Tabletop Roleplaying Games (D&D, Pathfinder, CoC, ETC.)

[Wallace]

I'm not surprised that this is happening. This is what happens when you stop gatekeeping and try to appeal to normies. I say this from having played with some people who were doing their masters in "game design" at a major university. This black guy would go on and on about how orcs were racist because they were obviously based off of black people and elves were racist because they were based off of Asians. Now, if you were a real nerd you'd know that none of this was true at all. Which always brings me back to this diagram (except replace dudebros and girls with rabid SJWs):
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So yeah, gentrification. It looks something like this:

1. Geek Property gets noticed by the mainstream and becomes popular.
2. Locusts talk up how cool the Geek Property is, but also how it's such a shame that it comes with Undesirables occupying it.
3. Undesirables get shamed and harassed out of the Geek Property by the Locusts.
4. Geek Property owner bends the knee to the Locusts because they think it will increase profit and/or gets infested by Locusts, remakes Geek Property to appeal to Locust values while letting the things that made the Geek Property good in the first place rot.
5. The Locusts find some other new Geek Property to infest and consume.

This is what happens in video games. An intellectual property gets sanitized into something more palatable for the Locusts, and while it may look good in the trailers and on the Locust's "news" sites, the game itself is garbage.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Can we keep talking about BBEGs? I want to talk about BBEG's and get some Constructive Criticism.

First off: I must concede that I built this world and its storyline heavily on the formula of the Fire Emblem series, so it might not be the most original. I didn't want it to be.

As for the villains themselves, I am actually attempting to make a Triumvirate of BBEG's, each operating as a component of the other in the shared goal of continental conquest. The first antagonist is your classic "Evil Emperor" akin to Arvis; this one is operating as the driving force of the plot by using the army of the largest country on the continent to strike at the other two nations and win through brute force and political intrigue. For this purpose, Emperor keeps a large hierarchy of military officers and allied nobles that can act as sub-villains as the party would be thrown into or assigned to push into the Empire and/or stop smaller-scale plots throughout the continent.
My second BBEG is the cultish leader of the Dark Elves, who in this world are the technologically advanced and morally bankrupt remnants of the previous continental empire's priestly and ruling castes, driven underground. In this effort, they spent the last millennium infiltrating the governments and cultural institutions of all three countries in order to internally subvert them as well as they could in preparation for emerging and reconquering the land. Success varied, but Cultist was able to win the ear of Emperor by acting as a Rasputin figure before taking the steps that created the third BBEG. Those successful infiltrators will likely be bosses of places where I cannot reasonably place overt Imperial presence and provide opportunities to give the players technological opponents.
Said third member of the triumvirate is the Imperial Prince, possessed by the soul of the dragon that ruled the previously mentioned Dead Empire. In the vein of the inspiration, dragons ruled in the past before most went mad and their civilization collapsed. Dragon Emperor cheated this by turning himself into a Dracolich and using his amulet phylactery to hold his conscience and possess those he blood-bonded with and their descendants while his body entered hibernation; these hosts were the emperors of the precursor civilization. Dragon Prince keeps the two villainous factions together as their unifying figurehead, but he plans on awakening his body and completely razing the continent to rebuild it as he desires. What I can certifiably say is that I plan on making the final boss be fighting the host in order to defeat the Dracolich body.

I feel this might be crappy, but this is also my first attempt at DMing and worldbuilding, so I would enjoy hearing what you guys think.

 

[SuiSui1]

@Flaming Insignias No worries, it takes time and experimental with world building and double so as the DM.

So to break it down, you have Evil Emperor who I guess is Human? Evil Elvish Cult Leader and then a Imperial Prince who actually is a Evil Dragon Lich Emperor. So a total of 4 BBEGs or is it just 1 BBEG and the other 3 are just tools for them? Seems a little complicated or maybe just how you wrote it out?

So this is what I came up with from your post

At the start you can have the Emperor and the Prince have a good relationship and then introduce the Cult Leader. The Cult leader is like that evil advisor as you said but have the Prince not trust them. So the Leader gives the Prince the phylactery but they think it is just an normal amulet. Like the One Ring in Gollum's hand, the phylactery of the Draco-Lich has been wasting away in the Cult's vaults waiting for a suitable host which is the prince.

The Prince can become more aggressive, bold and arrogant over time holding the Amulet. Then down the road, I the DM would have the party come to a fork, if they kill the Prince they stop the Drago-Lich from manifesting but the Cult Leader takes over the Empire and vice a verse a.

Just my thought, hope it helps.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

@Flaming Insignias No worries, it takes time and experimental with world building and double so as the DM.

So to break it down, you have Evil Emperor who I guess is Human? Evil Elvish Cult Leader and then a Imperial Prince who actually is a Evil Dragon Lich Emperor. So a total of 4 BBEGs or is it just 1 BBEG and the other 3 are just tools for them? Seems a little complicated or maybe just how you wrote it out?

So this is what I came up with from your post
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At the start you can have the Emperor and the Prince have a good relationship and then introduce the Cult Leader. The Cult leader is like that evil advisor as you said but have the Prince not trust them. So the Leader gives the Prince the phylactery but they think it is just an normal amulet. Like the One Ring in Gollum's hand, the phylactery of the Draco-Lich has been wasting away in the Cult's vaults waiting for a suitable host which is the prince.

The Prince can become more aggressive, bold and arrogant over time holding the Amulet. Then down the road, I the DM would have the party come to a fork, if they kill the Prince they stop the Drago-Lich from manifesting but the Cult Leader takes over the Empire and vice a verse a.

Just my thought, hope it helps.

My own idea was that the cult actively wants the dracolich to return as they worship him as their god. In the backstory, they gained the graces of the emperor by healing the sickly prince before eventually giving him the amulet, which granted him his powers as a dark messiah and hijacked his personality into a violent man using his father’s empire as a basis to raze the land and rebuild the Dragon Empire. Use Fire Emblem’s Julius as a comparison for the prince, and Grima as comparison for the Dracolich.
I guess it’s really one BBEG using a meat puppet, with a twos “dragon (pardon my tv tropes)” who are currently allied on the goal of conquest but will likely butt heads when it comes to how the continent will look afterwards, with Emperor not fully aware that the Dragon Prince is completely gone. Making him understand that his son’s consciousness is destroyed and that he was used as a pawn for the cult could be used as a hook to begin crippling the Imperial Army in civil warfare. Alternatively, if any faction leader dies earlier than intended, I will have the opportunity to make the Empire more or less high-tech and cultish, as an Emperor without his Dark Elves loses access to some of their more wonderful toys, while an empire hijacked by the Cult Leader will begin going more balls-to-the-wall with their tech to compensate for losing manpower from demoralized forces. The final battle will hopefully be Dracolich, Prince, and a company of soldiers and lesser dragons against a very powerful party.

 

[BiggerChungus]

Geek Property owner bends the knee to the Locusts because they think it will increase profit and/or gets infested by Locusts, remakes Geek Property to appeal to Locust values while letting the things that made the Geek Property good in the first place rot.

That right there is the ultimate flaw. The locusts seem like a big vocal group to cater to and get cash from, but their ideology is based on being upset, outraged, and attacking something. It's why giving into crazy SJW demands never goes well, because they need shit to be upset and angry about. If you bend the knee to them and "correct" your game in their view, they're no longer upset so they no longer give a shit. You've just got boring thing they're not interested in and they'll immediately find another target. Maybe they'll put some virtue signal bucks into it briefly, but they aren't at all a solid base of customers.

 

[Wallace]

That right there is the ultimate flaw. The locusts seem like a big vocal group to cater to and get cash from, but their ideology is based on being upset, outraged, and attacking something. It's why giving into crazy SJW demands never goes well, because they need shit to be upset and angry about. If you bend the knee to them and "correct" your game in their view, they're no longer upset so they no longer give a shit. You've just got boring thing they're not interested in and they'll immediately find another target. Maybe they'll put some virtue signal bucks into it briefly, but they aren't at all a solid base of customers.

They're also loud and generate bad PR. Makes me think of paying extortion money. "Nice game you've got there. Be a shame if someone were to call it racist."

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

They're also loud and generate bad PR. Makes me think of paying extortion money. "Nice game you've got there. Be a shame if someone were to call it racist."

The sooner companies realize that by being humble and catering to the core audience, they secure their income, albeit on a smaller scale, but completely immune to the fickle whims of thin-skinned indignation-mongers, the better.

Someone who's a huge fan of a game series won't care about some asshole on Twitter going "But it has no black latinx muslim lesbian yiddish-speaking otherkin in a wheelchair! It's BIGOTTED!", he's going to buy it if it gives him more of what he liked in the past.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Me and my group are saying "Fuck it" and abandoning Pathfinder 1E and 2E (God, 2E is a fucking baby's first game trashfire. Fuck that edition), not even going to touch 5E after the whole fucking races bullshit.

We're rolling back the clock, baby.

Time for ugly bare knuckle fighting where they fighter yells at the wizard "SAVE THAT GODDAMN FIREBALL! THESE GUYS GOT NOTHING!" as he wades into 20 orcs.

We're rolling back to 2E. PHB, DMG, MC Hardback, ToM.

That's it.

Nothing else.

Because fuck these new games. I'm just fucking sick of it all.

Back to faggy elves, sneaking halflings, ugly ass pig-face orcs, and clueless humans.

 

[TFT-A9]

Back to faggy elves, sneaking halflings, ugly ass pig-face orcs, and clueless humans.

AKA "A Day in the Marine Corps"

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Me and my group are saying "Fuck it" and abandoning Pathfinder 1E and 2E (God, 2E is a fucking baby's first game trashfire. Fuck that edition), not even going to touch 5E after the whole fucking races bullshit.

We're rolling back the clock, baby.

Time for ugly bare knuckle fighting where they fighter yells at the wizard "SAVE THAT GODDAMN FIREBALL! THESE GUYS GOT NOTHING!" as he wades into 20 orcs.

We're rolling back to 2E. PHB, DMG, MC Hardback, ToM.

That's it.

Nothing else.

Because fuck these new games. I'm just fucking sick of it all.

Back to faggy elves, sneaking halflings, ugly ass pig-face orcs, and clueless humans.

You're finally an old man Johnny. Make sure the kids stay off the lawn, don't want the sound of their frolicking to interrupt your play session.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

Me and my group are saying "Fuck it" and abandoning Pathfinder 1E and 2E (God, 2E is a fucking baby's first game trashfire. Fuck that edition), not even going to touch 5E after the whole fucking races bullshit.

We're rolling back the clock, baby.

Time for ugly bare knuckle fighting where they fighter yells at the wizard "SAVE THAT GODDAMN FIREBALL! THESE GUYS GOT NOTHING!" as he wades into 20 orcs.

We're rolling back to 2E. PHB, DMG, MC Hardback, ToM.

That's it.

Nothing else.

Because fuck these new games. I'm just fucking sick of it all.

Back to faggy elves, sneaking halflings, ugly ass pig-face orcs, and clueless humans.

If you got the books and the enthusiasm than just fucking go for it. I'm a little jealous.

If you're looking into osr old school shit I also recommend Dungeon Crawl Classics and Lamentations of the Flame Princes. I've played both and have loved them.

These systems are also ones my group stick their noses up at it. We're playing genesys in place of 5e though, so I'm counting my blessings.

 

[Adamska]

Me and my group are saying "Fuck it" and abandoning Pathfinder 1E and 2E (God, 2E is a fucking baby's first game trashfire. Fuck that edition), not even going to touch 5E after the whole fucking races bullshit.

We're rolling back the clock, baby.

Time for ugly bare knuckle fighting where they fighter yells at the wizard "SAVE THAT GODDAMN FIREBALL! THESE GUYS GOT NOTHING!" as he wades into 20 orcs.

We're rolling back to 2E. PHB, DMG, MC Hardback, ToM.

That's it.

Nothing else.

Because fuck these new games. I'm just fucking sick of it all.

Back to faggy elves, sneaking halflings, ugly ass pig-face orcs, and clueless humans.

Nahh, 3.x is da way if you're gonna play DnD. THAC0 is the devil, calculating volume when casting a spell isn't much better tbh. Besides, you're still supporting the work of a woman who hated your hobby and the worst playtested edition because of her contempt of you if you dial back to ADnD. What I'm trying to say is 2e is the hipster's 5e, right up to the executives despising you as a person and enslaving the designers to their whim. You support white slavers with 2e.

The only thing 2e has that's better is that they have more supported settings that were not ruined by hack writers and their re-additions later on. ie Dark Sun, Greyhawk, and Oriental Adventures.

Anyways, here's a shortie story that was recorded yesterday (before part 1 of a 3 part finale for a game 2+ years old). In honor of a new bitchute channel

 

[Agent of Z.O.G.]

There;s a new rpg kickstarter called Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Mildly excited? TOO BAD, it's a PBTA

Spoiler: It's also got some tumblr/10 art

What's impressive is the amount of people attached to this project, it's like they managed to get everyone who's fagging up PnP and/or is a transbian to take part.
Have to make an external link since the list is so long.

And it already made $77k with a whole month to go.

 

[Waifuwars]

There;s a new rpg kickstarter called Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Mildly excited? TOO BAD, it's a PBTA

Spoiler: It's also got some tumblr/10 art

What's impressive is the amount of people attached to this project, it's like they managed to get everyone who's fagging up PnP and/or is a transbian to take part.
Have to make an external link since the list is so long.

And it already made $77k with a whole month to go.

I never got the fixation about drawing bitransBIPOC as ugly as possible. Are they somehow aware of their own repulsiveness? I wonder if one of them is going to embezzle the surplus funds like they did with Kamigakari's kickstarter. Anyways I'll wait to see if someone can liberate the PDF when (if) it's ever released. Maybe I'll run a one shot for my fellow kiwis.

 

[JektheDumbass]

Me and my group are saying "Fuck it" and abandoning Pathfinder 1E and 2E (God, 2E is a fucking baby's first game trashfire. Fuck that edition), not even going to touch 5E after the whole fucking races bullshit.

We're rolling back the clock, baby.

Time for ugly bare knuckle fighting where they fighter yells at the wizard "SAVE THAT GODDAMN FIREBALL! THESE GUYS GOT NOTHING!" as he wades into 20 orcs.

We're rolling back to 2E. PHB, DMG, MC Hardback, ToM.

That's it.

Nothing else.

Because fuck these new games. I'm just fucking sick of it all.

Back to faggy elves, sneaking halflings, ugly ass pig-face orcs, and clueless humans.

I'd love to play 2e with a GM willing to let shit go crazy. Last time I played I had a GM that was retarded with the balance shit. Like not allowing multiclassing unless everyone in the party multiclasses, giving me xp penalties because I said I tried to move quietly as a wizard (he said only thieves can move quietly and I was trying to cheat. So from that point on my character stomped as hard as he could while screaming since not doing so was cheating). He gave another character exp penalties because she was riding a horse and attacking someone on foot. Why? Because she said "I ride by and chop of his head". Because saying that is cheating.

 

[WinchesterPremium]

There;s a new rpg kickstarter called Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Mildly excited? TOO BAD, it's a PBTA

Spoiler: It's also got some tumblr/10 art

What's impressive is the amount of people attached to this project, it's like they managed to get everyone who's fagging up PnP and/or is a transbian to take part.
Have to make an external link since the list is so long.

And it already made $77k with a whole month to go.

Looks delicious. I'll do another unasked for spergy readthrough if I can find the preview PDF somewhere.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

So for context Me and L were at a bar and a bugbear tried to shake us down when we got up to leave and threatened to kill us. I was a Human Wizard/Fighter who no one yet knew was a Wizard and L was a monk. Also this campaign had guns. Anyways, I totally finessed the DM here. One of my favorite D&D moments.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Nahh, 3.x is da way if you're gonna play DnD. THAC0 is the devil, calculating volume when casting a spell isn't much better tbh. Besides, you're still supporting the work of a woman who hated your hobby and the worst playtested edition because of her contempt of you if you dial back to ADnD. What I'm trying to say is 2e is the hipster's 5e, right up to the executives despising you as a person and enslaving the designers to their whim. You support white slavers with 2e.

The only thing 2e has that's better is that they have more supported settings that were not ruined by hack writers and their re-additions later on. ie Dark Sun, Greyhawk, and Oriental Adventures.

Anyways, here's a shortie story that was recorded yesterday (before part 1 of a 3 part finale for a game 2+ years old). In honor of a new bitchute channel
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FYaVuWu5cW0

Fuck 3.X too. Too much goddamn "Oh, player empowerment" and "ooooh ,feat chains" and "oooh, magic items baked in!" bullshit.

Besides, I'm not supporting her. I'm going back to books I bought 30 years ago at the bookstore/Shopette in West Germany. She can suck my old saggy balls.

I don't have to buy shit. And if you can't figure out simple volumes in your head, then REEEEEEEEE! NORMIE GET OUT! I mean, how hard is it? LxWxH or fucking volume of a cylinder/pyramid/globe. hell, you're playing at a fucking COMPUTER for fuck's sake.

Besides, we thought about 1E, but they want some non-weapon prof.

BUT, we are using the old "Followers gained at 10th level" stuff since I have my 1E stuff too.

Hell, we even thought about doing Ravenloft.

Because fuck Forgotten Realms of Good Faggots and Sparkly Elves where evil can never even get a foothold and the dumbest motherfuckers ever got made into gods (I'm looking at you, Cyric and Midnight/Mystra, you fucking retards) because holy shit, I hate that place after the 90's.

Besides, there's not a hipster alive who could handle 1/2E.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

Because fuck Forgotten Realms of Good Faggots and Sparkly Elves where evil can never even get a foothold

Are you just forgetting that Curse Of Strahd exists?

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Are you just forgetting that Curse Of Strahd exists?

You mean that bastardized dumbed down hand holding faggoty version of I6 they made for 5E where there's a little box reminding you not to let your players mock the retard?