribly and everyone outside of the guy who played Stan (who got the fuck out of dodge) and Urban will walk away from it with a career intact.

Ironically "The Good Fight" will be a better representation of the Trump/post-Trump years, because even with the vast amount of propaganda, they at least called out the left and it's hypocrisies even if it was just to yell about them in a half-assed attempt at showing reality in their work. Along with having the writers revolt against the show runners who wanted the main lead to dump her Republican husband.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I know I'm asking for trouble here but nobody who's actually left-wing thinks Dubya isn't anything but still a war criminal. Liberals are obsessed with Trump because they only understand politics in simplistic narratives.

From 2016 onwards, they fucking forgot about Dubya and focused all their hate on Trump, whereas 20 years ago Trump was their ally and Dubya was the Spawn of Satan to them.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

for scale pay meaning they basically worked for free.

$1000 is free to you? even if they stayed for an entire day of shooting (i doubt it, James Cameron shot all his entourage scenes before lunch) that still comes out to $70/hr; even if they were being paid scale on The Boys, thats still 30k a season,

What happened to him after Supernatural?

He's the exact same guy he was on Supernatural, its just that he knew being a raging kike would piss off people online so the BTS footage you saw was cut in a way to only show his good side. I swear this is a thing on both supernatural and the boys, them mocking fans for believing blatant PR like that.

In about 20 years' time,

you dumb asshole, all media looks dated if you go that far back. its more like how Ally Mcbeal or Murphy Brown vanished from the public's mind by the time they went off the air.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Every bit of dialogue in this is

"We have to go to Johnny Klepstein's island and prevent the evil doctor Hans Ravik from creating an army of superpowered child soldiers that are going to attack the white house on January 6th!"

Do people really think this shit is clever?

I've seen better political commentary in fucking Konosuba and episodes of Seinfeld.

I wonder how Season 5 will end. I mean, it's obvious that the January 6 thing will happen by the end of this season, especially with Singer mentioning the date openly. So what will they have for the next season, I wonder?

I’d like to take a moment to remind this thread that I called this development all the way back in season 3. I am sooo glad I stopped watching this slop because reading this thread just proves to me that I’m not missing anything.

Then Jan 6th happens so, of course, I see their Jan 6th sockpuppet insurrectionist characters in the season 3 trailer. Now at least they finally comprehend the fact that some people might worship Homelander as a god but everything in the show is just viewed through the lense of a 90 IQ leftwing writer. You guys realize that them helping Homelander siege the Whitehouse isn't a spoiler, right? It's literally the only logical conclusion of the subplot. Sorry if I ruined the "late season surprise" for you.

 

[TheHarbinger]

$1000 is free to you? even if they stayed for an entire day of shooting (i doubt it, James Cameron shot all his entourage scenes before lunch) that still comes out to $70/hr; even if they were being paid scale on The Boys, thats still 30k a season,

Read more carefully. They were not getting paid for working on The Boys. They were shooting a cameo for Gen V. A different show that they are not billed as the leads for. Homelander was in Gen V for all of one minute. And Butcher has a mid credits scene that took seconds. They probably lost money working those days because of the cost of transportation alone. One news article flat out said that they worked 'for free'.

I’d like to take a moment to remind this thread that I called this development all the way back in season 3.

There was a January 6th style insurrection in the comics. But instead of a bunch of retards dressed like vikings it was superheroes. So even without the Trump derangement obsession with the writers they probably would have done a similar storyline.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

There was a January 6th style insurrection in the comics. But instead of a bunch of retards dressed like vikings it was superheroes. So even without the Trump derangement obsession with the writers they probably would have done a similar storyline.

Yeah, I was aware that Homelander attacked the Whitehouse with a bunch of other super heroes in the comics. The Whitehouse getting attacked happens all the time in fiction.

The reason I stopped watching is because everything in this show post season 1 was executed in the gayest way imaginable.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

There was a January 6th style insurrection in the comics. But instead of a bunch of retards dressed like vikings it was superheroes. So even without the Trump derangement obsession with the writers they probably would have done a similar storyline.

So whenever people question them as to why they're having Homelander's insurrection happen so similarly to a real-world event, they can always just point to the comics and say that the comics did it.

The reason I stopped watching is because everything in this show post season 1 was executed in the gayest way imaginable.

That, and they started appealing to normie leftists, the same people who swallowed up the MCU and asked for seconds. You know, the very same people that Season 1 of the Boys was meant to parody.

 

[LecherousGranolaBar]

I quit this show after season 1 because I hate that they switched from binge view to weekly releases but I decided to watch the clips from this season where Homelander murders the scientists that tortured him growing up.

Not only were they hilarious but why did they make the scientist quite literally use the "I was just following orders" defense? Are they trying to make Homelander into Magneto? Because that's like basic Nazi defense shit lol.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I quit this show after season 1 because I hate that they switched from binge view to weekly releases but I decided to watch the clips from this season where Homelander murders the scientists that tortured him growing up.

Not only were they hilarious but why did they make the scientist quite literally use the "I was just following orders" defense? Are they trying to make Homelander into Magneto? Because that's like basic Nazi defense shit lol.

Homelander torturing those scientists is like what if a Holocaust camp survivor shoved a Waffen-SS officer who bullied him into the oven at Auschwitz. If they were trying to make us hate him, they're failing really bad.

Don't get me wrong, Homelander is still an evil motherfucker, but at least I can understand why he's like that. I can even sympathize with his situation.

 

[Still Exceptional]

Homelander torturing those scientists is like what if a Holocaust camp survivor shoved a Waffen-SS officer who bullied him into the oven at Auschwitz. If they were trying to make us hate him, they're failing really bad.

Don't get me wrong, Homelander is still an evil motherfucker, but at least I can understand why he's like that. I can even sympathize with his situation.

It really does make him a tragically sympathetic figure. The dude was tortured as a child, and in ways that are frankly reminiscent of the Holocaust (literally put into an oven, experimented on, hell the guy who invented Compound V was an actual Nazi.)
And while Homelander is still obviously the bad guy it really gets harder and harder to blame him for what he's become. He's a dog that was kicked every day since he was a puppy, of course he's going to bite the throat out of the people who kicked him and become vicious.

The man watched as people stood by and said nothing as a child was tortured. It really isn't surprising that he's come to absolutely despise humanity and hold himself above them. He himself might not be a good person (and is demonstrably a bad one) but he at least does understands that torturing a child like he was is wrong. And when even the bad guy tells you you're a horrible person for what you've done and has a point, it really should be an indicator of just how bad you are.

I honestly can't disagree with what he did to the scientists. Heck, I don't even believe his threat against Frank's family was legitimate. I honestly believe that if Frank had refused to get into the oven Homelander would have thrown him in there physically, possibly after breaking a few of his limbs.


The man was tortured into insanity, people should be glad he's not actively worse.

 

[Bolo_the_Second]

I really doubt Starr wants to do more of the boys than he absolutely needs too. Hes gone on record saying that its kinda pissing him off that people just call him homelander and think hes a psychopath whenever they meet him on the streets.

Starr wants out of this show as fast as possible. He is almost 50 and just now he got his break, so if he is going to get his big Hollywood roles, it's now or never, so he can't be held down by having his schedule full on "The boys".

And he better pray for whatever he gets for feature film role sticks, because otherwise he will be doing conventions in the Homelander costume.

Also, why do people think this shit is so much better than the comics?

I mean, sure, the comics ain't great, it is Ennis on his most annoying whining self and his perpetual juvenilia doesn't help with ass hamsters and all.

What, Superheroes and the corpos behind them suck? gee man, thanks for the updade, I didn't get that the first 50 times you said that.

But I thought Homelander was the most interesting idea Ennis had. It would be super easy to write Homelander as yet another evil Superman so many others have, power corrups ect etc etc, boring drivel.

But Homelander wasn't evil per si. Spoilers for the comic, but Homelander was driven mad by the pressure from both Butcher and Vought.

For most of the series Homelander was clueless about the incriminating photos Butcher had of him to the point he started to doubt his own sanity, and when he tried to play evil in front of a mirror, he even admited that was stupid as he was triying to make sense.

The whole point about Black Noir being a clone of his was needlessly corpo management fuck up from Vought, by trying to control a person as it was a product, they fucked up even worse than when they made said person invincible, and from there it was another fuck up on the tope of the other. That is the whole point of the book, a big middle finger to the big 2 and the shit management of their cardboard puppets who Enis claims to have fucked up the comics as a medium.

If left alone, Homelander would be just like any other supe in the book, yet another self-absorved hedonistic asshole, dangerously incompetent (as seen on 9/11) but mostly only interested in preserving his status and money. The interesting thing about Homelander is that he wasn't deep, or had some trauma or pathos, he was just a shallow superficial asshole that would stay one if both sides of the conflict didn't fuck up his feeble mind.

The concept behind Homelander was that he was mediocre man given the powers of a god, and like the mediocre man that he was, he broke down into madness when people way above him intellectually started playing games with him.

Now they gave him a kid, and some sob story background and people clap as if this is high class writing? fuck off. And now they want us to clap for yet another trite "Trump bad uhhmmkayyy" ?

Seriously? The one good idea the Book had and they didn't use...

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It really does make him a tragically sympathetic figure. The dude was tortured as a child, and in ways that are frankly reminiscent of the Holocaust (literally put into an oven, experimented on, hell the guy who invented Compound V was an actual Nazi.)
And while Homelander is still obviously the bad guy it really gets harder and harder to blame him for what he's become. He's a dog that was kicked every day since he was a puppy, of course he's going to bite the throat out of the people who kicked him and become vicious.

Exactly. Now you have a perfect explanation as to why John fucking hates humans and sees them as mud people. He saw the worst mankind had to offer; be they the doctors that experimented on him or the criminals that he fights. No shit, he'd hate regular humans just as much as fucking Magneto. Homelander even sounded like Magneto when he talked to Victoria about coming out as a Supe, and her being ashamed of what she was, when she should be proud of it.

The man watched as people stood by and said nothing as a child was tortured. It really isn't surprising that he's come to absolutely despise humanity and hold himself above them. He himself might not be a good person (and is demonstrably a bad one) but he at least does understands that torturing a child like he was is wrong. And when even the bad guy tells you you're a horrible person for what you've done and has a point, it really should be an indicator of just how bad you are.

Which is why most fans just applauded Homelander getting vengeance on the people who'd experiment on a child.

I honestly can't disagree with what he did to the scientists. Heck, I don't even believe his threat against Frank's family was legitimate. I honestly believe that if Frank had refused to get into the oven Homelander would have thrown him in there physically, possibly after breaking a few of his limbs.

Heck, most people in Homelander's position would just probably laser all the doctors in the lab, no words, no cake, just silently killing them all. But Homelander wanted to show them where they fucked up, and why he's killing them.

The man was tortured into insanity, people should be glad he's not actively worse.

He's actually trying to work within the system to gain power and fame, as opposed to other villains like Magneto who'd probably just threaten the UN to their faces and destroy a city or two if he feels like it.

But Homelander wasn't evil per si. Spoilers for the comic, but Homelander was driven mad by the pressure from both Butcher and Vought.

Uh, dude, Homelander was still evil. He forced himself onto Starlight with A-Train and Black Noir present. Sure, Noir pushed him into greater evil, but Homelander was no saint before that. He also killed that family in the Believe rally.

Also, why do people think this shit is so much better than the comics?

Because the comics were even more juvenile and had no real message. Even the whole ''superheroes suck'' message gets buried by the fact that Butcher and his team technically are supes thanks to them using Compound V. And at the end of the day, it's the same hand-wringing about how bad corporations like Vought are, which isn't really anything new. You can get the same message from fucking Captain Planet. The only thing Ennis added was hatred of Superheroes, as well as porn and gore for shock value. The hatred of Supes is hypocritical because the Boys are practically Supes thanks to their superpowered nature due to the use of V, and the gore and porn really doesn't add much outside of making things edgy.

If left alone, Homelander be just like any other supe in the book, yet another self-absorved hedonistic asshole, dangerously incompetent (as seen on 9/11) but mostly only interested in preserving his status and money. The interesting thing about Homelander is that he wasn't deep, or had some trauma or pathos, he was just a shallow superficial asshole that would stay one if both sides of the conflict didn't fuck up his feeble mind.

You just answered your own question as to why the show is more popular than the book. In the show, you have Anthony Starr's acting carrying a mentally deranged Supe with parental issues slowly degrading over time to the point where he's about to snap. In the comics, Homelander is just like any other dipshit obsessed over maintaining his image.

The concept behind Homelander was that he was mediocre man given the powers of a god, and like the mediocre man that he was, he broke down into madness when people way above him intellectually started playing games with him.

A mediocre man given the powers of a god, who was bamboozled into going bananas, versus a man with parental issues and the powers of a god, who's slowly snapping until he goes full nutcase, and he is fully aware of his evil. Gee, I wonder which one people will gravitate to more..........