Temtems - A Failed Attempt At A Pokeclone

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Yeh
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This has been the top review all month
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Instead of some guy's sob story about getting divorced, I like the 7 hours on record
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Temtem had it's first significant upturn in a long-ass while. About two and a half weeks worth of fall negated, and just when it started to creep below 1k...

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There's three potential factors in this.

1: They've made an update announcement about the next island. Not too much info revealed, tbh, aside from plans to drop it in Mid-July and FINALLY revealing something about the bone-headed Temtem. It's pre-evo is called Kuri and is number 100, so presumably that tem taking up most of the boxart is #101. A good number choice, at least.

They also revealed it with panning shots that are impossible to see in game because it's sucking pokemon Nostalgia with it's camera angles beyond any reasonable limit.

Personal guess, this was definitely revealed in response to the dropping playercount.

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2: The two temtem in this week's saipark are both rare, both luma-available (which is always the more preferred option), and highly popular in terms of effectiveness, either in early pve or in pvp.

3: The very soon SwSh dlc direct may have reignited some interest in Temtem.
 
This is a doublepost, but it's a month apart so w/e.

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There's not enough :story: in the world.

Apparently, their initial attempts to do so were stymied by a lack of official translations. People have since insisted this is possible, but most of the replies boil down to 'there's not really a solution... well, there's - this - but it's not widely accepted'.

I'm curious. Do we have any Native German or French language speakers around? Have you heard these new solutions used in real life? How did they sound?

Anyways, that's all for 'Disc mocks a game that continues to lose to the weakest Main Pokemon games.'
 
This is a doublepost, but it's a month apart so w/e.

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There's not enough :story: in the world.

Apparently, their initial attempts to do so were stymied by a lack of official translations. People have since insisted this is possible, but most of the replies boil down to 'there's not really a solution... well, there's - this - but it's not widely accepted'.

I'm curious. Do we have any Native German or French language speakers around? Have you heard these new solutions used in real life? How did they sound?

Anyways, that's all for 'Disc mocks a game that continues to lose to the weakest Main Pokemon games.'
I actually forgot about this game until this post reminded me. Are they seriously focusing more on neutral language in translations than actually finishing the fucking game?
 
French speaker here; these guys are fucking retarded. Everything is gendered in french. FUCKING. EVERYTHING. So, good luck ungendering things ya dumb cunts.
 
French speaker here; these guys are fucking retarded. Everything is gendered in french. FUCKING. EVERYTHING. So, good luck ungendering things ya dumb cunts.
Correct me if I'm wrong but there's a bunch of people tasked with maintaining the French language and what new words officially make it in, right?
 
I actually forgot about this game until this post reminded me. Are they seriously focusing more on neutral language in translations than actually finishing the fucking game?
You say this like the Spanish programmers and the french/german translators will have anything to do with each other.

Besides, this game is in a beta phase, it's a fine time to address typos and other textual tinkering.

I don't think that wanting people to help with your text is inherently stupid, but I do think trying to force gender neutrality into a gendered language is.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but there's a bunch of people tasked with maintaining the French language and what new words officially make it in, right?
Fuck if I know, I tend to rely on autocorrect fixing shit when I gender stuff wrong because 90% of the time it doesnt make sense. Example; Voiture, automobile, and véhicule all pretty much mean the same thing. One of these is masculine, one is feminine, and one is both masculine and feminine at the same time. The french language is a fucking mess.
 
You say this like the Spanish programmers and the french/german translators will have anything to do with each other.

Besides, this game is in a beta phase, it's a fine time to address typos and other textual tinkering.

I don't think that wanting people to help with your text is inherently stupid, but I do think trying to force gender neutrality into a gendered language is.
Yeah, fair enough, I quickly skimmed the Tweet and thought they were waiting until French/German translations were available. I have no idea how I came to that conclusion after reading it again.

How well are they doing following their roadmap?
 
Besides, this game is in a beta phase, it's a fine time to address typos and other textual tinkering.
Yes, but at this stage that should more more of a side project. They technically haven't even finished creating the basic standard areas yet, and probably haven't finished their accompanying Fakemon either. And that's on top of their active sabotaging of current gameplay. Fixing typos and tweaking dialog should be one of the last things they do before the game officially gets out of early access.
 
Yeah, fair enough, I quickly skimmed the Tweet and thought they were waiting until French/German translations were available. I have no idea how I came to that conclusion after reading it again.

How well are they doing following their roadmap?
Not too well, but y'know, Corona-chan is hardly helpful. They had to merge the second Spring update into their Summer, Kisiwa update.

However, it's worth pointing out they were well behind the curve even before the game released: the full release version, which includes the main six islands, was originally meant to be released in May 2020. You know, a month ago. :optimistic:

So far, each island has taken about 6 months to develop. I really don't see a reason why, when there's even more distractions, the last 3 would be any better. Yet the roadmap originally projects them as coming out 1 per quarter, even after the first few islands clearly released late.

So, you can argue corona-chan is to blame, I argue that there's some truth in that... but only some.
 
Apparently, their initial attempts to do so were stymied by a lack of official translations. People have since insisted this is possible, but most of the replies boil down to 'there's not really a solution... well, there's - this - but it's not widely accepted'.
Either use the non-widely-accepted versions or jus translate 'they' directly, regardless of how other languages actually use the second-person plural pronoun.

More seriously, I am surprised tha the game itself is lost in progress and had passed its intended release date. I expected a lot more professionalism from a team that is riding on the backlash against Pokémon Sword and Shield and is designed to be an improved Pokémon.
 
More seriously, I am surprised tha the game itself is lost in progress and had passed its intended release date. I expected a lot more professionalism from a team that is riding on the backlash against Pokémon Sword and Shield and is designed to be an improved Pokémon.
To be fair, this was in the works LONG before that. The game began development between Pokemon Sun and Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, and the Kickstarter began in the wake of Let's Go's announcement. Still doesn't make it a good idea.
 
How come? /serious/
I mean, Temtem is taking on the single biggest franchise ever. And unlike some game worlds where you could theoretically release a new game that's undeniably better than any single version, Temtem is taking on a game with a building roster where people were pissed that only 400 main characters were included, instead of the real desired number of NEARLY A THOUSAND.

There were a lot of ways in which Temtem was never going to be able to beat pokemon - if not their current games, then certainly not their fangames and classic games. Even then, a lot of Temtem's systems lean way to hard on being 'Pokemon but BETTER' when they're really 'Pokemon but Grindier' or 'Pokemon but it claims to be better... even though you can't tell at this point'. It'll never escape being a Pokemon-but.

And the thing is, that's not the ace in the hole a lot of people think it is. How many people support the idea that Simba was ripping off the Lion King? Quite a lot. How many of those people then actually go and watch Kimba? Very few, because why would they? They either didn't care for the Lion King already, or already watched Not-Kimba. The comparisons actually hurt Kimba, not help it, as it makes it seem redundant.


Basing it off the running spite in early 2020 is actually an even worse idea. Spite isn't a stable foundation. Tempers cool eventually, or at least get distracted by other things. The people that came to Temtem early on in 2020 weren't interested in seeing the game flourish - they were interested in scoring a hit on Pokemon. So they choked out any good-faith criticism, then just wandered off when they got bored.
 
I mean, Temtem is taking on the single biggest franchise ever. And unlike some game worlds where you could theoretically release a new game that's undeniably better than any single version, Temtem is taking on a game with a building roster where people were pissed that only 400 main characters were included, instead of the real desired number of NEARLY A THOUSAND.

There were a lot of ways in which Temtem was never going to be able to beat pokemon - if not their current games, then certainly not their fangames and classic games. Even then, a lot of Temtem's systems lean way to hard on being 'Pokemon but BETTER' when they're really 'Pokemon but Grindier' or 'Pokemon but it claims to be better... even though you can't tell at this point'. It'll never escape being a Pokemon-but.

And the thing is, that's not the ace in the hole a lot of people think it is. How many people support the idea that Simba was ripping off the Lion King? Quite a lot. How many of those people then actually go and watch Kimba? Very few, because why would they? They either didn't care for the Lion King already, or already watched Not-Kimba. The comparisons actually hurt Kimba, not help it, as it makes it seem redundant.


Basing it off the running spite in early 2020 is actually an even worse idea. Spite isn't a stable foundation. Tempers cool eventually, or at least get distracted by other things. The people that came to Temtem early on in 2020 weren't interested in seeing the game flourish - they were interested in scoring a hit on Pokemon. So they choked out any good-faith criticism, then just wandered off when they got bored.

And there have been times where a new game takes on a well-established franchise, and does well, because the team emphasizes on how good their game is, and not by trashing the competition. Also, in some of those cases, that well-established franchise drops the ball so hard that players crave for an alternative. Cities Skylines taking on SimCity 2013 (granted, C:S only came about because SC2013 bombed heavily on launch), and Planet Coaster and Parkitect taking on RollerCoaster Tycoon World (and RCTW also failed just as hard, and the team behind PC, Frontier, designed the previous RollerCoaster Tycoon games) are two big examples that I can think of.

Temtem, on their other hand, focused on just being the "Pokémon, but better" deal, and doesn't emphasize the new stuff they added, or how they improve on the formula. Also, despite how Pokémon Sword and Shield received some negative reception, it wasn't as bad as the reception that SC2013 and RCTW got, which lessens the amount of potential players that would want to play a competitor's game in the genre.
 
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I think we are going to need a General Pokeclones thread someday, as more keep being created (not just mon, but, like, direct we-were-cease-and-desisted-but-thinking-is-hard ones, with same battle systems and type matchups - which they are sometimes being cute about by renaming elements less intuitively. "Oh, but Kopemon's types are Right, Alight, Fight, Bight, Flight, Dendrite, Blight, Light, Height, Bright, Meteorite, White, Mite, Might, Fright, Night, Knight and Sprite, so what Night deals double damage to Bright and is weak to Fight, it's ORIGINAL"* ), like Minecraft-based SnapBeasts, or such. Often by people in same or close circles, it seems (I am no sleught, so this could be coinky-dink, but still).

*I did not put that much thought in this.
 
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