Taxes are Bullshit

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dreamworks face said:
So if you do your taxes, you'll notice how there's two kinds - state taxes, and federal taxes.

Roads, hospitals, police, fire, etc. are all paid for by your state government taxes - that is, almost everything that is practically useful (although states do get some federal funding.)

As for federal taxes:
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You might notice that you pay a hell of a lot of federal income tax yet about 80% of what you're paying for is absolute bullshit. I know I have.
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You will notice OP bitched about having to pay state as well as federal tax.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
You will notice OP bitched about having to pay state as well as federal tax.
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I pay 3x as much federal income tax as state tax, yet ironically, most of the observable benefits of having a government are paid by state taxes. Sixty percent of the money I give the federal government is used on literal pyramid schemes. I'm OK with paying taxes as long as there is concrete benefit for paying them (e.g. roads, fire departments), whereas I'm not OK with my tax dollars being spent on keeping old homeless people alive indefinitely in hospitals to bilk social security and medicare.
 
I have this crazy leftist idea guys. What if the higher you earn the more you pay in taxes? That way we could pay for more and fix our infrastructure? 🤔🤔🤔
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
"I hate roads, hospitals, and not getting robbed"-OP
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How exactly does taking my money and giving it to someone else prevent me from getting robbed? That's what guns are for.

Hospitals are privately owned.
ApatheticViewer said:
I have this crazy leftist idea guys. What if the higher you earn the more you pay in taxes? That way we could pay for more and fix our infrastructure? 🤔🤔🤔
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The rich pay the most in taxes.

If you want something done, the last thing you should leave it up to is the federal government.
 
ApatheticViewer said:
I have this crazy leftist idea guys. What if the higher you earn the more you pay in taxes? That way we could pay for more and fix our infrastructure? 🤔🤔🤔
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That might've been a crazy leftist idea back in the 18th century, but progressive taxation has been the norm in most countries for nearly a hundred years now, and it's become abundantly clear that there are problems with it. I'll sperg about a few of them.

The most obvious being that really wealthy people have the means and influence to find ways to avoid or mitigate taxes if they feel like it, especially in countries like the US where private donations and corporate lobbying are the lifeblood of political careers. That leads to an abundance of practices that alleviate upper class tax pressure, ranging from seemingly innocuous and universally helpful policies like mortgage rent deduction to more blatant schemes like off-shoring. It doesn't help that the lines between 'individual property' and 'corporate asset' have become so muddled. The government taxes them and uses it to fund some new programs, but it never just ends there. Because the bureaucracy is always expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.

A situation like that can't just be solved through 'lol just tax the richfags more', though. Besides the fact that they can just, you know, up and fucking leave and take their money with them, any progressive tax is inherently going to make the state more dependent on the uberwealthy. The more you tax them (and the less you tax the masses in inverse proportion), the bigger their share of the state's income becomes. That's how you get seemingly paradoxical cases of countries with a very progressive tax policy doing their best to court corporations through other concessions. Because they desperately need them to pay for their exponentially rising expenditures.

A progressive tax doesn't result in people 'paying their fair share'. The rich can use it to their advantage, and the poor get far more from it than they will ever put back in. It's the average person in between who gets absolutely fucked over by the whole system, which is one of the reasons why the once fundamental middle class has been dwindling in Western society. For a lot of people it's a lot more tempting to just NEET it up and live in relative comfort than bust their ass for a comparatively modest bump in living standards. On the other end of the spectrum, it's become increasingly harder for middle class entrepeneurs to challenge established corporations, partially because those companies are skewing the playing field through their political influence. Hence why megacorps often lobby for higher minimum wages and tightened regulations and the like, even if it sounds like that wouldn't be in their interest. It might put a dent in their margins, but it'll fucking kill small businesses, and further raise the barrier of entry for prospective entrepeneurs. Throttling any possible competition far outweighs the pittances Wall-Mart and Amazon'll have to pay to their workforce.

So, the überrich make use of their influence in politics to further their own interests, leading to increased concentration of wealth in their hands... meaning that the government becomes even more functionally indebted to them, leading to more influence in politics and AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

tl;dr progressive tax has been a poisoned chalice and we're probably gonna end up with a class system straight out of a dystopian cyperpunk plot if these trends continue.
 
Chive Turkey said:
tl;dr progressive tax has been a poisoned chalice and we're probably gonna end up with a class system straight out of a dystopian cyperpunk plot if these trends continue.
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Why not just issue a 4% flat tax if you gonna be like that?
Everyone pays 4% on what ever they have, regardless of what they have.

Boom
Equality

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I normally don't think about taxes, but when I do, I think social security makes me the maddest. I don't know about you guys but I sure as fuck don't expect to see any of that when I retire. It's just welfare for boomers, as though they haven't leeched enough from the system already.
 
melty said:
I normally don't think about taxes, but when I do, I think social security makes me the maddest. I don't know about you guys but I sure as fuck don't expect to see any of that when I retire. It's just welfare for boomers, as though they haven't leeched enough from the system already.
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Yeah, no, that one sucks the most. People who know nothing about it sound amazed when they hear that what you put in currently isn't for you, and that people who have never paid a cent into it can somehow get SS payments.

SS is the most blatant example of what goes wrong with large scale welfare in the US. Well that and EBT, way too many ways to abuse that shit. And yet people will still tell you "Citizen! Please give more of your money to the government! We'll do welfare right this time!".
 
I guess none of you have parents, grandparents, or assorted family that are going to need SS payments to survive after retirement (90%+ of people). "Gas the olds, tax war now" isn't a new, interesting, or clever position.

This is a (recurring) libertardian thread that is guaranteed to consist of a bunch of juvenile shit-takes, randomized sperging, and complaints about how medicare and retirement related taxation is depriving you of luxury bullshit purchases while you comfortably live in an amazingly advanced and powerful 1st world country.

I'm not happy to have paid $13k in taxes last year either, maybe I'll pack up and move to Europe where I can pay double the % and earn half the salary. I hear Europeans don't spend as much on their defense budget so it'll be worth it. Or I could move to some shithole where there aren't really any taxes (only bribes) and live in my mud hut, at least I won't have to pay the TAXMAN!

On a scale of "You violated the NAP" to "My harem of 12 year olds", I rate this thread -4 (cob houses).
 
The only tax that really seems evil are property taxes. We can never be free if we own something, ownership is a trick so that you never can be or feel truely free you always have a bill over your property and if you fail to pay they take your home.


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Vecr said:
I'd call myself a conservative minarchist, but I don't think all taxes should be stopped unless someone comes up with a really, really good alternative.
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We do already, it's printing money and loans from the Chinese. brrrrrrrrrrrr....
 
at this poing I'm getting mildly optimistic the IRS isn't going to send me a "yo brah, cough up an extra g and we don't cut off your thumbs kthxbye" letter this year
 
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