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Yaoi Huntress Earth said:
Don't you know that playtests are just gatekeeping whiteness and economic privilege.
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Lol, I love that she mentions that her new game is "getting the full treatment" with a nice book with professional art, layout, and everything while she is whining about play-testing being oppressive or whatever the fuck. Her priorities are perfectly in alignment with the epitome of every new tabletop """""fan""""" who jumped into the hobby because it's cool now: presentation over gameplay. You see this every. fucking. time with these people. They would gladly spend thousands of dollars to fill their shelves with pretty art books with a rule set attached that was put together by idiots (prime example: the cunt writing this tweet). They don't care if the game is fun to play, or if it's even playable, it's not like they have actual friends or really anyone who would willingly sit in the same room with them for more than five minutes. They just want to flip through the pretty, glossy pages looking at the pictures and tweeting all day about how much they loved the latest episode of Critical Role. Seriously, an indie board game company could probably sell a hardcover rulebook for checkers for $80-$100 a pop if it included high quality fantasy or sci-fi art on glossy pages.
 
Spergetti said:
Lol, I love that she mentions that her new game is "getting the full treatment" with a nice book with professional art, layout, and everything while she is whining about play-testing being oppressive or whatever the fuck. Her priorities are perfectly in alignment with the epitome of every new tabletop """""fan""""" who jumped into the hobby because it's cool now: presentation over gameplay. You see this every. fucking. time with these people. They would gladly spend thousands of dollars to fill their shelves with pretty art books with a rule set attached that was put together by idiots (prime example: the cunt writing this tweet). They don't care if the game is fun to play, or if it's even playable, it's not like they have actual friends or really anyone who would willingly sit in the same room with them for more than five minutes. They just want to flip through the pretty, glossy pages looking at the pictures and tweeting all day about how much they loved the latest episode of Critical Role. Seriously, an indie board game company could probably sell a hardcover rulebook for checkers for $80-$100 a pop if it included high quality fantasy or sci-fi art on glossy pages.
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And in some of their cases, queer stuff as well.
 
DeagleNationRefugee said:

So you're playing a tabletop RPG and this guy kicks the door down and slaps your GM's ass. What do you do?
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ZMOT said:
that first comment and reply really says everything there is to know about that sad person
< are you inclusive and tolerant?
> no fuck off
< lol inbred

even reddit has better bantz
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No kidding. What the fuck are these topic for videos?!
>LGBT etc. Only Tables
>Being an Ally
>TEH FABLED MIDDLE GROUND (big red letters necessary, it's like that in the thumbnail, like wow }

What does any of this have to do with actually playing a game? What does being gay influence? Does it give you ability bonuses? Special sub-classes? I don't care if you want to be game in-character, but, let's be real, this is just attention seeking bullshit. None of this has to be a topic when playing... anything really, unless you just happen to have a "That Guy" whose gimmick is going around being a murderhobo that targets "teh geys", and I doubt they'd be friends with someone like that to start with.
 
Dang Woodchucks! said:
No kidding. What the fuck are these topic for videos?!
>LGBT etc. Only Tables
>Being an Ally
>TEH FABLED MIDDLE GROUND (big red letters necessary, it's like that in the thumbnail, like wow }

What does any of this have to do with actually playing a game? What does being gay influence? Does it give you ability bonuses? Special sub-classes? I don't care if you want to be game in-character, but, let's be real, this is just attention seeking bullshit. None of this has to be a topic when playing... anything really, unless you just happen to have a "That Guy" whose gimmick is going around being a murderhobo that targets "teh geys", and I doubt they'd be friends with someone like that to start with.
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His whole archive is worth looking into. Forced representation isn't fun at all.
 
ZMOT said:
and that's without considering most of the time you just want some generic bad guys, not necessarily philosophically discern each NPC's motives. that bandit might be only a bandit because it's the only way to feed his sick wife. is that evil? does it matter? should it matter?
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In my case a guy robbing caravans to feed his sick wife would most likely he chaotic (he is getting money through unlawful means). Now if he is good or evil dependw, is he murdering the people he robs after they surrender their goods peacefully and then pissing on their corpses or just grabbing the stuff and fucking off?
Yeah context matters, morality and laws may vary a lot from region to region but so do deities. I say you can still have the alignment system as is and make it work as long as you aren't a sperg: a lot of people taking issue with are either morons who think they know better or giga 'tists who are thinking about the most convoluted situations to prove why the system is dumb and you should totally stop playing D&D.
I feel people tend to vastly overanalyze things that shouldn't and won't shut up about it.
 
The thing people forget about the alignment chart in early D&D is that it was about objective relationships to actual metaphysical locations and powers, and it was mainly used to judge if dark forces were about, or to calculate damage from blessed weapons. Orcs aren't evil because they're mean, they're evil because they were created by a foul god of the abyss whose heart dwells only on evil. Evil is a metaphysical quality of their souls that drives them to do bad things.
 
A lot of these people ignore that these are fantasy medieval settings with magic, xenospecies, non-human intelligences, mystical powers, and...

Gods.

Not their atheist gods, but GODS.

Strike you down with lightning, Smite me oh might Smoter, fuck your shit up with locust, kill every first born, bring forth earthquakes, a typhoon of blood rain, undead climbing out of the graves GODS.

That is one thing I've noticed over the decades. From whining that playing a Paladin is too restrictive and too "lawful stupid" to ignoring the fact that fucking clerics can do honest to God miracles and instead treating them like healbots, while ignoring that the Gods are less the cool neo-Christian God a lesbian polyamorous otherkin preaches about while prancing around in a rainbow miniskirt and more a "Fuck your shit up so bad Azreal goes: wow, lighten up" type deity.

They've phased out one of the most fantastic parts of the series, where religion and Gods are REAL. They're perfectly fine with the cleric healbotting them all the adventure, but beyond that, religion is for the evil guy, I guess.

So when you say "Khargahst created the orcs in his image, strong, ruthless, hardy, with no feeling for those who worshipped those who betrayed him. He crafted them to survive where no other could, survive on what no other could, and promised endless rewards and pleasures to those who followed his dark and bloody creed" then go "So, yeah, they're orcs, not black people, you fucking racist" they just stare at you in confusion, because to them religion is something inbreds do.

Gods are treated more like errand boys. Prayers seem to be "bitch, heal my lesbian non-binary furry otherkin buddy" and less "Oh, might and fearful Great One, he of a thousand battles, he of a hundred arms each holding a hundred swords, please heal my friend, for he help me carry out your will in this world!"

And to me, it kind of shows why everyone is Reeeeing over shit they don't understand, because they've gotten rid of a major portion of the game.
 
BlazikenLover said:
In my case a guy robbing caravans to feed his sick wife would most likely he chaotic (he is getting money through unlawful means). Now if he is good or evil dependw, is he murdering the people he robs after they surrender their goods peacefully and then pissing on their corpses or just grabbing the stuff and fucking off?
Yeah context matters, morality and laws may vary a lot from region to region but so do deities. I say you can still have the alignment system as is and make it work as long as you aren't a sperg: a lot of people taking issue with are either morons who think they know better or giga 'tists who are thinking about the most convoluted situations to prove why the system is dumb and you should totally stop playing D&D.
I feel people tend to vastly overanalyze things that shouldn't and won't shut up about it.
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yeah, in the end it depends on your table and your gm how he's gonna handle it. my general problem with DND's alignments is that they are too broad and too specific at the same time - they're meant as a guide, not how to play, but that's how people treat it and use it as an excuse to go full "chaotic evil trololo" murderhobo to the point any society would have them culled out of the genepool long before the story starts. I'm just not a fan trying to "gamify" and put into tables how someone aligns on some arbitrary scale. you can do bad things for the right reason, but that doesn't make you evil etc. a more abstract system like @Jet Fuel Johnny mentioned where you're just follow of someone (or not) and everything comes from that in terms of story makes much more sense (like if you follow an "evil" god he rewards certain behaviors, but also leaves enough room for stuff like a merchant god for example, where you could literally haggle for your afterlife and good/bad doesn't really apply)
 
Spergetti said:
Lol, I love that she mentions that her new game is "getting the full treatment" with a nice book with professional art, layout, and everything while she is whining about play-testing being oppressive or whatever the fuck. Her priorities are perfectly in alignment with the epitome of every new tabletop """""fan""""" who jumped into the hobby because it's cool now: presentation over gameplay. You see this every. fucking. time with these people. They would gladly spend thousands of dollars to fill their shelves with pretty art books with a rule set attached that was put together by idiots (prime example: the cunt writing this tweet). They don't care if the game is fun to play, or if it's even playable, it's not like they have actual friends or really anyone who would willingly sit in the same room with them for more than five minutes. They just want to flip through the pretty, glossy pages looking at the pictures and tweeting all day about how much they loved the latest episode of Critical Role. Seriously, an indie board game company could probably sell a hardcover rulebook for checkers for $80-$100 a pop if it included high quality fantasy or sci-fi art on glossy pages.
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Like so many other geek spaces, it's been gentrified.
 
Jet Fuel Johnny said:
A lot of these people ignore that these are fantasy medieval settings with magic, xenospecies, non-human intelligences, mystical powers, and...

Gods.

Not their atheist gods, but GODS.

Strike you down with lightning, Smite me oh might Smoter, fuck your shit up with locust, kill every first born, bring forth earthquakes, a typhoon of blood rain, undead climbing out of the graves GODS.

That is one thing I've noticed over the decades. From whining that playing a Paladin is too restrictive and too "lawful stupid" to ignoring the fact that fucking clerics can do honest to God miracles and instead treating them like healbots, while ignoring that the Gods are less the cool neo-Christian God a lesbian polyamorous otherkin preaches about while prancing around in a rainbow miniskirt and more a "Fuck your shit up so bad Azreal goes: wow, lighten up" type deity.

They've phased out one of the most fantastic parts of the series, where religion and Gods are REAL. They're perfectly fine with the cleric healbotting them all the adventure, but beyond that, religion is for the evil guy, I guess.

So when you say "Khargahst created the orcs in his image, strong, ruthless, hardy, with no feeling for those who worshipped those who betrayed him. He crafted them to survive where no other could, survive on what no other could, and promised endless rewards and pleasures to those who followed his dark and bloody creed" then go "So, yeah, they're orcs, not black people, you fucking racist" they just stare at you in confusion, because to them religion is something inbreds do.

Gods are treated more like errand boys. Prayers seem to be "bitch, heal my lesbian non-binary furry otherkin buddy" and less "Oh, might and fearful Great One, he of a thousand battles, he of a hundred arms each holding a hundred swords, please heal my friend, for he help me carry out your will in this world!"

And to me, it kind of shows why everyone is Reeeeing over shit they don't understand, because they've gotten rid of a major portion of the game.
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I think there's two reasons this falls by the wayside. One is, of course, their own atheistic fedora-man tendencies. The other is that divine intervention is something the DM should use VERY sparingly, if ever. Some settings, the various deities are all but absent (Eberron, for example) while in others failing to propitiate or mollify them -- or worse, blaspheming them -- is a lousy idea (Forgotten Realms).

Of course, the trick there is to review their words and actions, against their deity's creed. And if they're a cleric, give them the religious equivalent of a busy signal next time they try to pray for spells. They'll wise up -- or their cleric may not BE a cleric much longer.
 
DeagleNationRefugee said:
Have some tax collectors from the church show up demanding a percentage of any ill gotten treasure. If they keep doing it, well... make the party leader an archbishop I guess.
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I noticed that my groups, when they saw that the church was using it to build temples, provide healing, clothing, shelter to the poor, and other stuff, didn't really have a problem so much with it.

Of course, I always had the church be an active part of the society. The church hiring them as "expediters" to handle difficult things with rewards, quests, providing free healing quite often for serious injuries, always helped.

Rogue who doesn't throw a fit over the 'tithe" to the church, has helped recover relics, and stuff like that gets arrested by some city guard when they enter the city? The church's lawyers arrive talking about he's a good boy who dindu nuttin and was just coming into the city to go to the church and help out.

Of course, I kind of have the setting 'living' in the background where the PC's aren't the only movement in the world.

I had an entire PC-NPC rivalry start over what I thought was just fluff. The PC returned home to hear one of the people who grew up with had become mayor. A few attitude rolls later, and the war was on between them. Not with swords or daggers, but one-up-manship. It was a lot of fun for everyone, and it sounded like a soap opera in some places.

"Oh, you've returned from adventuring? Well, your sainted aunt is holding a ball in your honor, it's truly truly a shame that the best dress-makers in town are all booked up. Surely you aren't going to wear your chain mail to your aunt's party, are you?"

Then having it where the characters had to protect that childhood rival to mayor to local magistrate to Low Baron from evil NPC's and the player themselves going "I hate this asshole so much!" was a lot of fun and pretty memorable.

To be honest, the player kept expecting the childhood rival to don a black cloak and a mask and proclaim they were evil all along, but nope, they just kept out-doing politically and socially the PC.

Having a living church that collects tithes, asks the PC's to escort pilgrimages, recover relics and artifacts, provides access to ancient libraries and tomes as well as potions and scrolls, hires the PC's to protect church members, protecting the church against rival churches and enemy churches, having that removed seems to me to be removing a fun part of play.

To loop back: A lot of these people often don't seem to understand that pantheon gods don't necessarily like each other. Khargast the Orc God may loathe Gubbli-Bubbli the Goblin God and sometimes lure the PC's into burning down Bubbli's shrines and churches and killing his worshippers while the Elven God is all "Don't do that!" and trying to interfere. Meanwhile the God of the Sun, Rain, and Moon might be fighting with the God of Storms and Harvest and the crops are going to be for shit because the Goddess of Love, Lust, Fertility ran off to the Underworld with the Lord of the Dead, Murder, and the Afterlife for a torrid affair while the God of Fidelity and Laws and Contracts is fuming that she dared do such a thing.

Of course, my Gods have always been more like the Gods in Hercules and Xena. "Petty and cruel" and involved in mankind.

Nothing like finding an Arch-Angel passed out in a stable with a bunch of trollops and prostitutes after being hired by the church to find the wayward divine messenger that was supposed to deliver a sermon to the Arch-Bishop, then trying to find out what happened to the golden scroll that sermon was on. (Actually a good adventure for low level characters)
 
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