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US military advantage has eroded, study says
WASHINGTON - The United States has lost its military edge to a dangerous degree and could potentially lose a war against China or Russia, according to a report released Wednesday by a bipartisan commission that Congress created to evaluate the Trump administration's defense strategy.

The National Defense Strategy Commission, comprised of former top Republican and Democratic officials selected by Congress, evaluated the Trump administration's 2018 National Defense Strategy, which ordered a vast reshaping of the U.S. military to compete with Beijing and Moscow in an era of renewed great-power competition.
While endorsing the strategy's aims, the commission warned that Washington isn't moving fast enough or investing sufficiently to put the vision into practice, risking a further erosion of American military dominance that could become a national security emergency.
At the same time, according to the commission, China and Russia are seeking dominance in their regions and the ability to project military power globally, as their authoritarian governments pursue defense buildups aimed squarely at the United States.
"There is a strong fear of complacency, that people have become so used to the United States achieving what it wants in the world, to include militarily, that it isn't heeding the warning signs," said Kathleen Hicks, a former top Pentagon official during the Obama administration and one of the commissioners. "It's the flashing red that we are trying to relay."
The picture of the national security landscape that the 12-person commission sketched is a bleak one, in which an American military that has enjoyed undisputed dominance for decades is failing to receive the resources, innovation and prioritization its leaders need to outmuscle China and Russia in a race for military might reminiscent of the Cold War.
The military balance has shifted adversely for the United States in Europe, Asia and the Middle East, undermining the confidence of American allies and increasing the likelihood of military conflict, the commission found, after reviewing classified documents, receiving Pentagon briefings and interviewing top defense officials.
"The U.S. military could suffer unacceptably high casualties and loss of major capital assets in its next conflict. It might struggle to win, or perhaps lose, a war against China or Russia," the report said. "The United States is particularly at risk of being overwhelmed should its military be forced to fight on two or more fronts simultaneously."
In its list of 32 recommendations, the commission urged the Pentagon to explain more clearly how it intends to defeat major-power rivals in competition and war. It assailed the strategy for relying at times on "questionable assumptions and weak analysis" and leaving "unanswered critical questions."
Eric Edelman, a top Pentagon official during the Bush administration, who co-chaired the commission along with retired admiral Gary Roughead, said the report wrestled with the consequences of years of ignored warnings about the erosion of American military might.
Russia and China have "learned from what we've done. They've learned from our success. And while we've been off doing a different kind of warfare, they've been prepared for a kind of warfare at the high end that we really haven't engaged in for a very long time," Edelman told Michael Morell, the former acting director of the CIA and a fellow member of the commission, during a forthcoming episode of Morell's podcast,
"Intelligence Matters."
Edelman said people had lost sight of how complicated the international security environment had become for the United States, and argued that for a lot of reasons the American public and Congress haven't been as attentive to the urgency of the situation as they should be.
The commission argued that despite a $716 billion American defense budget this year, which is four times the size of China's and more than 10 times that of Russia, the effort to reshape the U.S. defense establishment to counter current threats is under-resourced. It recommended that Congress lift budget caps on defense spending in the next two years that in the past have hobbled the military's ability to plan for the long term.


"It is beyond the scope of our work to identify the exact dollar amount required to fully fund the military's needs," the report concluded. "Yet available resources are clearly insufficient to fulfill the strategy's ambitious goals, including that of ensuring that (the Defense Department) can defeat a major-power adversary while deterring other enemies simultaneously."

The call for even more robust defense spending comes as the Democrats take over the House and seek rollbacks of key Pentagon programs. It also comes after the White House instructed the Pentagon to pare back its planned budget for the coming year by some 4.5 percent, or about $33 billion, after the federal deficit increased sharply following last year's tax cut.

White House national security adviser John Bolton recently said he expected the defense budget to remain relatively flat in the coming years, as the administration seeks to cut discretionary spending, and suggested the Pentagon would need to reshape the military with funds derived from cuts to other areas.

Money saved from planned Pentagon reforms will prove insufficient to see through the kind of investment the military needs to see through the new national defense strategy, the commission found. It also said Congress should look at the entire federal budget, including entitlement spending and tax revenue, to put the nation on more stable financial footing, rather than slash defense spending.

To counter Russia and China, the commission said the Navy should expand its submarine fleet and sealift forces; the Air Force should introduce more reconnaissance platforms and stealth long-range fighters and bombers; and the Army should pursue more armor, long-range precision missiles and air-defense and logistical forces.

In its recommendations, the report advocated seeing through the modernization of the U.S. nuclear arsenal and putting a top Pentagon official in charge of developing additional air and missile defenses.

Another area of focus for the commission was innovation.

It described current Pentagon acquisition programs as too risk-averse, and urged the Defense Department and Congress to create a new category of pilot programs aimed at "leap-ahead" technologies that could serve as breakthroughs to help retain American military dominance.

The report also resurfaced questions about the civilian-military divide that arose after retired Marine Corps general Jim Mattis took over as defense secretary, thanks to a vote in Congress that waived a requirement for military officers to be out of uniform for 10 years before serving in that role.

In his nearly two years as secretary, Mattis has relied more on current and former military officers for expertise than his recent predecessors have.

Without singling out Mattis, the commission warned that "responsibility on key strategic and policy issues has increasingly migrated to the military," and urged Congress to exercise oversight to "reverse the unhealthy trend in which decision-making is drifting increasingly toward the military on issues of national importance."

https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/US-military-advantage-has-eroded-study-says-13390309.php
 
I thought Russia was not really equipped to uh... win a fire fight; the real risk with them is hacking-based. (Not bots, but powergrid tampering.)

China could just pelt every American citizen with catapulted Chinese bodies until we surrendered.
 
I mean, the US could probably turn any other country into a radioactive hellscape if they were so inclined, so whether they'd win a land conflict seems a tad irrelevant. Though to be fair, they'd probably get nuked to shit in turn if they fired on Russia or China.
 
So wait is military spending a good or bad thing now?

I can’t be sure until the talking heads and journalists tell me how to feel
 
Strange since the US spent 37% of total dollar amount worldwide in 2015. More than China, Russia and the next 5 countries on the list but we need even more money spent now.
 
Strange since the US spent 37% of total dollar amount worldwide in 2015. More than China, Russia and the next 5 countries on the list but we need even more money spent now.
It's cheap to do when you conscript and use warmed over Soviet gear. They don't care too much about casualties.

The big thing with the US is being able to fight and win anywhere. Power projection. This cost big bucks but it's worth it. If we don't have the capability to stomp out renegade shit the world suddenly becomes a very dangerous place because nobody is there to pick up the slack.

Arms races do not end well. A global arms race would be a disaster.
 
Less worried about budget and strategies than our low quality troops we are producing. Russia is mostly smoke and mirrors anyways.

Probably powerleveling too much, but was in the military ten years ago, leaving right when it was going from old "old military" to a "friendlier", corporate "new military" under Obama's watch. Budget is just the tip of our worries.

Physical standards have been horrifyingly lowered. By the time I was leaving, my office was full of fat ass gamers who couldn't do 20 simple pushups. BMI ratings were also changed, which was sort of good for dudes who were thick in the neck with muscle but bad because all the weak ass soy boys and women (oh god military women. For every honest hard working one, there were 20 fat lazy sluts who'd have regret sex and cry rape).

Boot camp was already a joke when I joined, now I guess kids in Army boot camp get free iPads to call their family at night if they're mentally too weak to take the training.

Not saying people need to be cold blooded terminators to join, but treating the military like an all inclusive college will be our downfall.

Look how much damage that Manning freak did.
 
Top lol. Russia could barely afford doing the bare minimum to keep Assad afloat and the thought of the PLA Navy or Air Force going up against their US equivalent is laughable. Same with Russia.
Less worried about budget and strategies than our low quality troops we are producing. Russia is mostly smoke and mirrors anyways.

Probably powerleveling too much, but was in the military ten years ago, leaving right when it was going from old "old military" to a "friendlier", corporate "new military" under Obama's watch. Budget is just the tip of our worries.

Physical standards have been horrifyingly lowered. By the time I was leaving, my office was full of fat ass gamers who couldn't do 20 simple pushups. BMI ratings were also changed, which was sort of good for dudes who were thick in the neck with muscle but bad because all the weak ass soy boys and women (oh god military women. For every honest hard working one, there were 20 fat lazy sluts who'd have regret sex and cry rape).

Boot camp was already a joke when I joined, now I guess kids in Army boot camp get free iPads to call their family at night if they're mentally too weak to take the training.

Not saying people need to be cold blooded terminators to join, but treating the military like an all inclusive college will be our downfall.

Look how much damage that Manning freak did.
The Corps was doing the same type of shit. I wouldn't worry too much, that shit goes out the window when rounds start popping off. With us it was more about going back to a peacetime Marine Corps. Cold War relics in higher were all assblasted that us grunt were getting too many tattoos and not having enough uniform inspections. At the transition ceremony for an outgoing battalion commander, who was complete shit despite being a platoon commander during Phantom Fury wtf mang, a one star went on at length about how great our MEU went, it was an abortion, and how the Marine Corps should get back to it's roots of doing shit like MEUs. A general stood up in front of a battalion of Marine Corps infantryman and talked about how the roots of the Marine Corps was doing goodwill missions in ports around the Med and not shooting motherfuckers in the face. That's what he did, so that's his Marine Corps.

Also, the first non-03 got to be Commandant and ruined the Marine Corps. Fuck you Amos and your VW.
 
Physical standards have been horrifyingly lowered. By the time I was leaving, my office was full of fat ass gamers who couldn't do 20 simple pushups. BMI ratings were also changed, which was sort of good for dudes who were thick in the neck with muscle but bad because all the weak ass soy boys and women (oh god military women. For every honest hard working one, there were 20 fat lazy sluts who'd have regret sex and cry rape).
Fuck I swear there's something in the food or the water fucking everyone up. I can say for sure women and anime were a mistake too. I honestly think we'll need to increase time spent in basic training to get people in shape.

Not saying people need to be cold blooded terminators to join, but treating the military like an all inclusive college will be our downfall.
You might not like but that's what peak killing preformence will look like.
 
The United States has lost its military edge to a dangerous degree and could potentially lose a war against China or Russia,
Well definitely make sure to tell the whole fucking world, assholes.
 
Didn't a group of Russian """mercenaries""" (lol) skirmish with a US force in the Middle East and proceed to get their shit pushed in to the tune of 300+ casualties in minutes? Yep, that happened.

Article said:
The aim was to test if the U.S.-led coalition would react. The force advanced to within less than 5 km (3 miles) of the SDF and American positions.
(...)
“First of all the bombers attacked, and then they cleaned up using Apaches (U.S.-made attack helicopters)”
(...)
He said many of the injured had shrapnel in their bodies that was not showing up on X-rays, making treatment difficult. “The prognosis for most of the wounded is dismal,” he said.

They did a heat check and had over 50% of their force vaporized or filled with ghost shrapnel in minutes. Yeah, I'm sure the US is terrified of the Russians.

Are they disappointed they only got 300 insta-gibs instead of all 550? "Quick, fund the next gen of weapons so a few Russians can't limp home and explain how fucking deadly the current US arsenal is!"
 
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