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Source: https://www.livescience.com/physics...o-quantum-waves-just-as-schrodinger-predicted
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Stunning image shows atoms transforming into quantum waves — just as Schrödinger predicted​

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By Ben Turner
A new imaging technique, which captured frozen lithium atoms transforming into quantum waves, could be used to probe some of the most poorly understood aspects of the quantum world.
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For the first time ever, physicists have captured a clear image of individual atoms behaving like a wave.

The image shows sharp red dots of fluorescing atoms transforming into fuzzy blobs of wave packets and is a stunning demonstration of the idea that atoms exist as both particles and waves — one of the cornerstones of quantum mechanics.


The scientists who invented the imaging technique published their findings on the preprint server arXiv, so their research has not yet been peer reviewed.

"The wave nature of matter remains one of the most striking aspects of quantum mechanics," the researchers wrote in the paper. They add that their new technique could be used to image more complex systems, giving insights into some fundamental questions in physics.

First proposed by the French physicist Louis de Broglie in 1924 and expanded upon by Erwin Schrödinger two years later, wave particle duality states that all quantum-sized objects, and therefore all matter, exists as both particles and waves at the same time.

Schrödinger's famous equation is typically interpreted by physicists as stating that atoms exist as packets of wave-like probability in space, which are then collapsed into discrete particles upon observation. While bafflingly counterintuitive, this bizarre property of the quantum world has been witnessed in numerous experiments.

To image this fuzzy duality, the physicists first cooled lithium atoms to near-absolute zero temperatures by bombarding them with photons, or light particles, from a laser to rob them of their momentum. Once the atoms were cooled, more lasers trapped them within an optical lattice as discrete packets.

With the atoms cooled and confined, the researchers periodically switched the optical lattice off and on — expanding the atoms from a confined near-particle state to one resembling a wave, and then back.

A microscope camera recorded light emitted by atoms in the particle state at two different times, with atoms behaving like waves in between. By putting together many images, the authors built up the shape of this wave and observed how it expands with time, in perfect agreement with Schrödinger's equation

"This imaging method consists in turning back on the lattice to project each wave packet into a single well to turn them into a particle again — it is not a wave anymore," study co-author Tarik Yefsah, a physicist at the French National Centre for Scientific Research and the École normale supérieure in Paris, told Live Science. "You can see our imaging method as a way to sample the wavefunction density, not unlike the pixels of a CCD camera." A CCD camera is a common type of digital camera that uses a charge-coupled device to capture its images.

The scientists say this image is just a simple demonstration. Their next step will be using it to study systems of strongly interacting atoms that are less well understood.

"Studying such systems could improve our understanding of strange states of matter, such as those found in the core of extremely dense neutron stars, or the quark-gluon plasma that is believed to have existed shortly after the Big Bang," Yefsah said.

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Assuming no bias is introduced upon pinning from continuous space and imaging, other than a discretization of space
fuck oooooff. These dudes are doing the equivalent of slapping water in a bathtub and going "look, waves!"
No wonder they self published.
 
Is t that what a particle is, in one sense ? Where the waveform is most dense at that time?
No, when they say the waveform collapses, it does so completely to the point it no longer exists at all. When you look at atoms they exhibit no wavelike behavior. At all. The level of quantum voodoo here to get this image if it turns out to show what they believe it does is incredible. You can get on a tunneling microscope and draw stick figures with individual atoms and they behave exactly like things that are not waves, all day, every day. They're trying to exploit technicalities in the rules, most of the time the universe catches you peeking. Possibly not this time.

This is all stuff that Einstein hated because it means information can travel faster than light. The more these results show up the more he looks wrong on that, which is pretty cool because he was right about so much.

It's fun and interesting if you're geeky enough but mostly has no impact on anyone anywhere at all. Most quantum effects we use we could do long before we had any clue why things behave the way they do (the magnetism of hard drive heads is one example, stacking layers of different metals that are an atom or two thick creates a magnetic effect that we barely understand even today). The stuff works whether we know why or not.
 
Is t that what a particle is, in one sense ? Where the waveform is most dense at that time?
My understanding is that they both exist at the same time, it is only your observation at a particular time and place that determines if you see a particle or a wave.
The stuff works whether we know why or not.
Well it does. But when children ask why the sky is blue it's good to be able to explain that light is tossed around by gases and particles and blue wavelengths which are shorter, smaller waves (maybe a tiny hint of the purple) are tossed around more than other colors that our retinas can detect. Then you can can explain refraction and color spectrum which hopefully will keep them busy and maybe not ask what happened to Schrodinger’s cat.
 
The methodology section of this paper is lacking. I'm classifying this under quantum woo until it's peer reviewed. I don't even see a mention of what temperature this is being performed at. Typically, anything quantum physics related is going to be at cryogenic conditions. What the fuck is a "frozen" lithium atom even supposed to be. Atoms dispersed across a surface hardly count as a wave. What even are the atoms sitting on? I didn't see that described in the paper.

All I get when I search quantum gas microscopy is a shitty nature paper that references single atoms while admitting to using optical wavelength light. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08482
Without better "science journalism", I can only conclude this is pajeet tier science bullshitting for grant money. There's gotta be some catch to all of this that I can't be arsed to dig into. I ain't getting paid to peer review this shit. There isn't enough information in this paper to even know exactly how they ran the experiment, let alone if they're making shit up. I'd straight up dismiss this paper with extreme prejudice if I were reviewing it.

I'm getting flashbacks to the "room temperature superconductor" that some pajeet out of Rochester was trying to con off at APS. Your inability to run an experiment properly and desire to overinterpret noise doesn't mean you have a novel invention. If you refuse to clearly explain how the experiment was ran, your paper is unreproducible and can be dismissed out of hand.
 
So how can they peek and see in the waveform stage without collapsing the waveform?
You can look at the consequences of it - just like you can see the effects of the wave behavior in the two slit experiment because youre not measuring anything until it hits the target. At least if this isn't a bullshit experiment.
 
You can look at the consequences of it - just like you can see the effects of the wave behavior in the two slit experiment because youre not measuring anything until it hits the target. At least if this isn't a bullshit experiment.
Right. Sorry this isn’t my field at all. It kind of reads like they trapped individual atoms in the lattice and are looking at individual waveforms.
 
The methodology section of this paper is lacking. I'm classifying this under quantum woo until it's peer reviewed. I don't even see a mention of what temperature this is being performed at. Typically, anything quantum physics related is going to be at cryogenic conditions. What the fuck is a "frozen" lithium atom even supposed to be. Atoms dispersed across a surface hardly count as a wave. What even are the atoms sitting on? I didn't see that described in the paper.

All I get when I search quantum gas microscopy is a shitty nature paper that references single atoms while admitting to using optical wavelength light. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08482
Without better "science journalism", I can only conclude this is pajeet tier science bullshitting for grant money. There's gotta be some catch to all of this that I can't be arsed to dig into. I ain't getting paid to peer review this shit. There isn't enough information in this paper to even know exactly how they ran the experiment, let alone if they're making shit up. I'd straight up dismiss this paper with extreme prejudice if I were reviewing it.

I'm getting flashbacks to the "room temperature superconductor" that some pajeet out of Rochester was trying to con off at APS. Your inability to run an experiment properly and desire to overinterpret noise doesn't mean you have a novel invention. If you refuse to clearly explain how the experiment was ran, your paper is unreproducible and can be dismissed out of hand.
You're right to be skeptical. Shouldn't believe a thing about atoms. After all, everyone knows that atoms make up everything
 
Right. Sorry this isn’t my field at all. It kind of reads like they trapped individual atoms in the lattice and are looking at individual waveforms.
Until the experiment stands up to scrutiny and is repeatable its just a strange picture.

Occasionally something new comes out of these things, like demonstrating quantum entanglement, and someone gets a Nobel or Wolf Prize. Mostly not.
 
Right. Sorry this isn’t my field at all. It kind of reads like they trapped individual atoms in the lattice and are looking at individual waveforms.
It's claimed they did trap them and observed the wave formation but they are also particles. The rules of classical physics don't apply in quantum mechanics and theoretical physicists have been trying to reconcile one with the other, with very little success, since its discovery; hence the wacky theories and explanations. I became fascinated with it every since my physics university professor introduced me to it. But it does exist and is applied every day, like IBM's quantum supercomputer:

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that is put into a bath of liquid nitrogen when it is run, relying on the manipulation of qubits that can be both particles and waves under extreme cold temperatures.

At the very least quantum physics does instill a healthy respect for nuclear and its real world applications; what you can't see can indeed hurt you in a very lethal manner.
 
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