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[piombo]

either way for a change of pace, a sequel to that video that debated mastercomms' claims has been made

Spoiler: previous video + local archive

 

[Slumbie]

I second this. When I saw that guy come in here to immediately with a brand new account to shit on Zesty, I knew something was up.

All users should lurk for 6 months to a year before making their first post.

 

[Rust Troony]

either way for a change of pace, a sequel to that video that debated mastercomms' claims has been made

Argument 1: Arguing server load balancing is bad because its over engineering is just showing a lack of understanding why you load balance. Valve saw the fact that 90k real players came in due to the f2p update and needed to create a solution. His analogy to buying a bigger coat is retarded. Hes making all his claims as though casual was introduced yesterday, talking about the future success of tf2, you are playing with a rotten corpse of a game, not a newly released one.

Argument 2: Immediately scapegoated a real issue with quickplay by saying he used to community server browser back when quickplay was a thing. Just use the community server browser then. Its right there.

Argument 3: no one is playing tf2 classified anymore, and most people just played it day one and dropped it.

Argument 4: TF2 is not a popular game anymore. 70% of your playerbase is bots. You at most get 15k players a day, less than even L4D2, and yet you act as though you are this huge paypig to Valve to get them to come back and completely redesign the matchmaking system. Your millions from people who dont even play the game is not going to match the billions they get off cs2 and steam itself. Its not going to happen. The only reason the bot problem got Valves attention was because it was shoveling bad publicity in Valves face with muh racism bot. No journalist is going to look at "durrr we hate the way the game finds lobbies" as a good headline, and so no bad publicity is going to Valve.

TF2 is a dead game. Enjoy it while you still can. Find a community server or create your own. Expecting Valve to come back and work on it without it being the bare minimum or because TF2 broke is a lost cause. Going full bore into trying to get quickplay back instead of asking for server rule changes like removing the end game screen is just going to lead to nothing happening.

 

[soy woah jaque]

asking for server rule changes that won't even work with the current system

>Asking Valve to slap back the old system they already have and works is too much but asking them to completely rework the current broken one is totally realistic chud

I asked this before but what about casual matchmaking do you want to keep? What does it offer that the old system didn't? Or are you now conceding that it sucks and are instead resorting to the old >tf2 dead lower your standards chud it's never gonna happen argument? While also contradicting that argument by asking for the same shit regardless but paraphrased?

 

[Rust Troony]

>Asking Valve to slap back the old system they already have and works is too much but asking them to completely rework the current broken one is totally realistic chud

They dont have the old system. The old system hasn't been around for 10 years. Asking them to change one server rule is not completely reworking the way matchmaking works you retard. go back to the sharty containment thread.

I asked this before but what about casual matchmaking do you want to keep? What does it offer that the old system didn't?

Nothing. What does quickplay have that casual doesn't. Nothing. They are both matchmaking systems that flood you to a server. One does it at random, one doesn't. Going back to quickplay isn't going to completely solve all issues tf2 is facing. People are still going to leave after matches are over. Teams are still going to be stacked on one side because friends inherently are going want to team with friends. Everything that will help quickplay can just as easily help casual. Allowing team scramble, removing the end game screen, allowing people to change team. All of these are server sided rules not affecting matchmaking.

Or are you now conceding that it sucks and are instead resorting to the old >tf2 dead lower your standards chud it's never gonna happen argument? While also contradicting that argument by asking for the same shit regardless but paraphrased?

Again asking for a server rule change is not asking to completely dismembering the current matchmaking implementation and replacing it entirely with a new one, just because you are too retarded to think for three seconds about it doesn't mean it isn't true, you retard. And yes, TF2 is dead. Stop acting as though it isn't. Stop acting as though your 0.3% of profit contribution to Valve is enough to make them give you the light of day.

 

[Enward Cullen]

At this point just cut out any and all matchmaking systems, going back to server browser only would be healthier and require absolutely no upkeep on Valve’s part.

 

[soy woah jaque]

They dont have the old system.

>Because... they just don't ok????? They totally don't have the code for it or anything

What does quickplay have that casual doesn't. Nothing

removing the end game screen,

This isn't just a server rule and would require reworking the entire voting system (or bringing back the old quickplay one which wouldn't work well with casual), and you just said that people would still leave after matches are over (lie) so why are you even asking for it?

Allowing team scramble, allowing people to change team

None of these work with retarded mmr matchmaking and slot reservation, why do you think auto balance is broken? And no mention of ad-hoc connections so I assume you don't want that? (Not that it would work with casual either)

And yes, TF2 is dead.

If you're gonna go this route then commit to it instead of being a hypocritical faggot. Don't ask for anything at all and if valve takes a shit on your plate then eat it.

 

[piombo]

i think it's rather blatant that he's a nigger arguing in bad faith

Argument 3: no one is playing tf2 classified anymore, and most people just played it day one and dropped it.

this shit should be enough of a tell since just showing this is argument enough


and this excludes the real reason being the server verification system (which comically is very similar to a MM system)

 

[Rust Troony]

this shit should be enough of a tell since just showing this is argument enough

Showcasing exactly what i just said isnt a good argument. In a week it dropped 90% of players. The only people that play tf2 classified are the people that play tf2 classified.

and this excludes the real reason being the server verification system

No one talked about that.

(which comically is very similar to a MM system)

Quickplay had verified servers in that it defaulted to Valves own servers near the end of its lifespan you retard. Learn about what your endorsing before speaking.

>Because... they just don't ok????? They totally don't have the code for it or anything

Its ten years old and would have to be reworked to work on modern tf2.

quirky image doesnt equal a real argument.

This isn't just a server rule and would require reworking the entire voting system (or bringing back the old quickplay one which wouldn't work well with casual), and you just said that people would still leave after matches are over (lie) so why are you even asking for it?

If the quickplay one works for quickplay why wouldn't it work for casual. Isn't your entire goal to make the servers play like quickplay?

None of these work with retarded mmr matchmaking and slot reservation, why do you think auto balance is broken? And no mention of ad-hoc connections so I assume you don't want that? (Not that it would work with casual either)

I dont want auto balance period. Even on community servers it always picks the worst person to get balanced. Ad hoc connections are fine, skill based matchmaking was a retarded thing on a casual game, which is why iirc a few months ago they weakened the strength that ranks and skills had on finding lobbies.

If you're gonna go this route then commit to it instead of being a hypocritical faggot. Don't ask for anything at all and if valve takes a shit on your plate then eat it.

I'll remain on community servers with cosmetic removers, completely unaffected by anything Valve pushes.

 

[MaDeuce]

They dont have the old system. The old system hasn't been around for 10 years

It's still coded into the game. You can still open the menu, all they would gave to do is turn it back on. Fuck, changing a few server cvars is just as little work and they already *have* implemented changes to improve mat matchmaking (ie, shortening voting times)

Is it that hard to turn on ad-hoc connections and team switching? Turn back on team scramble? No. It's not.

 

[Shell Shocked Zoomer]

TF2 is dead. Stop acting as though it isn't.

Is is it possible for this thread to go one month without somebody giving shit out-of-touch takes/bad faith arguments about TF2?

But, unfortunately, as @Patrick Bait-man once said:

TF2 Kiwi's Law: As an online discussion in a TF2-adjacent Kiwi Farms thread grows longer, the probability of a tourist disrupting the thread mentioning moving on or playing another game approaches 1.

First it was @Kofi Drinka with this bit and now it is you. As I have said before to people like you:

Edit:

I'll remain on community servers with cosmetic removers, completely unaffected by anything Valve pushes.

Tell us what community servers to play on then. Based on the activity of the past two months on this thread, they seem to be full of retards.

 

[Rust Troony]

Is it that hard to turn on ad-hoc connections and team switching? Turn back on team scramble? No. It's not.

Is is it possible for this thread we go one month without somebody giving shit takes/bad faith arguments about TF2?

I'll just leave it at this. Ask for that. Not another hashtag savefweakingtf2heckingchunguspetitionbringbackquickplay. Valve is not coming back to this game and your lucky you get any interaction from Valve. Instead of asking for this huge thing that is not going to happen, ask for these small changes and they might happen. Better yet, just use the community server browser.

If you truly believe Valve is going to come back to completely revamp the way matchmaking works you're retarded. This game is on life support and has been for a decade. It is Valves' least played multiplayer title, outside ricochet and the half life deathmatch games.

Then why are you asking for changes from Valve or complaining when other people ask for changes from Valve? Why are you telling people to stop demanding things from Valve while also claiming that you don't care what Valve does while also asking for shit anyways?

Because they are different systems. If you don't want to bring back quickplay then why are you asking for all of it's features to return?

You are acting as though i'm the one demanding things from Valve. I'm just tired of hearing bringbackquickplay for the past 3 years as though you retards actually think it will happen, and im giving you retards the information you need to hear. Quickplay is not coming back. Valve does not care about this game enough to warrant that much work. Go back to the drawing board and come up with something different.

 

[soy woah jaque]

would have to be reworked to work on modern tf2.

What part of modern tf2 is not compatible with quickplay?

quirky image doesnt equal a real argument.

Nothing. What does quickplay have that casual doesn't. Nothing.

By saying this verifiably incorrect 2+2=5 information you are establishing that you don't even understand how quickplay works, and I would have to spoonfeed it to you in order to even begin arguing on the same page, which is not going to happen.

If the quickplay one works for quickplay why wouldn't it work for casual.

Because they are different systems. If you don't want to bring back quickplay then why are you asking for all of it's features to return?

I'll remain on community servers with cosmetic removers, completely unaffected by anything Valve pushes.

Then why are you asking for changes from Valve or complaining when other people ask for changes from Valve? Why are you telling people to stop demanding things from Valve while also claiming that you don't care what Valve does while also asking for shit anyways?

Valve is not coming back to this game, ask for these small changes and they might happen

It's either one or the other. Make a choice faggot.

huge thing, completely revamp, that much work,

Again, 2+2=5. This is incorrect. It is not a huge thing. It is not a revamp, it is a system that already exists and is functional and is better than the current one. It is not that much work. If you don't think it's gonna happen then give up and shut up.

This game is on life support

Wanna know what killed it?

You are acting as though i'm the one demanding things from Valve.

You claim TF2 is dead and Valve doesn't care while also asking for matchmaking changes even though you say you're staying in community servers, and then you whine when other people express valid complaints.

 

[GNU Abyss]

You are acting as though i'm the one demanding things from Valve. I'm just tired of hearing bringbackquickplay for the past 3 years as though you retards actually think it will happen, and im giving you retards the information you need to hear. Quickplay is not coming back. Valve does not care about this game enough to warrant that much work. Go back to the drawing board and come up with something different.

I grabbed one with an iFunny watermark just for you.



If you're that upset about it, here's the Counter-Strike thread. You can spill your spaghetti over there instead.

By saying this verifiably incorrect 2+2=5 information you are establishing that you don't even understand how quickplay works, and I would have to spoonfeed it to you in order to even begin arguing on the same page, which is not going to happen.

Quickplay was now a decade ago. There's a decent chance that people arguing against it were under the age of 7 when it got killed.

 

[dogs 4 breakfast]

Entire Skitzo Theory section.

Here is some more info on this, because there is a lot to go over. So before Goy Golem made this group he forced his way into the DixieDandy group. Most of the info I have is related to him and Dixie but there's some things that might not have been said already.

First thing is Goy Golem. For a while he was active in Dixie, even ended up commissioning a map for Dixie (the map is really fun). However after a while he up becoming disliked by a chunk of the Dixie audience. He ended up making a GC for his group of friends he made on Dixie, and then he basically would rarely touch Dixie afterwards. Unfortunately when he would come back to Dixie, it would be almost exclusively to rile up Dixie members for constant in-fighting and drama. He would come in after not being seen for like a week, rile up people and demand that the jannies need to ban chunks of Dixie's already small player base (His reasoning was that they were gay or something), and then would leave until the next week when he does it all over again. (An extra note on this is he was demanding to banning of people that played every single day, while he would barley show up at all.) Goy Golem ended up getting banned pretty recently, but by that time he already had his own little group of people from Dixie.

Next is Punished Willy. Punished Willy was there from the start of the server, he came along when Castaway regulars were first moving over. Punished Willy was a rage-baiter who would pretend(?) to be pagan and would constantly randomly bring up about how all trump supporters would need to be killed/raped. He would would come into conversations, shit it up, and leave. Despite this, he was still considered a regular of the server, and even had a placement on the Christmas Art that was made to celebrate Dixie's First Christmas. Not all good things are made to last forever, at first it would be coming into try to ruin conversations, then it would be to coming into sessions and trying to stack the teams to stomp. (I wish demos existed because I heard of a really awful game on Viaduct that took place a little before his banning) Either way soon after he was banned when Garb (owner) finally had enough of him. After some flip flopping on if it's just a temp ban or a perm ban, he was banned from the GC never to come back. (Last I saw he still is able to play on the server, but he just can't be in the group or the GC)

Spoiler: Dixie's First Christmas

Willy at the time used a Mymy PFP so she was drawn in his place, in the bottom left right next to the penguin

Spoiler: Info out of the way, here's my gay and lame opinion.

It's highly likely that they interact with this thread. Garb has posted screenshots of this thread in the DixieDandy GC, so it's highly possible they have been made aware of the it. Unless someone with even more insider info can step foward to confirm it's them though, we have no idea where those other people that got thread banned orignated from.

 

[Nonokay]

Go back to the drawing board and come up with something different.

You really think you still have insight to share after failing to properly grasp a single point of a video that’s less than ten minutes long, forcing the thread to watch your impromptu spergout/trauma dumping sesh and to top it off getting dog walked by a shartyteen. What else is there to even say.

 

[Rust Troony]

You really think you still have insight to share after failing to properly grasp a single point of a video that’s less than ten minutes long

Please do come up with an argument against what I said against the video if you want to. I want an actual discussion that not "HURR DURR WELL I LIKED THE QUICKPLAY SO QUICKPLAY NEED ADDED."

top it off getting dog walked by a shartyteen

All he did was underestimate the amount of work it would take to add quickplay, overestimate the work to fix casual, post quirky photos and greentexts, and never actually made an argument against what I said.

What else is there to even say.

That you all are retarded and Valve isn't going to add back quickplay, and there's no reason to even try.

Also you have a pfp from a pedophile anime, the shartyteens are sending their best defenders.

 

[soy woah jaque]

underestimate the amount of work it would take to add quickplay

You never explained why reimplementing quickplay, a system that works (unlike the current one), already exists and is superior to casual in every way, would somehow be a gargantuan task. The only thing that has changed since 2016 that would hinder the reimplementation of quickplay is casual itself, which has added nothing of value to the game and essentially killed it.

overestimate the work to fix casual

Casual has been getting "fixed" since 2016 (a decade) and it's still utter dogshit. I know because I've used it. I'm sure just a little more "fixing" will do the trick.

never actually made an argument against what I said.

If you genuinely believe this and aren't just oppositefagging for attention, you are delusional.

and there's no reason to even try.

Then stop engaging in this discussion as you clearly do not care and have nothing to say.

 

[Nonokay]

I want an actual discussion

All of your “arguments” were non sequiters aiming at some caricature you constructed in your head. You never once engaged the substance of what was being said, and instead aimed for “well ackshually” -tier gotchas that couldn’t even pretend to be topical.

Argument 1: The current system is overengineered, bloated, breaks three times a year and solves a problem that the game never had—it actually creates more problems than it pretends to solve.
Argument 2: The issues with the Quickplay game coordinator are more manageable because the game at that point gave you more ways to find good servers.
Argument 3: Ad hoc connections don’t especially facilitate harassment, or else TF2 classified would have shown that, and furthermore harassment and malicious activity still takes place regardless. It’s no good to punish the many to please the few.
Argument 4: What is realistic is downstream of what people do.

That you’re continuing to lash out emotionally confirms you have nothing of note to say and simply want to use this space to express frustration. Maybe it’s hard to see through the tears, but you pretty clearly contradicted yourself and demonstrated your lack of knowledge multiple times. If you wanted a discussion in the first place you wouldn’t be seething and doing ad hominem in such an effeminate way.

 

[Shell Shocked Zoomer]

I want an actual discussion [with people I think are retarded]

Too bad you're too much of a retard yourself to actually have one since you have no concrete knowledge of how Quickplay or Casual worked. As @Nonokay has said:

You’re continuing to lash out emotionally confirms you have nothing of note to say

As I said yesterday, if you got nothing to add but your retardation: