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I know this is hard for Kyle to understand but black people and women don't really like D&D. I know that for some reason, just like the game industry, the tabletop RPG industry just wants their audience to be black LGBTQ women but that is not an sustainable audience that will give you profit and growth. Most women who have disposable income don't use that money to buy D&D products. Sure, WotC has tried to cater more to female audience especially with Critical Role which has a large female fanbase but even then the numbers is nothing compared to the number of male players. Then their is the black audience that these companies want so fucking bad.
I have news for Kyle and WotC, most black people, especially black kids, don't like D&D and table tops. TMI, I have a few cousins who are black. They are in their teens and the things they like is manga. All their black friends also are obsessed with manga. I asked them once if they would be interested in D&D and they told me; "No, it sounds lame and gay." It is amazing to me how utterly out of touch these companies are. I guess when all you care about is raising your ESG score you start to lose sight of the bigger picture.
 
I know this is late as shit, but; has anyone ever done a review for that Coyote & Crow wokeshit game? Found a copy of the sourcebook myself and read a little bit of it; didn't get to finish or buy it, was hoping that someone here's already savaged it. If not, I can at least mock the fucking idiotic backstory and the devs trying to talk smack about "non-indigenous players".
I know they are trying to bring it to Brazil...
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Because OF COURSE they want to bring this leftist bullshit for my country. Fuck. My. Life.
 
I know they are trying to bring it to Brazil...
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Because OF COURSE they want to bring this leftist bullshit for my country. Fuck. My. Life.
Wait, hold up.

I thought Brazilian natives were, like... literally naked savages living in thatch huts when the Spanish showed up. A whole different stock of people from American indians, or even the Andean peoples. How does that work? Who gets to play that game there?
 
I don't think anyone here cared enough to actually go looking? Last we checked the devs were begging whitey to buy their product, even though their spent their entire Kickstarter period telling white people they were not welcome.

So, if you've got some interesting bits and pieces to share from the book itself, by all means.
Well, I do have a few things; didn't get to really read too much of the book, so I didn't get a chance to really dive into the main mechanics of everything, but I was able to review the so-called "backstory", the overall set-up for the story, and watch the devs sperg about how non-Indians shouldn't be allowed to play games.

As expected, the game is complete shit. Case in point: the first thing I read was a "request" of sorts from the author, asking any and all Indian players to feel free to incorporate their cultures and ideas into the story, gushing at length at how the natives have rich cultures and myths that could help the world. Immediately afterwards, we get a second write-up from the author "requesting"/demanding that non-native players shouldn't be allowed to play the game at all, unless it was under the watchful eye of an Indian DM. The book started pissing at length at how any ideas that non-native players would create are all obviously based on "Hollywood" and are therefore wrong, and how the Europeans were never able to create anything good unless it involved "slavery" or "torture" or shit.

Backstory-wise, the book utilizes a mixture of in-universe and out-of-universe shit to try and sell the plot; think Hc Svnt Dracones. The "backstory" starts with the author again bitching about how everything was just fine and peaceful for the Indians until the Europeans showed up, talking about how the Indians had a "perfect society" that was ruined by the Europeans arriving and bringing their "diseases and slavery" over and destroying everything. The book then tries to ask "what if" and proposes a scenario where the Europeans never crossed the sea.

In this case, approximately 700 years ago, around 1500 A.D. - apparently the game takes place around 2200 - a massive cataclysm struck the Earth. The book tries to act like the cause was "disputed" for some reason; the spiritual explanation was that a "great spirit" showed up and turned the world into a frozen wasteland for some reason, while the "scientific" explanation was that a large-ass meteor hit the European continent and caused a second ice age. The entire white race was wiped out, while said Indians managed to survive the next several hundred years. According to the book, the scientific and spiritual reasons for said apocalypse are both perfectly true... which makes me think that Earth got hit by Lavos from Chrono Trigger, but that's beside the point. It also doesn't mention anything about what might have happened to Africa, Asia, Australia, or anywhere else; no, as long as the whyte pypeo die and the Indians survive, the author is happy.

Anyway, several hundred years later, the Indians manage to work their way on up to a fairly decent society, at least capable of proper medicine, when they start noticing these strange purple marks popping up all over plants and animals and stuff. By harvesting stuff from the affected animals and plants and injecting directly into the brains of children - so, apparently, the Indians are fine with experimenting on kids now - the Indians promptly turn themselves superhuman, allowing them to create perfect utopian societies over the next several hundred years.

And... that's pretty much it. The book starts rambling how "perfect" the Indians are:

- how they have perfect calendars because Christianity never reached them

- there're no "colonizer" inventions like firearms, vehicles, fried food and coffee so everyone still uses bows, swords, clubs, and knives and either walks everywhere or uses "hovercrafts" or some shit

- everyone is super tolerant of everything and everything is awesome forever

The book does note that the different Injun tribes did start warring with each other again; apparently, it's over territorial disputes or some shit, I couldn't tell. It does also bring up that the Aztec and Mayan and similar societies ended up surviving, but the book doesn't give anything about them, other than that they "want to open their borders and share their culture" with the Injuns, so... there's that.

Notably, I did manage to get a quick look at the ideas for player campaigns... or, rather, the lack of them. I, uh, couldn't find anything mentioning what the hell the protagonists were actually supposed to do; there's plenty on how to create a character and such - notably, the game basically just copies and pastes White Wolf's character creator for itself - as well as indicating that the PCs were supposed to be warring with other tribes for the sake of land expansion, but not anything really substantial. There's not even any actual antagonists in the damn book, as while it does point out that the Injuns might fight against other Injuns or wild beasts, I couldn't find any stats for anything, and there's no one really villainous either. Just "perfect Injuns in a perfect utopia".

Seriously, there's no point playing the damn game; there's no threat, no story, nothing to do, nothing. Fucking hell, Hc Svnt Dracones, which was a tabletop version of Chakona Fucking Space, at the very least had antagonists and shit to do, but this game has practically nothing. It's a complete waste of time and effort, crapped out by some wokeshit loon with an Injun fetish.

At the very least, it's an example of how not to make an RPG; if anything, I think the author's little Mary Sue race might be a fun antagonist, but there's still not really anything of value here. Certainly isn't worth the +70$ price tag...


EDIT: Found some fags talking about the game:




Naturally, the wokies are all over the game. At least, there's some people willing to savage this shit:


Anyone got thoughts of their own? Me, personally, it makes me wonder what other races the wokies want to try and fetishize next; we've had blacks, Indians, Chinese, North Koreans, Jews, Arabs, Gypsies, who's next?
 
Wait, hold up.

I thought Brazilian natives were, like... literally naked savages living in thatch huts when the Spanish showed up. A whole different stock of people from American indians, or even the Andean peoples. How does that work? Who gets to play that game there?
Portugueses, who fucked everyone in sight, literally. Most of natives here lives in north, in Amazonas to be more precise, the real ones. The rest are LARPers, who are mostly white as fuck, mulatos (half-black) or caboclos (half-native/half-black) who say they're natives to get money.

And no, its not make sense to bring a book about Injun Joe and The Amazing Red Skins to Bananaland. Most people not going to buy it or play. Its just happing because Diversity Points and absolute stupid reasons.
 
I know this is hard for Kyle to understand but black people and women don't really like D&D. I know that for some reason, just like the game industry, the tabletop RPG industry just wants their audience to be black LGBTQ women but that is not an sustainable audience that will give you profit and growth. Most women who have disposable income don't use that money to buy D&D products. Sure, WotC has tried to cater more to female audience especially with Critical Role which has a large female fanbase but even then the numbers is nothing compared to the number of male players. Then their is the black audience that these companies want so fucking bad.
I have news for Kyle and WotC, most black people, especially black kids, don't like D&D and table tops. TMI, I have a few cousins who are black. They are in their teens and the things they like is manga. All their black friends also are obsessed with manga. I asked them once if they would be interested in D&D and they told me; "No, it sounds lame and gay." It is amazing to me how utterly out of touch these companies are. I guess when all you care about is raising your ESG score you start to lose sight of the bigger picture.
Anything that women don't like is automatically bad. If it was good, women would like it. Progressives are just the 21st century's finger-wagging church ladies, except they're trying to get kids to read porn instead of the Bible.
 
I know this is hard for Kyle to understand but black people and women don't really like D&D. I know that for some reason, just like the game industry, the tabletop RPG industry just wants their audience to be black LGBTQ women but that is not an sustainable audience that will give you profit and growth. Most women who have disposable income don't use that money to buy D&D products. Sure, WotC has tried to cater more to female audience especially with Critical Role which has a large female fanbase but even then the numbers is nothing compared to the number of male players. Then their is the black audience that these companies want so fucking bad.
I have news for Kyle and WotC, most black people, especially black kids, don't like D&D and table tops. TMI, I have a few cousins who are black. They are in their teens and the things they like is manga. All their black friends also are obsessed with manga. I asked them once if they would be interested in D&D and they told me; "No, it sounds lame and gay." It is amazing to me how utterly out of touch these companies are. I guess when all you care about is raising your ESG score you start to lose sight of the bigger picture.

I have discovered there is the rare Negro Nerd, but when it comes to this.. yeah, even the black geeks I've run into are too concerned about image to sit around playing pretend.
Black boys (and girls for the most part) aren't allowed to imagine. That is gay acting white shit, and discouraged.

Asians though totally up for it, but they like whitey's shit better than weird asian stuff.
 
I have discovered there is the rare Negro Nerd, but when it comes to this.. yeah, even the black geeks I've run into are too concerned about image to sit around playing pretend.
Black boys (and girls for the most part) aren't allowed to imagine. That is gay acting white shit, and discouraged.

Asians though totally up for it, but they like whitey's shit better than weird asian stuff.
I met the rare black nerd before. It was at my local computer shop. I was getting a new gaming PC and this black guy, who was the nerdiest black guy I ever met, struck up a conversation with me about my new gaming PC and the types of games I should consider getting on Steam. Really nice guy. However, such a nerd like him is rare. The problem with WotC and many of these companies that cater to nerds is they think that there is a huge black demographic that is bigger then the white male demographic. There's not. You can fill your settings with as many strong, powerful, Mary-Sue black people as you can and black people will still not buy this shit. But you know what they will buy? Manga. Every minority person I know buys and read manga and most manga characters are white or Japanese.
 
tl;dr:
When asked "where are all the niggers in charge?" Kyle has to mealmouth the corpo-line to try explain why the executives are all white. As part of that, he tilts his hand that he wants white men out of the hobby, trying to say about how they're hiring (and underpaying) niggers and faggots, and if you just keep buying WotC products they'll replace whitey.
Hey Kyle, if you want more black people in executive positions, how about you give up your spot?
 
Every minority person I know buys and read manga and most manga characters are white or Japanese.

its because Manga hasn't be cucked via globohomo. It has simple stories with straight forward motivations, male characters who act like men and attractive waifus who look and act feminine.
 
This is (slightly) inflamatory misquote.



tl;dr:
When asked "where are all the niggers in charge?" Kyle has to mealmouth the corpo-line to try explain why the executives are all white. As part of that, he tilts his hand that he wants white men out of the hobby, trying to say about how they're hiring (and underpaying) niggers and faggots, and if you just keep buying WotC products they'll replace whitey.
To be honest, the full quote does not make him sound better.
 
@Scream Aim Fire Thanks for the write-up. Wow, that worldbuilding is bad. For an author that is Native American, he doesn’t know much about Native history. It’s unfortunate that America has romanticized native civilizations, because they were just as violent and as peaceful as any other civilization on Earth.

And if the Aztec are supposed to be friendly, well, they certainly could change over 700 years, but show us an evolved Aztec people. I’d much rather play in that setting. Give me sci-fi Apocalypto!
 
Fucking hilarious the author of Cunt and Crock spews shit about "Hollywood" when their whole badly written world is literally all movie-level noble savages and the trope of "all Indians were actually brothers and totally didn't kill each other all the time".
 
And if the Aztec are supposed to be friendly, well, they certainly could change over 700 years,
A society like the Aztec and Maya wasn't going to change without extreme external intervention. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional and playing propaganda for the “civilization” built on human sacrifice
 
I know this is hard for Kyle to understand but black people and women don't really like D&D.

I have discovered there is the rare Negro Nerd, but when it comes to this.. yeah, even the black geeks I've run into are too concerned about image to sit around playing pretend.
Completely untrue. I knew plenty of black people and women who played D&D and other tabletop games. I played with them and was among their number. Now, that doesn't mean you can sustain a hobby on that demographic alone. But it does put to lie this idea that Black people and women weren't playing D&D prior to Critical Role or the rise of wokism. Hell, that infamous Dungeons & Dragon commercial from back in the day (you know the one where the players became animated avatars of their characters) had a girl as one of the players.
 
@Scream Aim Fire Thanks for the write-up. Wow, that worldbuilding is bad. For an author that is Native American, he doesn’t know much about Native history. It’s unfortunate that America has romanticized native civilizations, because they were just as violent and as peaceful as any other civilization on Earth.

Here's the thing; I'm not actually sure if the guy is actually Native American. For starters, he claims that he's Cherokee, which is by far the easiest tribe to claim citizenship with; I also don't think he's ever actually shown any legitimate confirmation of citizenship. Secondly, there has been a rather large rise in people claiming to be "trans-racial"; i.e., they claim to be another race than what they actually biologically are. Thirdly, as @RA-5C Vigilante mentioned, there's a crippling lack of research into actual Native customs and such; if anything, a lot of the shit I read sounds more Neopaganism than Native, which is backed up by a few of the C&C players I found mentioned fighting against the "Patriarchy".

All in all, this sounds more like a wokeshit game made to get oppression points and cater to self-hating whites.

And if the Aztec are supposed to be friendly, well, they certainly could change over 700 years, but show us an evolved Aztec people. I’d much rather play in that setting. Give me sci-fi Apocalypto!
A society like the Aztec and Maya wasn't going to change without extreme external intervention. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional and playing propaganda for the “civilization” built on human sacrifice

Yeah, the Aztec civilization in particular was well-known for the staggering amount of sacrifice shit they did; that's exactly why the "evil whyte pypeo" were able to beat them, because the Aztecs ended up pissing off literally everyone else around them and practically handed the Spanish a shit-ton of allies on a silver platter. Seriously, trying to act as if the Aztecs would be willing to open up their borders and share their culture is just... completely insane; granted, the book didn't actually go too far into them, so it's possible that the mention of the Aztecs might be a set-up for future antagonists, but that's a bit too optimistic for this game.

Fucking hilarious the author of Cunt and Crock spews shit about "Hollywood" when their whole badly written world is literally all movie-level noble savages and the trope of "all Indians were actually brothers and totally didn't kill each other all the time".

About the only thing it got right, I found, was that the book at least acknowledged that the Indian tribes constantly went to war with one another by making it the (only) story hook we have; apparently, the modern wokeshit Injuns started up wars to try and get more land from each other, which the PCs are expected to get involved in some way. However, the book didn't really get into that; it was mostly just rambling how the C&C Injuns were perfect and how the "real-life perfect Injuns" had their "glorious future stolen from them by the evil whyte pypeo".

At the very least, the wokeshit savages make fun antagonists; there's a lot of cross-over from the C&C and WoD fandoms, and the C&C Injuns fit right in with the W:tA Wendigo and Ukteka, I found. Hell, I actually found someone running a crossover campaign between the two, with the Europeans managing to survive the apocalypse and creating the Pentex company to try and get their economy fixed up. They were supposed to be the villains of course - have the Injuns and Garou kill off the whities for the sake of "muh Gaia" and shit - but it still made Pentex/Europeans look more interesting than the sparkleshit Injuns and wolves.

Also, apologizes if the post looks a bit weird; I need to clear my cache.
 
The problem with WotC and many of these companies that cater to nerds is they think that there is a huge black demographic that is bigger then the white male demographic.

They believe they can appeal to the entire Not-White-Male demographic by following woke prescriptions about representation and whatever. Another twist is that the woke say that white male toxicity is a major factor keeping the other 70% of the population out, so getting rid of us completely should more than double their customer base.
 
Completely untrue. I knew plenty of black people and women who played D&D and other tabletop games. I played with them and was among their number. Now, that doesn't mean you can sustain a hobby on that demographic alone. But it does put to lie this idea that Black people and women weren't playing D&D prior to Critical Role or the rise of wokism. Hell, that infamous Dungeons & Dragon commercial from back in the day (you know the one where the players became animated avatars of their characters) had a girl as one of the players.
In the 80s my mother played old-school D&D. She said some of the guys in her group definitely thought it should be boys-only and kind of resented her presence, but obviously this exclusionary attitude was not much of a problem because she actually got to play the game and have fun.
 
What makes this doubly hilarious is that when Mr. Welch adapted over the Native expy culture from Mystara to fifth edition, he did a much better job by going to people from those cultures and asking “So what does cool look like to you?”
 
I met the rare black nerd before. It was at my local computer shop. I was getting a new gaming PC and this black guy, who was the nerdiest black guy I ever met, struck up a conversation with me about my new gaming PC and the types of games I should consider getting on Steam. Really nice guy. However, such a nerd like him is rare. The problem with WotC and many of these companies that cater to nerds is they think that there is a huge black demographic that is bigger then the white male demographic. There's not. You can fill your settings with as many strong, powerful, Mary-Sue black people as you can and black people will still not buy this shit. But you know what they will buy? Manga. Every minority person I know buys and read manga and most manga characters are white or Japanese.
The appeal of DnD is privileged individuals pretending to live in a world of adventure and action. Black nerds don't need that when going to get milk can get you blasted for 6d6 damage by a thug doing a driveby.
 
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