The Amazing Digital Circus - Western Isekai that probably will become Hazbin Hotel killer

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It's actually pretty incredible how much the entire show would've been improved if the second episode was spent with the entire cast telling Jax to kill himself over and over until he pussied out and finally did it.
At least that way there might've been an actual fucking finale, and we wouldn't have wasted effectively all character development on tranny beaner rabbit who dies anyway.
 
DickMain said:
It's the same as all of this bullshit but with a spritz of tranny themes sprinkled in. FNAF is the ground zero for all of what you could call Deeploreslop, and there have been no shortage of hacks looking for their slice of wikiporn. Once you get that fandom going they sustain your property on pure theoryshit alone. It doesn't even have to be a show, as in TADC's case, but there are plenty of those too. Just off the top of the dome you have FNAF, Bendy, Hello Neighbor, Poppy's, and so on.
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We already know too much lore gives too much plotholes, if you aren't well versed in literature and spazzing out to the point you reveal shit like Vivanne or is a Tranny like Troonworse then you can write something. I'm compelled to even argue that Stephiene Myers is a better writer then Gooseworx atp.
 
LiquidKid said:
Everywhere you see people who are industry and industry adjacent claiming there’s a “indie animation boom” and that it as golden age for indies… despite the only real successes being Digital Circus, Hazbin Hotel, and Helluvaboss
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So... Murder Drones doesn't count? I guess it's because it didn't become very popular until TADC came along. As I've been saying, Digital Circus is partly responsible for Murder Drones' late-blooming popularity.
 
Egress said:
Post them up around your local community college
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Im gonna end up being at it all day, I am gonna put it in cereal boxes at walmart, or under the boxes, everywhere.

HEAR YE HEAR YE. JAX IS ABSTRACTED! THEY ARE ALL BRAIN SCANS!

Tbh Goose was not really subtle with the Jax abstracting thing at all, everyone KNEW it would happen. Helen Keller even forsaw it coming!
 
Learning Wall said:
So... Murder Drones doesn't count? I guess it's because it didn't become very popular until TADC came along. As I've been saying, Digital Circus is partly responsible for Murder Drones' late-blooming popularity.
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Murder Drones was popular, but nowhere near digital circus and it’s often left out of the conversation. At this point only gooners mention Murder Drones
 
LiquidKid said:
None of them have had anything but positive things to say about the managers
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Are the managers in question Kevin Lerdwichagul? Also, what do they say about Luke Lerdwichagul?
LiquidKid said:
Controversial people that make them want to lash out because they don’t like everything that person has done.
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Who are the "controversial" people, and what have they done to make themselves controversial?
LiquidKid said:
Keep in mind, these people are spergs who couldn’t make it in Hollywood because they weren’t willing to take notes on their precious passion projects.
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LiquidKid said:
the ones who just don’t like the idea that they weren’t given $40 million to make their an incoherent consequent passion project that’s secretly about their struggles with sexuality and mental illness.
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What do you mean?
 
Symbol of the Chud said:
It's actually pretty incredible how much the entire show would've been improved if the second episode was spent with the entire cast telling Jax to kill himself over and over until he pussied out and finally did it.
At least that way there might've been an actual fucking finale, and we wouldn't have wasted effectively all character development on tranny beaner rabbit who dies anyway.
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It's insane how much genuine seething Jax causes to people all over the web to the point they genuinely wish this kind of thing to him

I wouldn't have minded Jax being the centerpiece of the drama at all, but you can tell the show doesn't really have that much time anymore with how many shit got rushed, the first 4 episodes were spent giving some character development for the other characters not named Jax (not enough in my opinion, and all of them are rushed or happened offscreen in later episodes), but then 5 and 6 suddenly shifted him into the spotlight, and THEN 7 and 8 shifted back into the Caine plot, somewhat putting Jax to the backburner again, before finally having Jax as the centerpiece for the finale.

It's almost schizo to see what aspect the show likes to focus on, but just kind of ends up half-assing everything, even the character they gave the most attention to, Jax, feels rushed as well, with all of his backstory and inner conflict explored and resolved in the finale, the earlier episodes try to be simple wacky adventures with some brewing character conflicts and arcs, but when it's time to actually kickstart these arcs into high gear, the show still intersplices these important narrative beats with more wacky stuff, and just leaves a lot of undercooked aspects of the complete narrative.

Goose set 9 episodes for himself to work on; he should have focused to the aspects he thinks works best, if he wanted silly adventures, then make it simple fun, if he wanted a carefully constructed melodrama surrounding the cast, he should have established that from the very beginning, scale back the comedy, make Jax be PART of the ensemble instead of outshining the other people (like what happened to Ragatha), and cut the Caine plot entirely or make it something less major, if he wants Jax to be this tragic character that forms the heart of the story, establish and build his arc throughout the series, instead of putting it on just some specific episodes.

He made the mistake a lot of amateur writers do (and I know this from experience), he loved all of these aspects and wanted to fit all of it into his dream show, but it all just came out messy and somewhat unsatisfying in the end.
 
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LiquidKid said:
Thanks to Glitch doing a lot of hiring specifically from the Southern California animation scene, which I have a lot of connections in(no one truly worth while that I would personally brag about) I do happen to know a few people who work for Glitch.
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thank you for verifying some of the stuff I have seen from channels like clownfish and a few other youtubers. I thought they were playing up some of the issues in the scene for clickbait but what you have said matches pretty closely with what they have been saying for a while now.
 
Swagmaster69 said:
Are the managers in question Kevin Lerdwichagul? Also, what do they say about Luke Lerdwichagul?

Who are the "controversial" people, and what have they done to make themselves controversial?


What do you mean?
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First, there’s only so much I can talk about before it narrows down my irl identity to the point of me getting pressed up about it irl, so I’m not going to go that deep.

As for what I meant is that there’s a lot of people who pitch cartoons. Like, a LOT a lot. Thousand a year, and every one of these young and bright eyed upstarts think their passion project is totally awesome and will be a hit among hits that will usher them into stardom where they get to create what they want all day every day. But that’s far from the case: the overwhelming majority of shows are awful on the pitch phase, and many times even the original pilot is bad. Any show you’ve ever seen ever went through hundreds of revisions, redevelopments, and refinement, often with producers and other hired help to make it into the show it was at the end. Yes, some shows get butchered in some ways, but the majority of them are a vast improvement and often times when they’re still bad, it just shows how much work was needed. The successful creators are the ones that learn what mechanics and structures need to be present in show and aren’t afraid to take notes and criticism constructively. Often times when I see indies or meet indie creators, they think their vision is paramount and nothing could ever be wrong with it and the shows and scripts and designs you end up seeing are all garbage as a result. Many of the people at glitch are the ones who didn’t learn this, didn’t succeed, and are now jaded and thing the issue was the system and not their lack of critical ability. I could go into greater detail, but that would be better suited for a different thread or a DM as a lot of it is stuff normal people have no interest in learning about.

General Zoider said:
thank you for verifying some of the stuff I have seen from channels like clownfish and a few other youtubers. I thought they were playing up some of the issues in the scene for clickbait but what you have said matches pretty closely with what they have been saying for a while now.
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I’ve never found any YouTube channel that has actual information, in fact a lot of the drama and inside stories they report tend to contradict stuff u experienced personally. But that doesn’t mean a broken clock can’t be right every now and then. But definitely assume all of that is click bait.
 
LiquidKid said:
Murder Drones was popular, but nowhere near digital circus and it’s often left out of the conversation. At this point only gooners mention Murder Drones
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Bridging this from the previous post since its somewhat relevant, but this is mostly an excuse to talk shit about Murder Drones, its for those in here who aren't aware what the series actually entails.

Liam Vickers (LV) actually had a more focused vision on what he wants his show to be about: Monster Creatures and a massive dose of internet humor combined with a mystery plot, that's it, but somehow, his show turned out to be way more of a fucking mess than the Digital Circus, which at least kept its suspension of disbelief for the most part, MD threw it out of the window from the opening minutes to the finale, he cannot separate his 2010s-era memeing from the actual horror-based narrative concurrently happening and it all just resulted in possibly the worst case of tonal dissonance I had the displeasure of seeing for myself, whatever serious attempt at a narrative it was trying to portray completely fell apart.

Even funnier, the show actually even tried to make some level of character drama among the characters, and yes, all of it was rushed, ignored, and/or happened off-screen, since 95% of the runtime was dedicated to memes and cryptic storytelling, very little was actually dedicated to the part of the story that precisely needed the time and breathing room required to pull it off competently.

This is a reminder that just because the concept is unique doesn't exactly make it good.
 
BigJoey41X said:
Bridging this from the previous post since its somewhat relevant, but this is mostly an excuse to talk shit about Murder Drones, its for those in here who aren't aware what the series actually entails.

Liam Vickers (LV) actually had a more focused vision on what he wants his show to be about: Monster Creatures and a massive dose of internet humor combined with a mystery plot, that's it, but somehow, his show turned out to be way more of a fucking mess than the Digital Circus, which at least kept its suspension of disbelief for the most part, MD threw it out of the window from the opening minutes to the finale, he cannot separate his 2010s-era memeing from the actual horror-based narrative concurrently happening and it all just resulted in possibly the worst case of tonal dissonance I had the displeasure of seeing for myself, whatever serious attempt at a narrative it was trying to portray completely fell apart.

Even funnier, the show actually even tried to make some level of character drama among the characters, and yes, all of it was rushed, ignored, and/or happened off-screen, since 95% of the runtime was dedicated to memes and cryptic storytelling, very little was actually dedicated to the part of the story that precisely needed the time and breathing room required to pull it off competently.

This is a reminder that just because the concept is unique doesn't exactly make it good.
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MD's tonal dissonance starts to make sense when you realize that MD was initially conceived as a slice-of-life comedy that just happened to have minor eldritch horror elements.

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At one point, Liam thought the eldritch elements were more interesting, and that's when he decided that MD should be about eldritch horror.

Liam probably got too confident thinking he could write eldritch horror, given that he spent his teenage years writing creepypastas, judging by his first channel he created in 2013, Scary Story Time With Liam.
 
Milkmaid Man said:
Nah. Even demons know right from wrong. Troons are more like bacteria. Just exist to make everyone else sick and refuse to think beyond their perceived innate programming.
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To quote Nostalgia critic, they'll like mononucleosis : they never fully go away, and they often put you to sleep


Alternatively, they’re also like Jewish golems


Snake of Diamond said:
Starting to see a few more people try to call this stuff out but usually when I do see it they pussyfoot. There's an elephant in the room that these types of shows are popping up way too frequently and end up going down this very route. It's about the same with Indie gaming too there's way too much of this stuff coming out that follows the same formulas and made by the same types of people.
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It's because they're all made by faggots, troons and shitskins. That's why they can't call it out : because then they'd have to admit that these people are inferior and deserved oppression
 
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