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Ghostse said:
Anyway, you simp for PF2e and I think its terrible, and flipped roles for DD4e. We're not going to change the others mind, so lets not edition war.
In otherwords, to use terms you'll understand, I'm x-carding your fellating of PF2e.
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that's not the gotcha you might think it is, because I don't think 4e is terrible, quite the contrary. but I also don't think explaining the x-card in a single paragraph in a sidebar buried in the GM section of a 600+ page book most people won't read anyway is pozzed (just par the course for current year, if not quite restrained for a company located in a literal liberal shithole). beyond that I look at the material itself and judge it on it's own.

I don't really give a fuck what edition of which system someone plays or thinks is better, just applying the scales equally. same way I'd point that out for wotc (if they could ever stop being retarded for 5 seconds).

Ghostse said:
The problem with buying a currently supported product is people like to support the things they like.

That is, if you like 4e (3.5, or 3, or 2, or 1A or B/x) there is no pathway to give Wizards money for the product. PF2e is a currently supported product line people can find things to give Paizo (who hates them) money.
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paizo rules are free, so you wouldn't even have to pirate.
besides that printed books have to come from somewhere, wotc already got the money, and in the end you're still playing BRAND by WOKE COMPANY.

Ghostse said:
Also I meant in regards to playerbase. Most 5e players won't touch 4e because of the rep: They are posers, everyone says that 4e is yucky, so they don't look into it because they don't want to outted as a poser. Generally who plays 4e was least willing to think for themselves for a little bit and go against the grog.

That doesn't mean you're some hiveminder if you looked at it and didn't like it, but we're talking about keeping 5e genderspecials away from your table.
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retards called 4e yucky before 5e was even a thing (and arguably 5e is the thing it is because of it). system/edition elitism is dumb since everything past 2e was always considered casual shit real grognards scoffed at.

5e genderspecials only play 5e, pf2 or 4e don't matter because it's simply not 5e. which means if you play anything else you already filter most of the crap out, and anyone else is piss easy to spot, either by their retarded use of pronouns or the first 5 minutes when talking about what characters they want to play and/or what they expect from the game, since genderspecials and woketards can never stop flaunting how special and woke they are.
after that it's mostly the same hit-or-miss group dynamics of socially stunted nerds that might go off over the most miniscule thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Ghostse said:
I'm offended and outraged. That is too nice for Knifears.
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It took a lot to bring me on board, but I'm going to side with the weirdoes who fuck knife-eared cannibal treefuckers over Niggers of the Coast.
ZMOT said:
besides that printed books have to come from somewhere, wotc already got the money, and in the end you're still playing BRAND by WOKE COMPANY.
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Solution: only play shit from while Gygax was still involved. Everything after is complete shit.
 
ZMOT said:
besides that printed books have to come from somewhere, wotc already got the money
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Typically, the publisher gets advances on books shipped to stores, and eats some or all of the cost if the books don't sell.

ZMOT said:
system/edition elitism is dumb since everything past 2e was always considered casual shit real grognards scoffed at.
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Grognards hated 2e. REEEEEEE HILL GIANTS ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO HAVE 8 HIT DICE REEEEEEEEE
 
Ya know, I'd get behind that. If we had magic potions to swap someone's body around, hey, why not. More power to 'em. My issue with troons is that they roleplay having different bodies, poorly, and want other people to play along that the yeti in fashion belonging on a 6-year-old girl is really a woman. If we had the technology to legitimately reshape their bodies to whatever they want so they could turn into a real woman and shut the fuck up about it, it would be vastly less irritating to me.

That crosses over to the whole combat wheelchair bullshit for me; in a world where random wandering clerics can just fix anything up to and including being stone cold dead, nobody has any excuse for being a cripple unless they're some dirt-poor hobo, which most adventurers definitely are not. A troon has no excuse for being a troon in a setting where various magic items can just swap your sex in an instant.
 
robobobo said:
A troon has no excuse for being a troon in a setting where various magic items can just swap your sex in an instant.
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Autogynephiles would have terrifying consequences on the Fantasy sex industry. With autos being constantly horny, STIs would skyrocket in cities. The commoner would have to ask a wizard for a "Detect tranny scroll" before having to have sex with any women, knowing the dangers of "Necromancer Cooch," "Pyromancer's Curse," and "Illithid Flesh-eaters."

(The only benefit to this is that orks will begin to avoid rape, knowing the dangers.)
 
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robobobo said:
Ya know, I'd get behind that. If we had magic potions to swap someone's body around, hey, why not. More power to 'em. My issue with troons is that they roleplay having different bodies, poorly, and want other people to play along that the yeti in fashion belonging on a 6-year-old girl is really a woman. If we had the technology to legitimately reshape their bodies to whatever they want so they could turn into a real woman and shut the fuck up about it, it would be vastly less irritating to me.

That crosses over to the whole combat wheelchair bullshit for me; in a world where random wandering clerics can just fix anything up to and including being stone cold dead, nobody has any excuse for being a cripple unless they're some dirt-poor hobo, which most adventurers definitely are not. A troon has no excuse for being a troon in a setting where various magic items can just swap your sex in an instant.
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That's what annoys me when they do that kinda shit. It's a world of magic and completely different possibilities. It's not completely out of the realms of possibility that someone there would develop gender dysphoria (the real kind, not just the "social media made me do it" version that infests the western world these days), but their reaction to it would be completely different. If you can wake up the opposite sex by drinking the right potion, or by making the right offering at the Temple of Hermaphroditia, Goddess of Fucking Around, there would be no thoughts of surgery or "pronouns". Someone in that world wouldn't insist in being called a woman, they'd just go and become a woman. They wouldn't be special, they'd just be someone with a practical problem.

Same thing with the combat wheelchair. You could see wheelchairs (or more likely carts) for situations where someone is too poor to acquire the necessary potion or make the right offering, or maybe they just live too far from the Grand Temple of Orthopedicus and can't get a Bone Priest to pray over their mangled leg. But when you get to adventurers, people whose entire job is to travel and get into trouble for money and fame? The next step up from a completely mundane wooden wheelchair would be a goddamn Potion of Greater Restoration and your legs suddenly working again.
 
That's another, related thing. Unlike modern day where you can dye your head purple and slouch around with your gunt hanging out, PCs in RPGs are typically in a line of work where their bodies are their primary asset. Even the wizard in the back is traveling long distances in rough terrain, sleeping in caves, carrying all their shit on their back, etc, and unless they're magically levitating themselves and their stuff everywhere, they're probably getting far more exercise than an easy 80% of modern people in industrialized countries. If you can't carry your food and supplies while walking twenty miles a day in a fantasy setting, you have a significant problem. Your average adventurer is probably skinny with muscles like piano wires, no flabbos and definitely no non-functional limbs. People who are not strong and healthy can't even get from point A to point B in a fantasy world, much less feed themselves off the land and still be in shape to fight for their lives day or night.
 
robobobo said:
That's another, related thing. Unlike modern day where you can dye your head purple and slouch around with your gunt hanging out, PCs in RPGs are typically in a line of work where their bodies are their primary asset. Even the wizard in the back is traveling long distances in rough terrain, sleeping in caves, carrying all their shit on their back, etc, and unless they're magically levitating themselves and their stuff everywhere, they're probably getting far more exercise than an easy 80% of modern people in industrialized countries. If you can't carry your food and supplies while walking twenty miles a day in a fantasy setting, you have a significant problem. Your average adventurer is probably skinny with muscles like piano wires, no flabbos and definitely no non-functional limbs. People who are not strong and healthy can't even get from point A to point B in a fantasy world, much less feed themselves off the land and still be in shape to fight for their lives day or night.
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Unfortunately these people have either an inability, or more likely, a complete disregard for simulating the consequences of a fantasy world. They'd rather pretend to be themselves, unchanged, running a coffee shop than actually put any effort into understanding what exactly it takes to be an adventurer. I still can't fathom why they've decided to attach themselves to a franchise predicated on sword and sorcery adventuring.
 
Corn Flakes said:
That's what annoys me when they do that kinda shit. It's a world of magic and completely different possibilities. It's not completely out of the realms of possibility that someone there would develop gender dysphoria (the real kind, not just the "social media made me do it" version that infests the western world these days), but their reaction to it would be completely different. If you can wake up the opposite sex by drinking the right potion, or by making the right offering at the Temple of Hermaphroditia, Goddess of Fucking Around, there would be no thoughts of surgery or "pronouns". Someone in that world wouldn't insist in being called a woman, they'd just go and become a woman. They wouldn't be special, they'd just be someone with a practical problem.
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This reminds me of something from Ars Magica:

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So, you say you're a woman? No problem, Muto Corpus has you covered. Now, I'm going to stop maintaining the spell. If you really are a women, then you've got the perfect transition you wanted, and for free. If you're not, then you'll turn back into a man when I stop maintaining the spell. Either way, this question will be settled.

But yes, agree hard that they don't want to be a woman, or disabled. They want all the social capital that comes with their condition and none of the costs.
 
Corn Flakes said:
Same thing with the combat wheelchair. You could see wheelchairs (or more likely carts) for situations where someone is too poor to acquire the necessary potion or make the right offering, or maybe they just live too far from the Grand Temple of Orthopedicus and can't get a Bone Priest to pray over their mangled leg. But when you get to adventurers, people whose entire job is to travel and get into trouble for money and fame? The next step up from a completely mundane wooden wheelchair would be a goddamn Potion of Greater Restoration and your legs suddenly working again.
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I mean, I'm sure a gnome would make a combat wheelchair just because he could... although since we're discussing gnomes it would probably be more like a steampunk APU. You can make the concept work, but just... not the way they fucking did it considering it has zero downsides.
 
Ghostse said:
WTF I love the direction WotC is going now
Inb4 they are replaced with Kender or Gnomes
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Remember: they did remove Gully Dwarves from Krynn. That meant they had the chance and knew they could get rid of kender, but refused to pull the trigger.

Also a bit of brain pain: Kender look like children. It is said as such by a paladin nonce in those books I didn't read who finds out he has a half-kender kid. Also half-kender exists and was not mentioned in their purge against race mixing like the KKK they are. Notice what Wizards did not include this one or Tiefling in their war against breeding against half-breeds.

You're welcome.
 
Snekposter said:
I mean, I'm sure a gnome would make a combat wheelchair just because he could... although since we're discussing gnomes it would probably be more like a steampunk APU. You can make the concept work, but just... not the way they fucking did it considering it has zero downsides.
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Well, yeah. But that's fun. That's cool. That's something someone came up with because they thought it would be neat, and it's an interesting one-off piece of set dressing. And the uniqueness of the item should be emphasized, because that's what makes it cool.

Really, in a world with those Combat Wheelchairs, you'd soon have entire fantasy armies with mechanized divisions full of indestructible assholes in flying wheelchairs. That's how dumb and poorly thought-out those things are. On the other hand, a gnomish kingdom making use of wheeled self-propelled and heavily armed and armored steampunk battle chairs, piloted by wounded soldiers because the gnomes have no divine magic available to heal their cripples? Now that is an idea you can really sink your teeth into, and something with many implications outside of just "look at me, I'm special!".
 
Corn Flakes said:
Well, yeah. But that's fun. That's cool. That's something someone came up with because they thought it would be neat, and it's an interesting one-off piece of set dressing. And the uniqueness of the item should be emphasized, because that's what makes it cool.

Really, in a world with those Combat Wheelchairs, you'd soon have entire fantasy armies with mechanized divisions full of indestructible assholes in flying wheelchairs. That's how dumb and poorly thought-out those things are. On the other hand, a gnomish kingdom making use of wheeled self-propelled and heavily armed and armored steampunk battle chairs, piloted by wounded soldiers because the gnomes have no divine magic available to heal their cripples? Now that is an idea you can really sink your teeth into, and something with many implications outside of just "look at me, I'm special!".
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Okay, gnomish steam tank wheelchairs? Before you had my interest, but now you have my attention.
 
robobobo said:
People who are not strong and healthy can't even get from point A to point B in a fantasy world, much less feed themselves off the land and still be in shape to fight for their lives day or night.
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In a real RPG, the adventurers would realize the gimp in a wheelchair was not worth bringing along and would just chuck him off a cliff.
 
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