Study: Porn Is Not to Blame for E.D. - Lab research measures if history of porn impacts erections, finds no effect.

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For several years, a persistent myth has flooded the Internet, and promulgated through pop psychology. The myth suggests that watching Internet pornography leads to men experiencing difficulties getting, and maintaining, erections, particularly when they try to have “real” sex. The claims also suggest that difficulty getting aroused leads to them watching more and more “extreme” pornography. Sex therapists and researchers like myself have been raising concerns about this myth for many years, for a variety of reasons:

  • This theory is based entirely on subjective anecdotal experiences. Frankly, men’s self-reports of erectile difficulties are about as reliable as other reports regarding their sexuality, which is to say, not at all.
  • Blaming erectile issues on pornography, as opposed to masturbation TO pornography seems an odd leap, and ignores numerous important elements regarding behavior during masturbation, such as the fact that during masturbation, many men grip their penis more tightly than can be achieved during intercourse. This effect is known as “the death grip,” and correlates with demonstrated sexual dysfunction – but not erectile issues. Instead, delayed ejaculation during intercourse is the most common known correlate of high levels of masturbation to pornography, whether due to “the death grip,” or simple training of one’s body to last longer.
  • Scare stories about erectile functioning rely on the anxiety created by stigma towards erectile issues. That stigma is built on a foundation of very rigid, limited ideals about masculinity, which suggest that a man’s erection “means something.” They suggest, for instance, that a man who can get an erection is more manly than one who cannot. These ideas center masculinity, and male sexuality, entirely upon an erection. That’s highly reductive, counterproductive, and more than a bit sad.
  • Attributing erectile difficulties during intercourse on masturbation to porn ignores the important fact that masturbation and intercourse are very different experiences. During masturbation, one can, and does, focus solely on oneself. But during intercourse, a good lover balances their own needs to attend to their partner. For inexperienced, anxiousindividuals, partnered intercourse can be a highly challenging experience. Research consistently finds that in young men, anxiety is the hallmark predictor of erectile difficulties.
  • Another significant predictor of erectile difficulties is present during partnered intercourse and absent during masturbation – condoms. It’s a sad and unfortunate fact that condom usage predicts erectile struggles in many men, and is a factor which inhibits compliance with safer sex strategies. Few men wear a condom during masturbation, though this actually is a strategy I often recommend to help men learn to acclimate to the experience of sexual stimulation with a condom, and to desensitize anxiety symptoms related to donning a condom.
  • Finally, these very myths about erections may themselves be iatrogenic. Feelings and fears about one’s erection, actually create erectile difficulties. Men who feel more shame about watching porn, are actually most likely to report difficulties with erection during partnered sex.

For all these reasons, and more, I’ve been arguing for years that blaming the Internet for erection problems is not only foolish, but potentially harmful. But, the anecdotes persist in proliferating. In fact, it appears that the activism behind these views may actually create more such anecdotes, through social psychology effects. Finally, however, a study has been conducted which put these anecdotes to a real scientific, measurable test. If we believe that subjective, anecdotal reports of erectile difficulties might be unreliable, what’s the answer? Well, we need some intrepid researchers to actually get out there, show some porn to men, and actually measure their erections. And that’s just what these researchers did.


In this study, conducted by the eminent Erick Janssen, Senior Research Fellow of The Kinsey Institute, and Professor in the Department of Neuroscienciences at the University of Leuven, 211 men were studied. For a laboratory study with precision instrumentation and measures, this is a very large and robust sample. These were men who have sex with men, a group whose concerns about hypersexuality and risky sexual behaviors have been heavily studied since the days of the HIV crisis. (Please note: The penises of gay men do not work any differently than the penises of straight men.) The researchers used diagnostic expert clinical interviews and questionnaires to distinguish men who fit the criteria for compulsive, or problematic sexuality, and 81 of the 211 men did. Then, the researchers showed these men a variety of video images, designed to elicit positive and negative emotions, as well as pornographic films to elicit sexual arousal. While watching these films, the men’s penises were monitored using devices called strain gauges, which objectively measure the erection.

Researchers found that being classified as hypersexual or not did not predict differences in erectile response. So, men with symptoms of problems due to sexual behaviors appear to have no greater risk for erectile difficulties: Problems with arousal or erection did not appear to contribute to their problematic sexual behaviors). But further, the researchers collected information during interview about the men’s use of pornography. Analyses found there was absolutely no statistical relationship between their use of pornography and their physiological response to pornography, measured in the laboratory. Again, to be clear: In this research, a history of watching pornography had no effect on the ability of men to achieve an erection.

In this study, only one factor predicted men’s erectile responses – their levels of “sexual excitation.” This is a construct that measures how much a person tends to get quickly and easily turned on, and how much they work to suppress sexual arousal. Turns out (no surprise), men who report that they get easily sexually excited and who don’t exert much effort to inhibit their sexual arousal get more physically aroused, and sexual inhibitions did not alter their sexual arousal. This finding replicates a 2015 study, which also showed that sexual responsiveness predicted identification as hypersexual, and consumption of pornography. This study also examined whether there were some men who got more aroused, when they experienced negative mood states, as predicted by the theory, known as the dual-control model. This theory has suggested that some people experience greater sexual arousal when depressed or stressed, and that this predicts more problematic sex. In this study however, no such effect was found: There were no measurable differences in regards to the different mood states.

These findings suggest that rather than getting distracted by pornography use, we can best support men struggling with erections by attending to personal motivational and behavioral factors. These men are, sadly, in a lot of pain, experiencing tremendous fear and shame, feeling that their difficulties with erection mean something about them, and their masculinity. They are desperate for answers, and something to point at, something that they can try to control, to make this problem go away. They deserve help. But unfortunately, the claim that watching Internet pornography caused their problem appears to be debunked. Blaming porn doesn't help these men. Instead, addressing elements of anxiety, attitudes towards relationships, and particularly examining how these men feel about their sexuality and sexual arousal should be the focus of supportive treatment, as well as helping them realize that their very fear, shame, and anxiety are causing the thing they are so ashamed and afraid of. Instead of talking about the porn, let's start talking about the person.
 
Note: the author of that article literally wrote the book on being a good cuck:
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Paid for by pornhub, right?
Yes:
David Ley is the author of The Myth of Sex Addiction and Ethical Porn for Dicks. He has written 30 or so blog posts attacking and dismissing NoFap, porn addiction, sex addiction, porn-induced sexual dysfunctions and porn’s effects on relationships. David Ley chronically asserts that porn use is harmless and if someone develops problems it’s because they had “other issues”. TV shows, magazines, websites too often turn to Ley as an “authority” on porn addiction and porn’s effects because the medical researchers – who would give an accurate picture of the state of internet addiction research – generally aren’t focused on internet porn specifically. Nor are they as readily available as eager Dr. Ley. He therefore gets to shape the debate in the media despite his utter lack of education in the neuroscience of addiction and sexual conditioning, and having never published any original research.


David Ley and his close ally Nicole Prause often work in tandem, with both equally cited as “the experts,” while actual top addiction neuroscientists, who have published highly respected studies on porn users (Voon, Kraus, Potenza, Brand, Laier, Hajela, Kuhn, Gallinat, Klucken, Seok, Sohn, Gola, Kor, etc.), are omitted. Neither Ley nor Prause are affiliated with any university, yet some journalists, perhaps influenced by Prause’s potent media services, mysteriously prefer both over the top neuroscientists at Yale University, Cambridge University, University of Duisburg-Essen, and the Max Planck Institute. Go figure.


For years Ley and his close ally Nicole Prause have conspired overtly and behind the scenes, manipulating journalists, sharing talking points, emailing governing bodies, and even influencing the peer-reviewed process in dubious ways (these 2 pages provide extensive documentation of said behaviors: page 1, page 2, page 3). Both regularly defame, harass and cyber-stalk individuals and organizations that have warned of porn’s harms or published research reporting porn’s harms. Sickeningly, this includes cyberstalking and defaming young men who have publicly spoken about recovering from porn-induced sexual dysfunctions. Documentation in these links: See documentation: Gabe Deem #1, Gabe Deem #2, Alexander Rhodes #1, Alexander Rhodes #2, Alexander Rhodes #3, Noah Church, Alexander Rhodes #4, Alexander Rhodes #5, Alexander Rhodes #6, Alexander Rhodes #7, Alexander Rhodes #8, Alexander Rhodes #9, Alexander Rhodes#10, Alex Rhodes#11, Gabe Deem & Alex Rhodes together#12, Alexander Rhodes#13, Alexander Rhodes #14, Gabe Deem#4, Alexander Rhodes #15. Both Prause & Ley are obsessed with debunking porn-induced ED as nothing would be more damaging to their pro-porn agenda (Prause/Ley also waged a 3-year war against this academic paper and the Journal’s parent company, MDPI).


Recently, Prause and Ley escalated their unethical and often illegal activities in support of a porn industry agenda. For example, On January 29, 2019, Prause filed a trademark application to obtain YOURBRAINONPORN and YOURBRAINONPORN.COM. In April 2019, a group headed by Prause and Ley engaged in unlawful trademark infringement of YourBrainOnPorn.com by creating “RealYourBrainOnPorn.com.


To advertise their illegitimate site, the self-proclaimed “experts” created a Twitter account (https://twitter.com/BrainOnPorn), YouTube channel, Facebook page, and published a press release. In a further attempt to confuse the public, the press release falsely claims to originate from Gary Wilson’s home town – Ashland, Oregon (none of the “experts” live in Oregon, let alone Ashland). Judge for yourself whether the “experts” further the interests of the porn industry or the authentic search scientific truth by perusing this collection of RealYBOP tweets. Written in Dr. Prause’s distinctive misleading style, the tweets extol the benefits of porn, misrepresent the current state of the research, and troll individuals and organizations Prause has previously harassed.


In addition, the “experts” created a Reddit account (user/sciencearousal) to spam porn recovery forums reddit/pornfree and reddit/NoFap with promotional drivel, claiming porn use is harmless and disparaging YourBrainOnPorn.com and Gary Wilson. It’s important to note that Prause, a former academic, has a long documented history of employing numerous aliases to post on porn recovery forums. (YBOP is now engaged in legal action with Prause and her pro-porn allies).


Conflicts of interest (COI) are nothing new for David Ley. Lawyers pay him good money to “debunk” sex & porn addiction; he sells books “debunking” sex & porn addiction; he collects speaking fees for “debunking” sex & porn addiction. All this while harassing and defaming individuals and organizations who speak up about the possible negative effects of internet porn.


However, Ley officially has now crossed the line. In a blatant financial conflict of interest, David Ley is being compensated by porn industry giant xHamster to promote their websites (i.e. StripChat) and to convince users that porn addiction and sex addiction are myths! Notice how Ley is going to tell xHamster customers what “medical studies truly say about porn, camming and sexuality”:


Will Ley tell xHamster customers that every study ever published on males (about 65) links more porn to less sexual and relation satisfaction? Will Ley tell them that all 50 neurological studies on porn users/sex addicts report brain changes seen in drug addicts? Will he inform his audience that 50% of porn users report escalating to material they previously found uninteresting or disgusting? Somehow I doubt it.


Specifically, David Ley and the newly formed Sexual Health Alliance (SHA) have partnered with a xHamster website (Strip-Chat). See “Stripchat aligns with Sexual Health Alliance to stroke your anxious porn-centric brain.” In their promotional tweet we are promised a slate of SHA brain experts to soothe users “porn anxiety” and “shame” (Ley and other SHA “experts” are light years away from being brain experts).


The fledgling Sexual health Alliance (SHA) advisory board includes David Ley and two other RealYourBrainOnPorn.com “experts” (Justin Lehmiller and Chris Donaghue). RealYBOP is a group of openly pro-porn, self-proclaimed “experts” headed by Nicole Prause. This group is currently engaged in illegal trademark infringement and squatting directed toward the legitimate YBOP. Put simply, those trying to silence YBOP are also being paid by the porn industry to promote its/their businesses, and assure users that porn and cam sites cause no problems. (Note: Nicole Prause has close, public ties to the porn industry as documented on this page.)


The official StripChat Twitter account reveals the true reason for paying SHA “experts”: to soothe their anxieties to prevent the loss of paying customers. The SHA will accomplish this by “talking about the latest research on sex, camming and addiction,” that is, cherry picking the work done by “their” researchers. Will Ley/SHA mention that hundreds of studies link porn use to myriad negative effects?


In this article, Ley dismisses his compensated promotion of the porn industry:


Granted, sexual health professionals partnering directly with commercial porn platforms face some potential downsides, particularly for those who’d like to present themselves as completely unbiased. “I fully anticipate [anti-porn advocates] to all scream, ‘Oh, look, see, David Ley is working for porn,’” says Ley, whose name is routinely mentioned with disdain in anti-masturbation communities like NoFap.
But even if his work with Stripchat will undoubtedly provide fodder to anyone eager to write him off as biased or in the pocket of the porn lobby, for Ley, that tradeoff is worth it. “If we want to help [anxious porn consumers], we have to go to them,” he says. “And this is how we do that.”

Biased? Ley reminds us of the infamous tobacco doctors, and the Sexual health Alliance reminds us of the Tobacco Institute.


While being paid by the porn industry is the most egregious conflict of interest (COI), Ley has a few more.


Conflict of Interest #2: David Ley is being paid to debunk porn and sex addiction. At the end of this Psychology Today blog post Ley advertises his services:


“Disclosure: David Ley has provided testimony in legal cases involving claims of sex addiction.”

In 2019 David Ley’s new website offered his well-compensated “debunking” services:


David J. Ley, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and AASECT-certified supervisor of sex therapy, based in Albuquerque, NM. He has provided expert witness and forensic testimony in a number of cases around the United States. Dr. Ley is regarded as an expert in debunking claims of sexual addiction, and has been certified as an expert witness on this topic. He has testified in state and federal courts.
Contact him to obtain his fee schedule and arrange an appointment to discuss your interest.

Conflict of Interest #3: Ley makes money selling two books that deny sex and porn addiction (“The Myth of Sex Addiction,” 2012 and “Ethical Porn for Dicks,” 2016). Pornhub (which is owned by porn giant MindGeek) is one of the five back-cover endorsements listed for Ley’s 2016 book about porn:


Note: PornHub was the second Twitter account to retweet RealYBOP’s initial tweet announcing its “expert” (pro-porn) website, suggesting a coordinated effort between PornHub and the RealYBOP experts. Wow!


Conflict of Interest #4: Finally, David Ley makes money via CEU seminars, where he promotes the addiction-deniers’ ideology set forth in his two books (which recklessly(?) ignore dozens of studies and the significance of the new Compulsive Sexual Behavior Disorder diagnosis in the World Health Organization’s diagnostic manual). Ley is compensated for his many talks featuring his biased views on porn use. In this 2019 presentation Ley appears to support and promote adolescent porn use: Developing Positive Sexuality and Responsible Pornography Use in Adolescents.


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"Let your wife fuck other dudes! Watch lots of porn! Don't stop masturbating to porn!"
His whole shtick is pro-porn. There's no doubt that he's a porn industry shill.
 
Note: the author of that article literally wrote the book on being a good cuck:
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"Let your wife fuck other dudes! Watch lots of porn! Don't stop masturbating to porn!"
His whole shtick is pro-porn. There's no doubt that he's a porn industry shill.

The guy pushing for porn use ALSO is pro cuck?

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Psychology Today is best viewed for what it is: a liberal leaning opinion blog, not an actual "scientific" source.
 
The best argument for being antiporn is how goddamn proporn the establishment seems to be.

It's crazy how much time, money and resources is devoted to the PR of porn and trying to force it everywhere. The amount of ink wasted because sone dudes said they were abstaining from porn just for a month to focus that energy on other things.
 
The best argument for being antiporn is how goddamn proporn the establishment seems to be.

It's crazy how much time, money and resources is devoted to the PR of porn and trying to force it everywhere.
When Isreal took over a city(in Jordan I believe) in one of their wars one of the first things they was to take over the tv stations and blast porn on almost all of the channels 24/7.

:thinking:
 
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Registered Democrat because of course he is.
 
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Note: the author of that article literally wrote the book on being a good cuck:
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"Let your wife fuck other dudes! Watch lots of porn! Don't stop masturbating to porn!"
His whole shtick is pro-porn. There's no doubt that he's a porn industry shill.
Well i'll be damn, i still was right about them writing this with one hand tho
 
"Senior Research Fellow of The Kinsey Institute"

You mean the institute started by aguy that paid fathers and grandfathers to diddle their babies and other children see how many orgasms they could have in a day?

That concluded the children benefited because they had orgasms? Even if they belonged to the recorded category that "writhed" "cried" and/or "pleaded"?

That kinsey institute? Who's founder was the person to get satanist's lavey personal diary after his death? The guy that preached sex magick was powered through children?

Or in more mundane territory, that portrayed men in prison that wanted to participaye in sex studies as average rabdom male sample of american public to claim a much higher percentage of covert homosexuality than was going on?

That rockefeller funded guy?

Pardon me if I have doubts about the honesty of the research of the institute left behind.

These were men who have sex with men
Ah yes, a sample of very average male population. Kinsey institute still got it.
 
"The myth suggests that watching Internet pornography leads to men experiencing difficulties getting, and maintaining, erections, particularly when they try to have “real” sex. The claims also suggest that difficulty getting aroused leads to them watching more and more “extreme” pornography. Sex therapists and researchers like myself have been raising concerns about this myth for many years, for a variety of reasons"

Asking sex therapists about whether there's a porn problem is like asking Huffington Post writers if there's a political correctness problem.
 
There's no possible way for Internet porn to be stopped or even slowed down much, so it should be interesting to see what kind of society we end up in if the doom mongers are correct.
 
Wait, the study doesn't show what the headlines said it did at all (big surprise).

It said no matter how much porn gay men were exposed to, they were still aroused equally easily by new porn given to them by researchers (which they presumably hadn't seen before).

The contention made by many people is not that watching porn makes men less arousable with new porn, but that it makes them less arousable in real sexual situations. How the fuck is a study of gay men liking new porn equally well whether they see lots of porn or less porn an indicator that male peepees can function adequately for actual sex?
 
There's no possible way for Internet porn to be stopped or even slowed down much, so it should be interesting to see what kind of society we end up in if the doom mongers are correct.
I used to teach in a school district for the fun of it, and I'll tell you now, even in the 2009-2015 era the absolute tidal shift I saw in the amount, the presence, and the ubiquity of pornography throughout the whole K-12 system was terrifying. Parents have regularly given fully internet capable, unchecked access via phones and tablets to kids under the idea that "oh he's young, he's not gonna go lookin' for titties".

I'd confiscated 2nd grader's phones watching gash-bashing teledildonics via chaturbate, overheard 4th graders talk about their favorite porn series, heard high schoolers giggle about the girl in their group who hadn't had anal yet because "what's taking you so long?".

I'm not sure where we'll end up, but I think the shift will happen suddenly enough that no one will worry until it's too late to change. It's hard enough to wean off it, but the fact that you can't even state the idea that we need to limit access to kids and developing people without even a token effort without being called 'alt-right' is lunacy through and through.
 
Asking sex therapists about whether there's a porn problem is like asking Huffington Post writers if there's a political correctness problem.
This might be the most reasonable and intelligent thing you’ve ever said
 
Didn't it come out that 80% of their "studies" couldnt be reproduced? Even the famous Stanford Prison experiment turned out to be a load of croc.

You're speaking of psychology generally rather than Psychology Today (which doesn't really undertake research), I take it. Yes, although it varies depending on the field of psychology. Social psychology has, to no one's surprise, been shown to be irreproducible trash, with replication rates in the low 20s. Many other areas of psychology also performed poorly, although not quite that extreme. Exceptions to the replication crisis are intelligence testing and personality psychometrics (the big 5, mainly). Intelligence testing replicates at rates comparable to physics and chemistry, which are at the top in terms of weathering the replication crisis (iirc IQ testing replication is somewhere between the two). Personality psychometrics is a bit worse but not awful - which isn't surprising, because personality psychometrics usually relies on self-reporting, which introduces some noise.
 
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