UN Swedish Election Megathread

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_general_election,_2018

The 2018 Swedish general election, scheduled for Sunday 9 September 2018, will elect the members of the Riksdag which in turn will elect the Prime Minister of Sweden.

Political parties in the riksdag

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Socialdemokraterna (The Social Democrats) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Social_Democratic_Party
Party leader (and prime minister): Stefan Löfven

Moderaterna (The Moderate Party) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderate_Party
Party leader: Ulf Kristersson

Sverigedemokraterna (The Sweden Democrats) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats
Party leader: Jimmie Åkesson

Miljöpartiet (The Green Party) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_(Sweden)
Party leaders: Gustav Fridolin, Isabella Lövin

Centerpartiet (The Center Party) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centre_Party_(Sweden)
Party leader: Annie Lööf

Vänsterpartiet (The Left Party) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Party_(Sweden)
Party leader: Jonas Sjöstedt

Folkpartiet Liberalerna (The Liberal Party) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberals_(Sweden)
Party leader: Jan Björklund

Kristdemokraterna (The Christian Democrats) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Democrats_(Sweden)
Party leader: Ebba Busch Thor

Other political parties worthy of note

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Medborgerlig samling (Citizens' Coalition) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens'_Coalition
Party leader: Ilan Sadé

Feministiskt initiativ (Feminist Initiative) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_Initiative_(Sweden)
Party leaders: Gudrun Schyman, Gita Nabavi

Alternativ för Sverige (Alternative for Sweden) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Sweden
Party leader: Gustav Kasselstrand

Who do you think is going to win? If you are Swedish, who are you planning to vote for?

https://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/dnipsos-kd-klarar-sparren-for-forsta-gangen-pa-over-ett-ar/
>MP and KD above four percent for the first time in months
>SD is still bigger than M
>S still the biggest party but 24,9 % is ridiculously low for a party that used to get 40-50 % of the votes once upon a time
>The "Red Green" bloc (40,4) is bigger than the Alliance (37,7)

 

[Rio]

I expected the left to win in a landslide.

None of the polls showed that outcome.

Elections were about what was expected overall I'd say. The only thing that's kinda surprising is the moderates sneaking ahead of SD. According to pollofpolls, they were both sinking, but in the last aggregation SD were still ahead. Especially with SD normally overperforming, it's surprising that it's M who overperformed this time.

EDIT: Flashback is taking things about as well as expected

 

[Big Nasty]

Well this was underwhelming to say the least.

Feminist Initiative got completely obliterated though.

 

[Fleshy Sanik]

None of the polls showed that outcome.

Elections were about what was expected overall I'd say. The only thing that's kinda surprising is the moderates sneaking ahead of SD. According to pollofpolls, they were both sinking, but in the last aggregation SD were still ahead. Especially with SD normally overperforming, it's surprising that it's M who overperformed this time.

EDIT: Flashback is taking things about as well as expected

Is that a furry forum?
What do they say?

 

[Silence of the Troons]

https://www.aktiespararna.se/nyheter/politik-akesson-bjuder-kristersson-till-samtal
>Åkesson invites Kristersson to talks
Cue the käbbel!

If you don't include Afghanistan, or the Congo, or any of the multiple other places that lack the infrastructure required to gather information on the population, aren't included, is the stat accurate? You addressed it as if it were, which makes comparing it to a blatant lie pretty rich. It shouldn't even be comparable, Sweden is a first world country with third world rape statistics.

I don't know, you just seem hung up on what seems like a true statement.

The stat is accurate in terms of reported rapes, but not in terms of actual rapes (although, like I mentioned earlier, the amount of actual rapes has been going up), so it is a blatant lie to say Sweden has the world's second highest rape rate. It is important to make that distinction because there are always people who think/pretend that the amount of reported crimes = the actual amount of crimes and then use it to argue that rape is more common in Sweden than in e.g. India (their women's minister did). Not to mention that other factors may also play a role (different legal definitions, the way crimes are recorded et cetera). To further exemplify why one needs to establish whether it is a matter of actual rapes or reported rapes: Ylva Johansson claimed that sex crimes in Sweden were dropping because the number of reported rapes dipped from 2014 to 2015. However, given that the tendency to report has been going down according to the Swedish Crime Survey, it's more likely that there was an increase of actual rapes even in 2015, despite the decrease in reported rapes.

In short: the number of reported and actual rapes has been going up, we probably have one of the highest rape rates in Europe, but no, that doesn't make it correct to claim that Sweden has a higher rape rate than places like India, Afghanistan, Somalia and Ethiopia.

Is that a furry forum?
What do they say?

It's Sweden's biggest discussion forum. They have forum sections about everything, from baking and vehicles to immigration and integration and pedophilia, so you might be able to find a thread or two discussing the furry fandom as well.

 

[Rio]

Is that a furry forum?
What do they say?

title: "How did they cheat the election? (as in: how did SD only manage to get 18%)"
OP: "I think the jews cooperating with the black people and arabs have gotten rid of a whole bunch of SD ballots... Also these people were probably MP and V members"

Basically they're saying that 2 parties worked together to illegally undermine SD, even though these two parties together didn't even come close to SD in terms of their vote count, and SD performed pretty much completely according to the last set of pre-election polls.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

Looks like you were right on this.

SD looks like they won't reach 19% with just a few percent of the votes left unreported now. What made you predict this? SD has always tended to be underrepresented in the polls before.

Well, I've written a couple of longer replies and then deleted them, but in short: what was projected wasn't reflected in what I saw in reality. So, just an informed gut feeling and it was the only percentage that balanced well in my head. 20% would be the resistance level(in my mind) so 19 wouldn't be that far from their ceiling. At 17.5%(the actual results right now) it means that they ran an efficient campaign, they almost got everyone that would vote for them to vote for them.

Digging out more voters out of the other blocks will become harder and harder but they have four years to set up a fracking operation while their competition probably continues to bicker and self-destruct.

 

[Jerry_ smith56]

Great looks like a unstable coalition government for Sweden and that's the last thing they need in this situation.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_Initiative_(Sweden)#Riksdag

It doesn't look like the feminist party underperformed, it's more like they overperformed in 2014. Why'd they get that many votes back then anyway compared to 2010 or 2018?

 

[Silence of the Troons]

https://www.val.se
The terminal vote counting has begun
https://twitter.com/search?q=#valfusk2018&src=tyah
People have also started talking about electoral fraud

 

[AnAspieWithAVengeance]

A lot of the smaller parties got gains. Seems to me more of a rejection of the main two more than anything.

 

[ICametoLurk]

People have also started talking about electoral fraud

 

[RadicalCentrist]

In short: the number of reported and actual rapes has been going up, we probably have one of the highest rape rates in Europe, but no, that doesn't make it correct to claim that Sweden has a higher rape rate than places like India, Afghanistan, Somalia and Ethiopia.

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In Afghanistan, you rape a woman and her family will cut your fucking head off. In Sweden... well we all know what happens.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

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In Afghanistan, you rape a woman and her family will cut your fucking head off. In Sweden... well we all know what happens.

It is true that rapists in Afghanistan may be punished by the rape victim's family, however, the rape victims themselves are also very likely to become victims of honor killings perpetuated by their own families. Rape there is hugely underreported due to a variety of reasons (as it often is in countries like Afghanistan). When it comes to Afghans in Sweden, they only constitute 0,4 % of the population, so we aren't quite there yet. However, they are the biggest ethnic group to be convicted of rape after ethnic Swedes despite their minuscule size (and the overrepresentation is believed to be real, not just a matter of evil racists being more prone to report and convict immigrants), so... it's very clear that the Afghani amnesty was a huge mistake.

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_Initiative_(Sweden)#Riksdag

It doesn't look like the feminist party underperformed, it's more like they overperformed in 2014. Why'd they get that many votes back then anyway compared to 2010 or 2018?

They got a huge push in the media for quite a while so they had the luxury of campaigning from couches in tv-studios and answering softball questions. They did real campaigning as well, they burnt 100k in cash in front of an audience so they had that going for them... I really should remember this more clearly than I am right now, but I think some raisin brained journalists figured that they would become the natural predator of the Swedish Democrats so they got a lot of space and puff pieces.
It sounds dumb but hear me out: the only way to fight racism and white supremacy by blah blah intersectional feminism blah blah post-colonialism.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that all it did was bleed voters largely from the Left into a party that wouldn't get into parliament.

They did some things right though, things that were clever for their size. They have one big name attached to them, Gudrun Schyman, she was the chairman of the Left for a good long while and she co-founded Fi(but really, it's her party). What they have done is have her available for "home parties" meaning that she can be booked to take the train to where you live and give a talk for free if 25 or more people sign up to attend. It can be in your living room, outside your house it doesn't matter she'll show up and talk and she's pretty good at talking.
That was smart, the events were free and it made people curious. When everything was done the collection plate was passed around.

The problem was that she only had one set, one routine, and it doesn't change even though everything else changes. Even Fi-members get a bit embarrassed over that.

They didn't get much in the way of a free ride in the media this year, even at a local level the left-leaning newspapers seemed to be more hesitant to give the the local chapters too much space.
In 2026 they might have a chance if they work hard and get their shit straight and if they're lucky the planets are in alignment so socjus language is either abandoned or no longer as hostile in tone. That shit is nothing but aggressive technobabble to most people.

It is true that rapists in Afghanistan may be punished by the rape victim's family, however, the rape victims themselves are also very likely to become victims of honor killings perpetuated by their own families. Rape there is hugely underreported due to a variety of reasons (as it often is in countries like Afghanistan).

Rape can't be kept track of if the closest concept to it is extramarital sex. People may scratch their heads and wonder why rape victims are punished but that's the reason.

 

[AnAspieWithAVengeance]

What they have done is have her available for "home parties" meaning that she can be booked to take the train to where you live and give a talk for free if 25 or more people sign up to attend. It can be in your living room, outside your house it doesn't matter she'll show up and talk and she's pretty good at talking.
That was smart, the events were free and it made people curious. When everything was done the collection plate was passed around.

That is smart. Get the other parties to do that and you might have some interesting discussions and a better way of communicating with fledging voters and opposing voters.

 

[ICametoLurk]

Straigt from wikipaedo:

>Michael Aastrup Jensen, a Liberal Party member of the Danish Parliament, observed the Swedish election in Malmö. He stated that, having observed many elections, including some in Russia and Eastern Europe, he had never seen one nearly as undemocratic as in Sweden, and that the Swedish process was far from what would be allowed even in Eastern European countries. He considered that one problem was the presence of "party soldiers" standing outside the door of the election room, pressing the voters and trying to give them the ballots of their party. There is a bill under consideration by the Riksdag to strengthen ballot secrecy, but Jensen stated that it would not get rid of the party soldiers. Jensen is the chairman of the Danish delegation to the Council of Europe, and he promised to raise the issue there.

And this is the source: https://www.b.dk/globalt/venstre-ordfoerer-svensk-stemmesystem-langt-fra-europaeisk-standard

Anyway, is this sperglord right? Muh Eastern Europe, muh Rusha, muh party soldiers, muh most undemocratic election EVAH!!!

 

[Fleshy Sanik]

Doubt.jpeg

In Afghanistan, you rape a woman and her family will cut her fucking head off. In Sweden... well we all know what happens.

Fixed that for you friend

 

[MidUSA]

Anyway, is this sperglord right? Muh Eastern Europe, muh Rusha, muh party soldiers, muh most undemocratic election EVAH!!!

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He's exaggerating about the "party soldiers". Party volonteers (mostly old socialist ladies) do pass out ballots outside the stations. They're not allowed inside and nobody really cares about them.

The actual problem is that there are separate ballot sheets for every party and people can potentially see which ones you pick up. Meaning people can feel intimidated and discouraged from picking controversial parties. (There are ways around this but it's still a problem)

 

[Smaug's Smokey Hole]

The actual problem is that there are separate ballot sheets for every party and people can potentially see which ones you pick up. Meaning people can feel intimidated and discouraged from picking controversial parties. (There are ways around this but it's still a problem)

"Family voting" might have been mentioned but that's also something that is not at all legal but people let it slide fairly often. That's when a family groups around the ballots and then group around the screens to stuff the envelopes. Ballot access is mandated to be done one person at the time and putting up a screen isn't a bad idea, I absolutely looked at what people were picking when standing in line, just out of boredom.

Usually the voting process is so dry and sedated that a church communion looks like a wild party. Early voting, zoning people and having polling places fucking everywhere means that in many places it's not that crowded. The area where I live had six polling places running and I lap this place in maybe 25 minutes when walking the dog.

 

[Fleshy Sanik]

The actual problem is that there are separate ballot sheets for every party and people can potentially see which ones you pick up. Meaning people can feel intimidated and discouraged from picking controversial parties. (T

, I absolutely looked at what people were picking when standing in line, just out of boredom.

Why not simply just have a blank sheet where you write who you vote for in pen? Problem solved?