Tamers12345 - Autistic Sonic and Bartleby Shipper and Video Maker

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Vibralldo said:
Here's what I think happened:

Tamers clearly works with a couple other artists to help speed up production and bounce ideas off of.

One of these artists is the anime girl. Her art is well received and nets the videos more views, especially her sexualized art of Flora and Aleena.

She likely suggests and is the main force behind the pony crossover episode. This gets a ton of views and attention in the brony community, so Tamers starts making pony videos to capitalize off this. Seeing how talented she is at getting views, he gives anime girl more control over these episodes and he tells her to write what she wants, as she understands what this new audience wants more than he does.

Unfortunately for us, what anime girl wants is to write unironic gay anime romance instead of a Sonic Underground style sitcom. You can see some of her romance stuff in SU episodes, but it was so sparse and no sequitur that it was funny. Now it's practically a gay romance series with the occasional racist or fart joke.
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I think an entry at the crossover episode isn't likely as the pony crossover episode essentially lacks any good-looking pony shots that aren't traced. Tamers mentions having difficulty with the early episodes specifically in drawing ponies. If a new artist/collaborator appears, it's more likely they show up at the birthday bash or rainboom episode.

Trying to fit in a theory of a collaborator somewhere in SU, say at Sonia gets into a fight and gets suspended, doesn't make a lot of sense. Tamers seems to be something of a romantic at almost random intervals. I can see him getting drunk on the attention from his MLP videos and changing things up because of it.
 
No Bitches Syndrome(NBS) said:
I think an entry at the crossover episode isn't likely as the pony crossover episode essentially lacks any good-looking pony shots that aren't traced. Tamers mentions having difficulty with the early episodes specifically in drawing ponies. If a new artist/collaborator appears, it's more likely they show up at the birthday bash or rainboom episode.

Trying to fit in a theory of a collaborator somewhere in SU, say at Sonia gets into a fight and gets suspended, doesn't make a lot of sense. Tamers seems to be something of a romantic at almost random intervals. I can see him getting drunk on the attention from his MLP videos and changing things up because of it.
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The anime girl has definitely been working with Tamers for a while, far before the pony videos. Potentially 4+ years, as the high school musical video from 2020 has her style written all over it. The styles change too much and the content comes out too quick for it to just be 1 guy.

I'm saying that she suggested the MLP video (while looking back at it, not leading the art on it, but it looks like she did the credits). It got a ton of views compared to usual (68k vs the typical 10k-20k) so Tamers told her that she should lead the way and make more pony videos to capitalize on it cuz she knows more about pony stuff than him.

She's probably the source of the Knuxonia romance plotlines and has started adding more of that kind of thing in the pony vids. The Knuxonia parts are a giveaway because suddenly the artstyle changes and it becomes a mostly unironic romance subplot, similar to what we see with the romance parts of the pony videos.
 
Vibralldo said:
She's probably the source of the Knuxonia romance plotlines and has started adding more of that kind of thing in the pony vids. The Knuxonia parts are a giveaway because suddenly the artstyle changes and it becomes a mostly unironic romance subplot, similar to what we see with the romance parts of the pony videos.
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This is stupid. The earliest two videos on Tamers' channel are Knuxonia. Yes, it even predates Bardonic. The one thing Tamers has cared about more than absolutely anything else is crack ships and romance subplots, so if your theory hinges on this then it's a dud.
 
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
This is stupid. The earliest two videos on Tamers' channel are Knuxonia. Yes, it even predates Bardonic. The one thing Tamers has cared about more than absolutely anything else is crack ships and romance subplots, so if your theory hinges on this then it's a dud.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OhOavHLekLA
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The main crux of my theory is that there's clearly multiple artists working on the videos. The multiple tamers conspiracy is a pretty well accepted theory. These are both shots from the same High School Musical episode, completely different styles: Screenshot_20241212-004249.png Screenshot_20241212-004312.png

Not all Knuxonia, but a lot of the Knuxonia scenes in Tamers have this art style, and when these scenes happen there's often a shift to more cutesy dialogue that contrasts the rest of the episode.

Also, look at the invader zim hot topic core hoodie Knuckles is wearing in this scene (again, resembling the cutesy artstyle from the high school musical episode, not Tamers's style):

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Very similar hot-topic twink core outfits can be seen in a recent pony episode:
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There are noticable tonal shifts during certain Sonic Underground scenes that feel like they're being written by a female weeb, and the pony videos have a lot of scenes that feel identical to them both in art and dialogue. They're also being given a much larger spotlight than they were in Sonic, being the main focus of quite a few of the episodes like the infamous braeburn ones.
 
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Vibralldo said:
The main crux of my theory is that there's clearly multiple artists working on the videos. The multiple tamers conspiracy is a pretty well accepted theory. These are both shots from the same High School Musical episode, completely different styles:View attachment 6742956View attachment 6742957

Not all Knuxonia, but a lot of the Knuxonia scenes in Tamers have this art style, and when these scenes happen there's often a shift to more cutesy dialogue that contrasts the rest of the episode.

Also, look at the invader zim hot topic core hoodie Knuckles is wearing in this scene (again, resembling the cutesy artstyle from the high school musical episode, not Tamers's style):

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Very similar hot-topic twink core outfits can be seen in a recent pony episode:
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There are noticable tonal shifts during certain Sonic Underground scenes that feel like they're being written by a female weeb, and the pony videos have a lot of scenes that feel identical to them both in art and dialogue. They're also being given a much larger spotlight than they were in Sonic, being the main focus of quite a few of the episodes like the infamous braeburn ones.
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Are the E-females in this room right now?
 
I'm sorry but I'm done with the pony shit. Tamers feels like he's lost his soul and is just trying to be popular now. I'll try and see if the allegedly upcoming SU stuff is any good, but other than that Tamers has been pretty much dead to me the past 2 months.

Sucks, before the pony stuff I would've ranked him as one of the best internet creators ever, but I guess everyone loses their luster eventually.
 
LuminescentFart said:
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He's drawing/animating for other people now.
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That's disheartening

Tamers was a fan of Sonic Underground only which separated him from the rest of the Sonic fandom. In fact he was vocally anti modern Sonic fan. Because Sonic Underground was so niche with no real fanbase he was essentially just doing his own thing on his own (with help from his other collaborators)

Now he's openly working with brony YouTubers, getting original brony songs made for his videos, and doing art for other brony YouTubers' videos

Tamers is no longer doing his own thing in his own niche. He's just another brony YouTuber in the brony community.
 
Vibralldo said:
The main crux of my theory is that there's clearly multiple artists working on the videos. The multiple tamers conspiracy is a pretty well accepted theory. These are both shots from the same High School Musical episode, completely different styles:View attachment 6742956View attachment 6742957

Not all Knuxonia, but a lot of the Knuxonia scenes in Tamers have this art style, and when these scenes happen there's often a shift to more cutesy dialogue that contrasts the rest of the episode.
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This is not strong evidence that there's a second artist. For example, see this scene from the same video:
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Sure, it's more similar to the second image than the first, but it's also got noticeable differences in the details of the characters. If you look at the context of the scene of your second image compared to the first, it's easily explainable by Tamers giving more of a fuck about a scene right before their core musical sequence(which Tamers has shown time and again he likes making) versus one where they're making jokes about a gay drama club.
Your proposition is essentially that there is an artist who has been working with Tamers since his inception, that writes the more emotional dialogue, and draws very-similar-but-slightly-stylistically-distinct frames, and is also behind the pony shit. You're also implying that Tamers is somehow incapable of changing his art style over the course of years and is also incapable of writing sappy/romantic dialogue in spite of this being his full time job, and he's a liar who wants to hide this second person's existence, for some reason. Oh, and she's a female, because yaoi.
 
No Bitches Syndrome(NBS) said:
This is not strong evidence that there's a second artist. For example, see this scene from the same video: View attachment 6744215
Sure, it's more similar to the second image than the first, but it's also got noticeable differences in the details of the characters. If you look at the context of the scene of your second image compared to the first, it's easily explainable by Tamers giving more of a fuck about a scene right before their core musical sequence(which Tamers has shown time and again he likes making) versus one where they're making jokes about a gay drama club.
Your proposition is essentially that there is an artist who has been working with Tamers since his inception, that writes the more emotional dialogue, and draws very-similar-but-slightly-stylistically-distinct frames, and is also behind the pony shit. You're also implying that Tamers is somehow incapable of changing his art style over the course of years and is also incapable of writing sappy/romantic dialogue in spite of this being his full time job, and he's a liar who wants to hide this second person's existence, for some reason. Oh, and she's a female, because yaoi.
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You can't look at those 2 frames from the High School Musical video and tell me they were drawn by the same person. Sure, there will be vague similarities because they're drawing the same characters, but the eyes, the head shape, the way the skin around the mouths are drawn, their quills, it's too stylistically different to be explained by one frame just being a rush job. This isn't an art style evolving over the course of years, this is an art style changing between scenes.

The rest of the stuff about the pony vids being artist 2's idea are just speculation, but those are clearly 2 different people's art styles.

I think it's very reasonable that Tamers has a couple friends that collaborate with him. In fact, it's more reasonable than him working on his own due to the amount of videos he puts out.
 
No Bitches Syndrome(NBS) said:
This is not strong evidence that there's a second artist. For example, see this scene from the same video:
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Vibralldo said:
High School Musical episode, completely different styles:
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yall are retarded as fuck, has it never occurred that after 13 years of drawing SU, that his art would stay the same? At some point between experimenting with art, he would experiment with drawing actually decent scenes. Its kind of the same deal with AC-bu, where they purposefuly draw like shit and only make really good art when they feel like it
 
Vibralldo said:
I think it's very reasonable that Tamers has a couple friends that collaborate with him. In fact, it's more reasonable than him working on his own due to the amount of videos he puts out.
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Most Tamer episodes involve a heap of two-frame stills (one for the drawing; one for mouth movement) with the occasional animation that's never more than four frames. We have a video of him demonstrating his process; it's a minute and a half long, and if we slow the video to 0.25 speed we get a more realistic pace for putting together one scene from an episode. That might still be a little fast, but it's a decent baseline for reasons I'll explain.

Episode duration ranges from ten to thirty minutes (sometimes much longer if he is very passionate about an idea), and if we quadruple the time lapse Bartleby video's duration that is about five minutes spent per 'average' frame. Keep in mind these drawings can be onscreen for as long as thirty seconds, but tend to be shorter; looking over a random episode I found most were five to eighteen seconds long. For 1500 seconds of Sonic Underground content (twenty five minutes) that's anywhere from an hour and a half to four hours of work. Tamers' usual schedule is a week (or a week and a half) between episodes. This leaves more than enough time for a NEET like him to produce plenty of basic and effortful drawings.

Sound editing, decorating the video with silly effects and so on also takes time (probably more than the actual drawing part.) But even then he's using TTS and a reservoir of stock effects, so the only limitation is his own creativity, which he has a mountain of.

As for the quality of the drawings themselves, the man has been doing this for over a decade. Most people are not Chris-Chan. Tamers has cleared the threshold for consistently doing something and achieving a mastery of it, although he was always a master so this point is moot. I see no reason to believe Tamers needs a secret second artist to help draw this stuff, and from personal experience (I tried to emulate one of his episodes for fun) achieving his style by hand isn't easy. You really do have to use that bendy line tool to maintain a look consistent with his art. I have friends who have tried to draw his stuff, all of whom are much better artists than me, and they expressed the same sentiment. Where would he find this Artist 2? Did they cut their teeth doing this for a decade like him? Imagining this person and the unique qualifications they'd need makes it seem less likely.
 
Ensi said:
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yall are retarded as fuck, has it never occurred that after 13 years of drawing SU, that his art would stay the same? At some point between experimenting with art, he would experiment with drawing actually decent scenes. Its kind of the same deal with AC-bu, where they purposefuly draw like shit and only make really good art when they feel like it
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Reading comprehension devil strikes again. I was never arguing for the existence of a second Tamers.
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
Episode duration ranges from ten to thirty minutes (sometimes much longer if he is very passionate about an idea), and if we quadruple the time lapse Bartleby video's duration that is about five minutes spent per 'average' frame
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This is verified by Tamers himself, iirc he's said an average body takes about three minutes to draw, and a more detailed one takes about five. Certain circle-bodied sonic and his family can take as little as one. He's efficient, so he copy-pastes parts to save time if it makes sense for a frame.
 
COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST said:
from personal experience (I tried to emulate one of his episodes for fun) achieving his style by hand isn't easy. You really do have to use that bendy line tool to maintain a look consistent with his art. I have friends who have tried to draw his stuff, all of whom are much better artists than me, and they expressed the same sentiment.
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Again, if you think that Tamer's art is consistent and not obviously drawn by at least 2 different people then I don't know what else to tell you.

Tamers is definitely still working on his projects in a large capacity and using his style in his videos, and likely using paint as he always has, but I don't buy that the sudden shifts mid scene to a cutesy 2000s Tumblr style is just Tamers's true skill coming out.

Even if it's just limited animation, stock sounds, and tts voices, I don't believe that Tamers on his own is capable of consistently writing, drawing, editing and releasing around an hour of animation a month without help, even if he's a neet.

Artist 2 doesn't need to learn Tamers's hyper specific style because she's clearly not trying to match it, she's doing her own thing. There are also tools that are easier to use that can give you the chunky ms paint style outlines.

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There's also other drawing programs being used. The gradients here aren't possible in paint and the lines look more like vectors than paint's rasterization.

I don't know where tamers met whoever artist 2 is. Maybe it's a girlfriend, maybe he met her online, maybe they're IRL friends, maybe she sent him SU fanart that she liked. People are capable of making friends and then inviting them to work with them on projects.

Tamers has built a fanbase around himself making unironic Sonic fan animations using basic tools alone. He has incentive to keep up this persona because it's more interesting than a group of people who are in on the joke writing it together.
 
I think it's best to drop the subject, I don't think this argument is gonna change anyone's minds.

Hopefully Tamers releases more SU content soon so we can at least be united under that, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Vibralldo said:
if you think that Tamer's art is consistent and not obviously drawn by at least 2 different people then I don't know what else to tell you.
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You could tell me an apology for pushing this tired two Tamers /co/ meme that people have repeatedly decided (and probably said to you specifically) lacks any meaningful evidence, other than you seem to believe one guy alone could not produce Tamers content.
 
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