Opinion The Alec Baldwin Conundrum

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Alec Baldwin got to play his dream role last week, and unfortunately for an innocent woman, it was a method-acting version of Ted Kennedy. Now, you note that I am mocking a guy whose probable gross negligence killed a lady and maimed a man, and this raises an important question – do we really want to live in a world where our reaction to a tragedy caused by an enemy is not sorrow and compassion but mockery?


It doesn’t matter what we want. We do live in such a world, in large part due to the likes of Alec Baldwin. Besides his scuzzy abuse of the people – notably women – in his orbit, he is a particularly loathsome social media presence, and as a result, conservatives are gleefully resurrecting his old tweets about guns and his wish for them to be used on his many, many enemies in the wake of his horrible act. There are many, many such tweets. I am not a believer in karma and do not fear it, but I do try to keep a respectful distance from irony.

Note that arguments that this somehow hurts the families of the victims are weak – “My beloved relative has died – I shall seek solace on Twitter” seems far-fetched. Moreover, the families might be mortified to see people taking apart the architect of their pain? Doubtful. If anything, the practical effect of slamming Six Gun Alec is making people think, “Gosh, better not play with firearms lest people on Twitter roast me.”

But there is a legit question of how we should respond to this. There have been two different reactions among those on our general side of the fight to the reactions to Alec Baldwin’s fall from, well, not exactly grace. One is to recoil with horror at the accident and assert that this is a time when we should offer our thoughts and prayers for the victims and for Baldwin, who one would hope is devastated by what he has done. Nice people tend to have this reaction, those who want to live in a more genteel world than we do. I sympathize, in that I would like to live in such a world. I would also like a unicorn pony.

Then there was the opposite reaction, in which our folks ran up the score, skewering the gun control zealot’s failure to zealously control his gun. This is playing by the new rules of gladiatorial combat in the cultural coliseum. Those burned out on the lies and calumny we are bombarded with daily tend to go this way; they are angry, and they are more than willing to give Alec a good, hard dose of his own medicine. That’s certainly my inclination. A tweet for a tweet, so to speak.

So, I sympathize with both options, and I cannot get upset at people for choosing one over the other. If you want to go gentle, cool, and if you want to go hard, okay. After all, the rules are the rules, and there can only be one set of them. In the world I would want to live in, we would all be at Option A, whispering a silent prayer for the hurting – and I did. But this is not the world we live in, and none of us are under any moral obligation to pretend we do. This is a world where the rule is that you take an opening in the enemy’s line and you drive a couple divisions hard right through it.

Alec Baldwin is a bad person, but more than that, he is a bad person who hates us with a mortality rate thanks to his hypocrisy. And now he is vulnerable, and the rules say he is fair game – his rules. Is it significant that this amoral, leftist, Trumpophobic gun grabber has personally executed more mass shootings than any Christian conservative Trump-loving NRA member? Not in any kind of intellectual sense – it’s just a thing that happened – but it makes a helluva meme.

The argument for being nice is that 1) we should live the way we wish to live, that is, model the way we want the world regardless of how the world actually is and set the example; 2) we are better than that; and 3) Jesus tells us to. Of these, No. 3 is the most compelling – the hardest part of Christianity is loving your enemies. Perhaps you can do that even as you tweet that the fifth rule of gun safety is never give Alec Baldwin a gun. Jesus wasn’t a pinko hippie; he confronted and told hard truths. And despite the injunction to turn the other cheek, Christians are not pacifists. After all, many soldiers are Christian and they kill their enemies, so you must be able to be a Christian and point out through biting sarcasm that Alec Baldwin is awful too.

As for us modeling to the world, does that ever work? Has us not matching punch for punch with the cultural left ever made them hold up and think, “Gosh, the conservatives’ refusal to stoop to my level has made me rethink this whole pursuit of power thing – I will forgo it and return to the norms of yesteryear”? Of course not. George W. Bush famously remained above the fray and they only stopped vivisecting him when he joined them in vivisecting us.

As for us being “better than that,” I’ll take being just as bad as that and not being a cultural serf over the David French position, which is the converse.

The argument for Option B is that you can’t go back to the past paradigm where you didn’t hit ‘em when they were down without punishing them for hitting us when we were down. Pain is the teacher. Of course, this assumes a paradigm not in evidence; we were never quite that pristine. I remember that within days of the Challenger accident, cruel jokes circulated across campus. Gallows humor has always existed, and there’s no reason it shouldn’t – maybe we’d just prefer a scenario where we acknowledge it’s appalling even as we laugh in spite of ourselves.

The premise of Option B is that we have to fight fire with fire, though that analogy always puzzled me. Rather, in combat you use the necessary weapons. Nazis and communists used guys with guns to attack us; we used guys with guns to kill them. Was there a moral difference, since everybody used guns, asks the moral illiterate? Yes. The other guys were Nazis and communists, and shooting them was a moral imperative because they were Nazis and communists. Our mean tweets are in the service of light, theirs are on the side of darkness.

To not engage on the terms that reality has set before you is to accept defeat. You might not like the rules, but there they are. In a society that has made the rule that you pummel your opponent when he is down, to not play by the rule is to unilaterally disarm.

Those nice folks on our side don’t see it that way – they see it as embracing decency. But lately, “decency” has translated as submission and, not being Bulwark staffers, we’re not into that scene.

The bad guys want us to be “decent” too – but not because of decency but because it makes their lives easier when we are hamstrung in response to their cultural aggression. We’re not supposed to make jokes about Alec Baldwin’s idiocy for the same reason we’re not supposed to make jokes about men pretending to be women pretending to be admirals. Humor, especially mean humor, is subversive. The leftist joke stasi wants the potential for subversion off the table.

Think of it as the Cold War. Option B is mutually assured destruction – if you launch social media cruelty at our misfortune, you will pay in spades, so don’t. Option A is unilateral disarmament. Nice people on our side want us to disarm to make us better people; our enemies want us to disarm to make us better targets.

So do as you wish about Alec Baldwin. If you want to remain in the light and offer your condolences, do so. Like I said, I’ve muttered a prayer for him and his victims because my faith tells me to do so and loving only your friends is kind of a meaningless exercise. I don’t like Alec Baldwin (though I really enjoy his acting). He’s awful. So I’m also going to talk bad about him and his hypocrisy and negligence.

Those are the rules we’re playing by today. I didn’t make the rules. I don’t like them. I’m even willing to return to the old ones, once enough pain has been inflicted to teach the necessary lesson about changing the rules. But I am not willing to play by a different set of rules that limits me at the expense of my opponents.

That’s the conundrum. I want a nice world, but I can’t get it just by being nice. So leftists, let me know when you want to change the new rules back. Until then, they are in effect.
 
I'm not going to lie, I'm actually shocked by just how many Farmers basically came out to simp for Baldwin. He's a well known shithead and has been for a long ass time, but oh no guys lets go easy on the Hollywood lolcow, he must be feeling just awful about this.
The people slobbing Alec's knob are all ones that I'd already clocked as being faggots. No real surprises here.
 
Now retærded conservatives are rallying behind a fake news article spread by a tik tok guy that Baldwin murdered this woman because she was making a documentary about pedos.
https://archive.md/DjLF9
 
I had some fun trolling SNL over this.
And I fully support anyone making Alec Baldwin's life miserable life more miserable. He's always been a vile, hateful human being.
I honestly do feel horrible for for the slain woman and her family, though. I hope they take Alec for everything he has, and I hope that thot armorer is jailed.
 
it's not "playing by new rules" it's you realizing that they apply both ways... typical hand-wringing from a journo when their own tactics are turned against someone they like or have a vested interest in saving.

"No! no! You don't understaaaaaaaaaaaaand! Unlike you, we're special, you see, pain hurts us"
 
Now retærded conservatives are rallying behind a fake news article spread by a tik tok guy that Baldwin murdered this woman because she was making a documentary about pedos.
https://archive.md/DjLF9
Well Hollywood would be a good place to start. Gotta work your way up to Washington DC but both places are filled with chomos.
 
Like I said, I’ve muttered a prayer for him and his victims because my faith tells me to do so
If you're only doing it because you have to, then it doesn't count, and you missed the point entirely. You might as well just not do it. You're not getting any credit for it.
 
Ludicrously rich Hollywood star who is also the executive producer encourages unsafe working practices to the point that the experienced staff walk off because they don't feel safe and the inevitable takes place.

What is the conundrum? I'm not saying charge the guy. I don't think it would stick. But I don't see how he isn't responsible for what happened. They obviously had an idiot incharge of the guns. It isn't like he was some poor, first time actor just trying to make a name for himself who couldn't push back or risk ever working again. He's Alec fucking Baldwin. If he wanted a better armorer he would have gotten one.
 
It might be worth to bump this thread by mentionning that article from the NY Post.

Alec Baldwin “intentionally” fired a gun toward cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the “Rust” movie set, disregarding set protocol in the deadly shooting, according to a new lawsuit filed Wednesday.

“I saw Alec going through his movement with the gun for the camera,” said Mamie Mitchell, the script supervisor on set who called 911 when Baldwin shot and killed Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza on Oct. 21.

“I was holding my script in my left hand and had taken out my iPhone and opened up my photos to check the continuity on his shirt and vest.,” she said. “Then an explosion. Deafening loud gunshot.”

“I was stunned. I heard someone moaning and I turned around and my director was falling backwards and holding his upper body and I turned around toward Alec and saw Halyna going down to the left of me.”
 
29 days and she's still dead at Baldwin's hand. All his faux piety can't undo that.
 
I saw a interesting blog post about Alec Baldwin latest move.
December 2, 2021

Has Alec Baldwin had a psychological break or is this a tryout for his defense?​

By Pandra Selivanov

We’ve all heard the slogan “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people,” and human nature seems to bear out that bit of wisdom. The beginning of the book of Genesis recounts the story of Cain and Abel, two brothers who had a fatal falling out long before guns were invented. The only human remains found in the La Brea Tar Pits of Los Angeles belonged to a young woman who seems to have been a homicide victim 9000 years ago, again, long before guns were invented.
Even after the invention of guns, people continue to kill each other with everything from common household implements to exotic poisons to complicated bombs. The most rabid gun-control advocates generally concede that guns don’t jump up and shoot someone of their own accord.

I suspect even Alec Baldwin, before he killed Halyna Hutchins on the set of his movie Rust, would have agreed that a gun can’t shoot someone of its own accord. Be that as it may, Baldwin sat down for an interview with ABC News to insist that he did not pull the trigger on the gun that fired the bullet that killed Halyna.
I’m sure Baldwin is genuinely grief-stricken at what he has done, perhaps so grief-stricken that he’s having some kind of mental dislocation in which he honestly believes the gun somehow went off by itself without any help from him. He says, “I would never point a gun at anyone and then pull the trigger, never.” Perhaps he truly wants to believe that somehow the gun pointed itself at Halyna and pulled its own trigger.
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Image: Alec Baldwin indicting the gun. YouTube screen grab (cropped).
Since the day he took Halyna’s life, Baldwin has said and done some things that at best could be considered odd. He paraded his family all over the Internet for Halloween to show what a happy holiday his children were having, while Halyna’s little boy Andros was mute with grief. He called for police to be on movie sets to monitor safety when guns are being used, a suggestion the police find ridiculous. The NRA is the preeminent gun safety organization in America today, but Alec Baldwin still would never consider using NRA members on a movie set.
Baldwin still doesn’t think gun safety is his responsibility and, in the ABC News interview, he says that Halyna’s death is the worst thing that has ever happened to him. I would think Halyna’s death is the worst thing that ever happened to her, and her parents and husband and child, but I digress.
The salient point is that Alec Baldwin has found the perfect way to avoid any responsibility for causing Halyna’s death and to make himself into a victim of the tragedy that he caused. In his mind, guns do kill people, and the people who are holding the guns, pointing them at another human being, and pulling the trigger are just the innocent bystanders.
 
Sorry for the double post but Alec Baldwin closed one of his Twitter accounts.
Alec Baldwin has deleted one of his two Twitter accounts following his tell-all interview with George Stephanopoulos about the shooting incident that took place on the set of the movie “Rust.”

The actor had two verified Twitter accounts, one of which he was much more active on and was the one he used to previously issue statements about the fatal shooting incident that took place on the set of Rust. However, following his interview last week, it seems the star has completely deleted the account labeled @AlecBaldwin.

However, his account @AlecBaldwln_ remains live with the latest tweet being from October 19.

Prior to that, it was only active in June.
 
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