UN Swedish Election Megathread

Rio · Sep 14, 2018

ICametoLurk said:
Straigt from wikipaedo:

>Michael Aastrup Jensen, a Liberal Party member of the Danish Parliament, observed the Swedish election in Malmö. He stated that, having observed many elections, including some in Russia and Eastern Europe, he had never seen one nearly as undemocratic as in Sweden, and that the Swedish process was far from what would be allowed even in Eastern European countries. He considered that one problem was the presence of "party soldiers" standing outside the door of the election room, pressing the voters and trying to give them the ballots of their party. There is a bill under consideration by the Riksdag to strengthen ballot secrecy, but Jensen stated that it would not get rid of the party soldiers. Jensen is the chairman of the Danish delegation to the Council of Europe, and he promised to raise the issue there.

And this is the source: https://www.b.dk/globalt/venstre-ordfoerer-svensk-stemmesystem-langt-fra-europaeisk-standard

Anyway, is this sperglord right? Muh Eastern Europe, muh Rusha, muh party soldiers, muh most undemocratic election EVAH!!!

No. Not really. The Swedish election system is by no means perfect, but to compare it to a system where the incumbent leader very blatantly cheats the election every time and all his opposing candidates mysteriously leave the race, disappear or get banned from running in some way one after another and say 'yeah no, Sweden's is worse' is blatant clickbaiting.

MidUSA · Sep 14, 2018

Fleshy Sanik said:
Why not simply just have a blank sheet where you write who you vote for in pen? Problem solved?

Blank sheets are supplied, so that is an option. It's often nessecary for supporters of smaller new parties, since they don't have the resources to have sheets distributed to all polling stations.

Using blank sheets have two problems though.

First, using a blank sheet often precludes you from voting for specific persons within the party, allowing voters to somewhat steer the party in a certain direction. This is no big deal, but Secondly:

Using blank sheets you need to write the exact legal name of the party, no extra spaces, periods etc. This opens up for every vote being subject to human judgement from the person counting it which may be (and often are) biased.

Terran Wraith · Sep 14, 2018

The Social Democrats won. What a surprise.
It's not like having a welfare state is a continuous political campaign...

Silence of the Troons · Sep 14, 2018

Terran Wraith said:
The Social Democrats won. What a surprise.
It's not like having a welfare state is a continuous political campaign...

That, and the fact that they have imported voting cattle through immigration also helps. Here's a map of 20 of Sweden's most "vulnerable areas" and how they voted; guess which staple belongs to the Social Democrats?

I think it's rather far-fetched to say that there's been massive electoral fraud like in the worst of dictatorships or that we are somehow worse than Russia. Foreigners like to talk about how Sweden has turned into Swedistan or whatever, but... nah. The danskjävel (to quote Ernst-Hugo Järegård) is exaggerating. That being said, the guy is correct in that we need to strengthen voting secrecy and there have been examples of minor voting fraud (biased tellers hiding voting ballots from parties they don't like, "clan voting" or attempts to buy "clan votes", the Social Democrats spreading blatant lies about the right-wing parties in Arabic et cetera).

Terran Wraith · Sep 14, 2018

ATaxingWoman said:
That, and the fact that they have imported voting cattle through immigration also helps. Here's a map of 20 of Sweden's most "vulnerable areas" and how they voted; guess which staple belongs to the Social Democrats?
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I think it's rather far-fetched to say that there's been massive electoral fraud like in the worst of dictatorships or that we are somehow worse than Russia. Foreigners like to talk about how Sweden has turned into Swedistan or whatever, but... nah. The danskjävel (to quote Ernst-Hugo Järegård) is exaggerating. That being said, the guy is correct in that we need to strengthen voting secrecy and there have been examples of minor voting fraud (biased tellers hiding voting ballots from parties they don't like, "clan voting" or attempts to buy "clan votes", the Social Democrats spreading blatant lies about the right-wing parties in Arabic et cetera).

Europeans vote with what they (are made to) think they should be voting for. Non-Europeans vote as a block. A unified voting block that is more centralized will get a lot more attention from politicians. They simply have to. So yes, the "left" is pretty much importing and breeding their own voter base and using their domination of media and education will pretty much reprogram the culture of the people. Politics are downstream from culture after all.

I won't defend democracy, but it is simply not designed to deal with "diversity" and demographic trends. Democracy was a way to dismantle the old aristocracy (also lots of beheading) to make way for the bourgeois. And to settle differences between the elite in the post-aristocratic era.
The fact that money and people are free to move pretty much makes cheating in the system self evident. Also real elites have zero interest in "making things uncucked" as the health of nations and countries and their financial interests are not the same.

People usually point out the flaws of Sweden because they have standards there. I doubt anybody have any expectations towards Russia with "muh democracy".

MidUSA · Sep 14, 2018

ATaxingWoman said:
That, and the fact that they have imported voting cattle through immigration also helps. Here's a map of 20 of Sweden's most "vulnerable areas" and how they voted; guess which staple belongs to the Social Democrats?
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"I'll have those niggers voting Social Democrat for the next 200 years"

Smaug's Smokey Hole · Sep 14, 2018

MidUSA said:
Using blank sheets you need to write the exact legal name of the party, no extra spaces, periods etc. This opens up for every vote being subject to human judgement from the person counting it which may be (and often are) biased.

Much to the chagrin of SVP, the neo-nazi party, during the last election. Some of their brethren kant spel gud.

ATaxingWoman said:
That, and the fact that they have imported voting cattle through immigration also helps. Here's a map of 20 of Sweden's most "vulnerable areas" and how they voted; guess which staple belongs to the Social Democrats?
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There's also something else going on in that graphic, look at the one to the right of the greens, that's the Swedish Democrats. A couple of years ago SD had support from 15% of men born abroad and 10% of women born abroad, so they have been going multi-culti for a while. Some would think it's shocking that immigrants would vote for an anti-immigration party and there's been plenty of crying about that, but more immigration means more immigrants getting mindlessly crammed into areas already full of immigrants.
The reason some of them turn to SD can be (overly) simplified to a meme:ish "Fuck off, we're full!". Especially now that we're really scraping the bottom of the barrel to get that sweet immigrant fix.

The idea that all immigrants don't love each other is a foreign concept, that they're racist as fuck towards other ethnicities isn't allowed to be acknowledged either. There's been some rumblings though, some studies and articles, that says it's maybe time to talk more openly about that particular gushing font of racism in society.

But, to borrow something you said, it will probably just end with KÄBBEL.

Maybe Swedish politics is just some kind of IKEA-themed purgatory?

Big Nasty · Sep 14, 2018

The problem with elections in Sweden:

Too large welfare industry.
Too many welfare clients.

Your Weird Fetish · Sep 14, 2018

Big Nasty said:
The problem with elections in Sweden:

Swedes.

UN Swedish Election Megathread

Rio

Smug Elliot Page

MidUSA

Terran Wraith

Go ahead, commander.

Silence of the Troons

Feel the trans joy

Terran Wraith

Go ahead, commander.

MidUSA

Smaug's Smokey Hole

Closed for summer

Big Nasty

Blow your speakers with rock 'n roll

Your Weird Fetish

Intersectional fetishist