The Boys - An Amazon Prime adaptation of the Ennis comic series

[Oats12345]

Seeing HL be genuinely protective and concerned over his son in the last episode really made the biggest shift in me thinking he was a freak to having more sympathy for him. If the writers were smart and wanted to drag it out for another 4 series, they'd do a redemption arc with him. As has been repeated ad infinitum, he does carry the show. There's plenty of other fine actors in the show, but his character is the glue. They will of course, never do that as they've outright said he's a Trump based character.

And in their eyes Trump is unredeamable. So that intresting concept can not be played out saddly. Makes you relaize uncreative these "everything is political" writers are

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

And in their eyes Trump is unredeamable. So that intresting concept can not be played out saddly. Makes you relaize uncreative these "everything is political" writers are

Honestly, Anthony Starr is great in this, it's the role of his lifetime. They should really take it everywhere they can. Put some stuff out in the press about "he's not a Trump voodoo doll any more". It would run for years. They'd make tons of cash.

 

[JimiHendrix]

Nevertheless Soldier Boy's blast should have influcted 4th degree burns at least

why tho? also not sure on the "why did she survive the blast?" maeve was continually stated to be the second most powerful super behind Homelander, Homelander himself even says this and from what we've seen isn't Soldier Boys blast concussive? Kimiko got hit with it and she wasn't burnt or anything.

correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the entire scary thing about the blast was it removed powers, not that it was purely destructive.

 

[Right To Bear Blarms]

why tho? also not sure on the "why did she survive the blast?" maeve was continually stated to be the second most powerful super behind Homelander, Homelander himself even says this and from what we've seen isn't Soldier Boys blast concussive? Kimiko got hit with it and she wasn't burnt or anything.

correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the entire scary thing about the blast was it removed powers, not that it was purely destructive.

I know this is capeshit spergery but everything about the last encounter seems like it wasn't planned ahead.

Everyone's powers depend entirely on what the plot requires at that given moment. Sometimes it's a big explosion, other times it's a giant Kamehameha beam that disintegrates anything it touches. And most importantly Soldier Boy will sometimes just stand perfectly still for 20 seconds while Starlight charges her big attack.

Homelander has been shown in season 1 to be fast enough to whisk Butcher away from the explosion at Stillwell's before it killed him but he fights Maeve with the agility of a barfly. Homelander and Soldier Boy are so overwhelmingly strong that they wrote themselves into a corner and couldn't figure out a way for them to lose without them completely throwing their fights.

Most of the action in the show could be entirely negated by the characters remembering their own powers.

 

[JimiHendrix]

I know this is capeshit spergery but everything about the last encounter seems like it wasn't planned ahead.

Everyone's powers depend entirely on what the plot requires at that given moment. Sometimes it's a big explosion, other times it's a giant Kamehameha beam that disintegrates anything it touches. And most importantly Soldier Boy will sometimes just stand perfectly still for 20 seconds while Starlight charges her big attack.

Homelander has been shown in season 1 to be fast enough to whisk Butcher away from the explosion at Stillwell's before it killed him but he fights Maeve with the agility of a barfly. Homelander and Soldier Boy are so overwhelmingly strong that they wrote themselves into a corner and couldn't figure out a way for them to lose without them completely throwing their fights.

Most of the action in the show could be entirely negated by the characters remembering their own powers.

yeah, you can't really fight an Evil Superman with no Kryptonite analogue if he actually uses his full powers.

this is why in the comic Homelander is killed by even more evil homelander.

 

[Flaming Dumpster]

Late and kinda gay but I unironically forgot about ep 8 until now.

Can't believe they wasted so much time with that wannabe Who Framed Roger Rabbit animation shit only for Homelander to send Noir to hell himself.

Kimiko yet again proven to be basically useless as even with powers restored she's too busy being "badass" to save Frenchie from copping a bullet. At least she isn't pretending to be above killing people now. Good on Frenchie for being such a master chemist he can work in a room filled with gunfire and broken equipment to produce this deadly nerve agent in like a minute.

RIP whoever was the lucky recipient of the nerve agent that Maeve tossed out of a window like it was nothing.

Also lol Starlight is useless too. Turn up all the studio lights, dramatically lift into the air while glowing and all she can do is knock Soldier Boy over, mildly stunning him.

Now it's all back to square one, nothing really changed, no characters of importance died and all those loose threads (What happened to Stan Edgar?) are left to dangle for a year or two while they crank out the next season. This show is so much wasted potential and I don't think I'll bother with season 4 whenever it shows up.

 

[Thirteenfifty]

Apparently black noir is already confirmed to be (kind of) returning in season 4. Sounds like they may be setting up black noir to play a similar role that he did in the comics as a clone dedicated to killing homelander when he gets out of control

One thing I noticed is how they couldn't resist putting in another small side plot this season showing a soyish white guy getting radicalized by the evil heroes. They always cast an actor that looks like the stereotypical nerdy white loser. It's funny that these characters end up looking pretty similar to the show's writers.

Random guy from Season 2 who murders an Indian convenience store clerk because he listened to Stormfront's ideas.
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Todd the stepdad, loves Homelander so much that he cheers when he murders someone right in front of him. He's obviously being set up to do something stupid next season.
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100% chance the step-dad gets killed by homolander next season

 

[TheHarbinger]

One of the writers confirmed in an interview that Maeve only survives because the writers did not want a fag character to die. So she has plot armor due to being a dyke and nothing else.

 

[Calzaghe]

One of the writers confirmed in an interview that Maeve only survives because the writers did not want a fag character to die. So she has plot armor due to being a dyke and nothing else.

I am not going to fall into the trope of killing off gay characters. I’m aware of it, [and] I agree with the criticism of it. I’m not going to do that as well. And I’ll admit that I think we’re playing around a little with that trope by letting people think she’s dead, and they’re going to shout at their TV and be really upset by it, but then [we] reveal she’s actually going to go have a nice, power-free life with her girlfriend. So hopefully that will take the sting off it.”

Kripke is such a fag

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

One of the writers confirmed in an interview that Maeve only survives because the writers did not want a fag character to die. So she has plot armor due to being a dyke and nothing else.

Kripke is such a fag

Good gravy. If you're killing off characters, it makes sense that some gays should die, too. I mean, wouldn't that be good drama? Wouldn't it show how the evil right-wingers who hate gays deserve to die, if you have a sympathetic gay character bite the bullet because of them? Wouldn't her dying to stop Soldier Boy from annihilating them all be a good send-off for Maeve? Or, if she's going to survive, why not have it so that she doesn't get hit by the beam, she's just grabbing SB from the back and they both fall from a tall height and get knocked unconscious by the fall?

I know this is capeshit spergery but everything about the last encounter seems like it wasn't planned ahead.

Everyone's powers depend entirely on what the plot requires at that given moment. Sometimes it's a big explosion, other times it's a giant Kamehameha beam that disintegrates anything it touches. And most importantly Soldier Boy will sometimes just stand perfectly still for 20 seconds while Starlight charges her big attack.

Homelander has been shown in season 1 to be fast enough to whisk Butcher away from the explosion at Stillwell's before it killed him but he fights Maeve with the agility of a barfly. Homelander and Soldier Boy are so overwhelmingly strong that they wrote themselves into a corner and couldn't figure out a way for them to lose without them completely throwing their fights.

Most of the action in the show could be entirely negated by the characters remembering their own powers.

Capeshit power levels and abilities are determined entirely by the plot. One thing you have to understand with superhero stories is that they can't be bothered to be realistic or consistent.

I mean, if all it takes to make a Supe like Homelander is some Compound V and some experimenting, then by now, Stan Edgar should have a dozen Homelander-esque goons that could snap the neck of the original. Superman's powers were unique to him because he is one of the few remining Kryptonians left, making his power hard to replicate. Homelander is just a filthy ningen who got experimented upon by a big pharma/media corporation to gain powers. What's to say the CIA, or some other big pharma company, or the military, can't cook up their own versions of Soldier Boy or Homelander? I'm certain that stealing the original Compound V formula or experimental methods that created Homelander or Soldier Boy would be child's play for some government spies. Or that they may have someone working within Vought who can leak the data to the Feds.

Really, this whole story only keeps going because the good guys, as well as everyone outside of Vought, act like idiots.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I mean, if all it takes to make a Supe like Homelander is some Compound V and some experimenting, then by now, Stan Edgar should have a dozen Homelander-esque goons that could snap the neck of the original.

Homelander is the son of Soldier Boy (and likely Stormfront). So his genes might be tailored specifically for Compound V enhancement. Most of the other super mutants are just random people who gifted their children to Vought or the occasional random person whom some Liberation Army dosed with V.

 

[LightDragonman1]

At this point, the only thing I want to see, given how messed up everything else is (along with how obnoxiously obvious the writers have made the show's commentary come off), is how exactly they are gonna adapt the big twist regarding how Homelander came to be, along with his demise.

Yeah, it didn't exactly come out of the best usage of foreshadowing and whatnot in the comic, but it was still very satisfying, along with recontextualizing everything about him seen before.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Homelander is the son of Soldier Boy (and likely Stormfront). So his genes might be tailored specifically for Compound V enhancement. Most of the other super mutants are just random people who gifted their children to Vought or the occasional random person whom some Liberation Army dosed with V.

And Soldier Boy was just some boarding school chump who got dosed by Compound V. And he's as strong as Homelander. Same goes for Stormfront; just some Nazi woman who got dosed up on V. And yet she was also as strong as Homelander, to the point where they were equal in power and they were tossing each other around during sex.

 

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[Power Glove]

Honestly, I believe it's also just a general problem with writers and studio politics. When something becomes successful it invites a too many cooks in the kitchen kind of situation. How many shows can you think of -within the last 10-20 years- that started really well and ended well? There was no "that" season that was dog shit? Sopranos? Hannibal (I liked season 3)? DareDevil (for now, until Disney brings it back and fucks it up)? What else?

In my own opinion that counts for very little, Parks & Rec.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

In my own opinion that counts for very little, Parks & Rec.

you're full of shit, season 3 onwards is practically an entirely different show. everything from the first two seasons was basically thrown out.

the first two seasons were like the british version while season 3 onwards was the american adaption of the same series.

Honestly, I believe it's also just a general problem with writers and studio politics. When something becomes successful it invites a too many cooks in the kitchen kind of situation. How many shows can you think of -within the last 10-20 years- that started really well and ended well? There was no "that" season that was dog shit? Sopranos? Hannibal (I liked season 3)? DareDevil (for now, until Disney brings it back and fucks it up)? What else?

ASOUE on netflix was amazing from start to finish, but that was only 3 seasons, 25 episodes, and practically all written by one guy. just the nature of tv in general you can't "end it well" it always has to overstay its welcome. its also subjective, for every person that will tell you the sopranos or lost had a great ending there are way more that will say its shit. even sitcoms, Seinfeld was an entirely goofier show once Larry left, the down to earth vibes shifted into crazy almost IASIP style antics. friends lost its appeal once everyone was married with kids.

BBT and The middle feel like they were perfect the entire run, but someone will say otherwise.

 

[Sithis]

I've seen a lot of speculating on Soldier Boy and why he threw away the shit with Homelander, and just wanted to throw in my 2 cents that it's part of another trope, "sins of the father" they seem to be doing on a couple different fronts.

Butchers dad was an abusive alcoholic who played him and his brother against each other and eventually his actions led his brother to take his own life, and if you weren't quick enough to catch on, they explicitly state that Butcher is repeating that pattern with Hughie and will end up getting him killed because he doesn't actually care about him as much as he does his anger.

Homelander comes out looking mildly better than the others because he accepts his sins. He knows he has killed people who he might not have even meant to and knows what it means so when Ryan says he's afraid HL is mad at him over Becca, he instantly connects, he instantly empathizes which I think is something new for HL and part of where they'll take his development.

For Soldier Boy, his dad was an abusive shithead who never thought he measured up. Fittingly, even with his son being the strongest supe in the known world to that point, HL doesn't measure up. Soldier Boy is a fraud etc but that's not why he fights Homelander, they fight because Soldier Boy is now playing out the role of his own father.

Ryan's big development arc will probably see him dabble a bit into becoming like Homelander. Even with how the comic goes, this version of Butcher is more sympathetic and people love Karl Urban, so I predict they'll rewrite him somehow and he'll die after sacrificing himself for Ryan and Hughie or some shit which will make Ryan snap out of it and break the cycle.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Wasn't Supernatural godawful? That's what that Eric dude is known for outside of this, which would explain his dumb ass statements.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Wasn't Supernatural godawful? That's what that Eric dude is known for outside of this, which would explain his dumb ass statements.

Season 1 to 5 were actually really good. Jensen Ackles carries the show and is an absolute bro. Problem is that the show was planned out for 5 seasons, but they stretched it to 15 seasons because of how just popular and how much of a money making machine it was.

There are still some great moments moving forward, but it's definitely a case of diminishing return. It's definitely the best thing the CW ever made, alongside Reaper.

The first 5 seasons are definitely better than the Boys. Most of the latter seasons, too.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

The writer also confirmed that, yes, they wanted to imply that Maeve could have actually taken out Homelander if their fight went on long enough.