🐱 Study: No Link Between Transgender Bathroom Access and Crime

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2...room-crimes/1YWqSptLXOSiobmbH0RBMM/story.html

A first-of-its-kind study being released Wednesday refutes the premise that the state’s transgender antidiscrimination law threatens public safety, finding no relation between public transgender bathroom access and crimes that occur in bathrooms.

Researchers at the Williams Institute, a think tank focused on gender identity at the UCLA School of Law, examined restroom crime reports in Massachusetts cities of similar size and comparable demographics and found no increase in crime and no difference between cities that had adopted transgender policies and those that had not. The data were collected for a minimum of two years before a statewide antidiscrimination law took effect in 2016.

Activists who want to undo that state law through a ballot question in the Nov. 6 election have focused their campaign message on bathroom safety concerns. They suggest that a new right for transgender people infringes on everyone else’s privacy rights, and could be abused by men who want to prey upon women and children in ladies’ rooms. The vote is being closely watched nationwide because it offers the nation’s first public referendum on transgender rights in the state that first introduced gay marriage.

Transgender activists bristle at the idea that the campaign casts them as potential sexual offenders and have argued that there is no evidence that the law threatens anyone’s safety.

A spokesman for the Freedom for All Massachusetts campaign, which is working to preserve the law, said the Williams Institute study reaffirms that stance.

“It really takes the wind out of the sails of our opponents who have been trying to paint this false picture,” said spokesman Matthew Wilder.

Yvette Ollada, a spokeswoman for the “Vote No on 3” campaign, said she could not speak to the study before reviewing it, but she questioned its objectivity since the opposing campaign was anticipating its release.

“If it’s unbiased, wouldn’t they send it to both campaigns?” Ollada said.

Wilder said his group was notified that the study would be released only after it was complete. “This was a completely independent research project,” he said. “We didn’t even know it was underway.”

The Williams Institute studies gender identity and sexual orientation, but the lead researcher maintained that its work is not always positive for the LGBTQ community.

“We talked about it before we started this research: What happens if we find out there is some sort of danger in this law?” said lead author Amira Hasenbush “If we had found one, we would have published that, too.”

The peer-reviewed study, published in Sexuality Research and Social Policy, focused on the years before Massachusetts adopted a statewide law prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations based on gender identity. Prior to that time, select municipalities had adopted local ordinances that had a similar effect: allowing transgender women into ladies’ rooms and transgender men into men’s rooms.

“Massachusetts was like this perfect petri dish,” said Rachel Dowd, a spokeswoman for the Williams Institute. “Different localities started to adopt it, and there was enough that allowed us to look at crime statistics over two years. And right as we were wrapping up our research, Massachusetts passed the statewide law.”

Under the 2016 Massachusetts law, any public place with separate areas for men and women must let people use the space consistent with their gender identity — a term that refers not to their biology, but to their sincerely held gender identity, appearance, or behavior. The activists who want to repeal the law say it could be abused by male predators and threaten privacy and safety of women and girls.

But until now there has been no empirical data to bolster or negate their concerns.

To establish the scope of the issue, researchers used public records requests to obtain police incident reports and compare bathroom crime data in cities with antidiscrimination laws — Medford, Melrose, and Newton — with comparable towns that lacked them. They paired each city with communities that were comparable based on a host of data, including crime and population demographics, poverty, and voting trends.

Medford was compared to Beverly and Watertown; Melrose was compared to Beverly; and Newton was compared to Brookline and Arlington.

Then, rather than looking at numbers alone, the researchers compared the differences in each locality over time to judge whether a change in bathroom crime could be attributable to the enactment of a transgender accommodation law.

“We did pretty much the most comprehensive study you could do for the state of Massachusetts,” said Hasenbush .

The study notes its limitations — largely on the quality of the data. Each police department had a different system for record-keeping; some were able to search manually, some electronically, and the researchers had to review the records to identify the incidents.

Still, researchers concluded that there was no statistically significant relationship either in the number of crimes occurring in any individual locality with a transgender accommodations law or in comparison to its matched pair. In fact, the average number of restroom incidents was higher in localities without transgender accommodations laws.

Moreover, the study noted: “Reports of privacy and safety violations in public restrooms, locker rooms, and changing rooms are exceedingly rare.”

That’s not to say that incidents don’t ever happen, however, the authors note.

Beyond the study, police departments report that they are seeing more “peeping Tom” cases — a factor they attribute less to gender politics than to advancing technology and the tiny cameras that are increasingly being used to spy on women in bathrooms. In June, a woman reported that a man seemed to be using a pen-like device to videotape her through a hole in the wall of a bathroom at the Garment District, the resale clothing store near Kendall Square, said Cambridge police spokesman Jeremy Warnick. Police were able to identify, but not apprehend, a suspect.

However, anecdotal reports of crimes in bathrooms seldom involve suspects who are — or are pretending to be — transgender.

And anyone, regardless of gender identity, can be arrested for criminal activity in a bathroom, Wilder said.

“If people — transgender or not — go into these spaces with the intent of committing a crime, they are still going to be prosecuted,” Wilder said. “There are still laws that prohibit that.”

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I don't really care about who needs to shit where, as long as you don't bother other people.

Also, does the text on every one of these bathrooms bother anyone else? It's like a full paragraph of legalese. Just put a generic "bathroom" label on it instead of "This bathroom validates your gender, have a wonderful girlpiss you stunning, brave woman".
That's what I've never understood about the whole gender-restroom bullshit. Why the need to bring it up in the first place?

Unisex restroom have existed for as long as I can remember. It's more efficient anyway since it avoids having some rooms empty while there's lines to the others.
 
That's what I've never understood about the whole gender-restroom bullshit. Why the need to bring it up in the first place?

Unisex restroom have existed for as long as I can remember. It's more efficient anyway since it avoids having some rooms empty while there's lines to the others.
Usually it's a lockable room with only one toilet in my experience so no need to worry about creepers. I'm an americunt so I don't know what unisex bathrooms are like in other countries.
 
Unisex restroom have existed for as long as I can remember. It's more efficient anyway since it avoids having some rooms empty while there's lines to the others.

I wondered what happened to those way back when. I was thinking what everybody is saying: just make a third "unisex" bathroom. Do these people think that this is the new "Black/White" water fountains of the 21st century?
 
Usually it's a lockable room with only one toilet in my experience so no need to worry about creepers. I'm an americunt so I don't know what unisex bathrooms are like in other countries.
The one-toilet rooms really has no point being gender-labelled. There's not supposed to be more than one person int here anyway.

The only issue I can see would the larger restrooms with toilets in booths and a line of standing urinals. But it's no more a problem than installing a screen for the urinals and anyone who wants to brandish their (girl)dick can swing it around there. And anyone who lack one or wish to not show it to the world can stand in line for a toilet booth.
 
I'd be willing to bet some of us have shared bathrooms with trans people without even realizing it. Not all of them look like Riley Dennis. There are plenty of Blair Whites and Buck Angels out there. Would you REALLY want to see someone who looked like Angel walking into the lady's room?


As for people who don't? If you're in a closed up stall, or putting on your make-up, washing your hands, etc. I honestly could not give less of a shit. Just don't leave the stalls in a mess (and women can be just as gross as men, trust me!), and it's cool.


it makes some sense and i'm not too surprised

for the most part, the kind of asshole who would dress up as the opposite sex to try to sneakily commit crimes in a bathroom is not the kind of person who is going to wait for laws letting trans people use the bathrooms. if someone is sleazy enough for bathroom crime, i figure they'll be doing it no matter what the law says

I always get this image of some perv kind of holding their breath, you know, "c'mon, please change the laws, I can't wait to go in and molest some people!"

And what REALLY gets me is when people are all worried about little girls in the ladies room, ("My granddaughters!!! What will happen to them!") Have they ever expressed any concern about what might happen to the little boys in the mens room? Cuz I'm sure there are child molestors have gone in there as well.

Finally, most people are assaulted by people they know. Not some stranger in the park, but a trusted friend, or relative. The main reason this is making the news is because it's such a big issue right now.


(LOCKER rooms, now that's a different story and one I don't have an answer for right now)
 
That's what I've never understood about the whole gender-restroom bullshit. Why the need to bring it up in the first place?

Unisex restroom have existed for as long as I can remember. It's more efficient anyway since it avoids having some rooms empty while there's lines to the others.

Right. And trannies were going to the bathroom in public long before this became An Important Issue. Somehow, things just worked out just fine for all that time. But now it's an unresolvable situation?

A big part of the problem is the discussion had become about "rights." There is no reason to believe a tranny's "right" to use whichever gendered bathroom they identify with eclipses the "right" of any person to use the restroom in comfort and privacy and safety, even if the stats say that's only a feeling of safety.

But that's only part of it. The other part is both sides of the aisle saw an issue they though could politicize for voter support. Democrats thought they could slot in tranny rights for gay marriage (lol), and Republicans thought people would push back against a prime example of the Left's insanity. I'm starting to think the Republicans were correct.
 
I always get this image of some perv kind of holding their breath, you know, "c'mon, please change the laws, I can't wait to go in and molest some people!"

And what REALLY gets me is when people are all worried about little girls in the ladies room, ("My granddaughters!!! What will happen to them!") Have they ever expressed any concern about what might happen to the little boys in the mens room? Cuz I'm sure there are child molestors have gone in there as well.
yes I have seen women on mommy forums say they don't let their 11 year old sons go to the men's room by themselves
 
And what REALLY gets me is when people are all worried about little girls in the ladies room, ("My granddaughters!!! What will happen to them!") Have they ever expressed any concern about what might happen to the little boys in the mens room? Cuz I'm sure there are child molestors have gone in there as well.
Have you never seen a woman take their boy into the ladies? It happens all the time. Part of it is because you can't trust the kid, but it's also because you can't trust anyone else.
 
A study is pointless. When men are forbidden socially from women's restrooms, do women have any complaints about men in the restrooms? No. When men are allowed into women's restrooms, have women had complaints? *checks A&H, see a teen MtF peeping over stalls story* Yep, a valid complaint by biological women.

Conclusion: don't let trannies into the wrong restrooms at all, problem solved.

FTFY.

Sooner or later some fat hairy tranny not even trying to pass is gonna get shot in one of these ladies' rooms for creeping or trying to molest a woman/little girl -- and you just fucking know the media is going to unironically go to bat for the creep who got plugged.
 
Banning trans people from using the bathrooms of their uh, "chosen" gender or whatever you call it wouldn't help either. Think about it: you have some guy who says, "I'm really a FtM and now I have to use the lady's room" -- by law, who could stop him? I wouldn't be surprised if some perv tried that tactic either. If someone's determined enough, they'll find a way.

Have you never seen a woman take their boy into the ladies? It happens all the time. Part of it is because you can't trust the kid, but it's also because you can't trust anyone else.

Of course. But at the same time, all I keep hearing about are "what about the little girls" -- nobody's mentioned any little boys, that's all.

Once again, I don't think it's any more likely that a trans person is going to assault someone, it's just that we hear about it more because the whole bathroom thing is such a big issue now. Just like it's not more likely for priests to be child molestors -- it just seems that way because of how the church handled it.
 
I still don't think there's ever been a case on record of a trans person getting attacked in a men's room except once at a gay bar (where I'm pretty sure it wasn't a case of transphobia, but rather a prostitution-gone-wrong thing), so while it may be true that there's no statistical correlation here, the fact that I can point to even a handful of cases where a dude uses a female getup to go into women's bathrooms and place spycams or assault women means the ladies' should be for vagoos only.
 
Right. And trannies were going to the bathroom in public long before this became An Important Issue. Somehow, things just worked out just fine for all that time. But now it's an unresolvable situation?
They weren't going, they just held it in till their bladders exploded like Tycho Brahe. It was getting to the point where Trump's Gamergate death squads were showing up and finding nothing but yellow splatters on the ceiling.
 
I still don't think there's ever been a case on record of a trans person getting attacked in a men's room except once at a gay bar (where I'm pretty sure it wasn't a case of transphobia, but rather a prostitution-gone-wrong thing), so while it may be true that there's no statistical correlation here, the fact that I can point to even a handful of cases where a dude uses a female getup to go into women's bathrooms and place spycams or assault women means the ladies' should be for vagoos only.

Some arbitrary line isn't going to stop some man from rushing in when a woman screams "rapist, help".

A good rapist targets womens shelters, schools and prisons.
 
Maybe all the places genteel and cultured enough to have specifically trans-friendly bathrooms are low crime areas, like universities or fancy california suburbs?
 
This isn't being framed correctly because the possibility of criminality is not really the issue. The issue is the comfort of the natal sexes who vastly outnumber these people and whose comfort should be considered above them when it comes to the use of bathrooms. Having a Tif stare at the dick of a man at the urinals, isn't a crime. Having a Tim make commentary that scares a woman in a bathroom and makes her feel genuinely unsafe, isn't a crime. Having a troon take photos in a bathroom technically isn't a crime. The actions don't have to be criminal to be a problem for the majority group using the facilities.

Given this issue is by and large affecting women there's also the negative consequences on female health. Historically lack of female toilet facilities were used as a way to control women and keep them in the home. Now you have women who genuinely want to pee in peace having their spaces invaded by men who we know are mentally unwell which will make natal women hesitant to risk entering those spaces to avoid those confrontations, especially in cases where they know troons are lurking about. Holding your waste can cause health issues with your kidneys / bladder / colon. Including but not limited too increased risk of infections and frequent constipation.
 
I've only been in one non-gendered bathroom and it was weird. It was the Atlanta Marriot during Dragoncon, and it was pretty damn weird to walk into what had been the women's restroom, where a number of girls practically had to strip to get out of their cosplay, and all of a sudden a guy walks out of one of the stalls to wash his hands. He wasn't a pervert or anything, he seemed as uncomfortable as the girls were, but they removed all the signs indicating "men" or "women" so it was a free-for-all.
 
I've only been in one non-gendered bathroom and it was weird. It was the Atlanta Marriot during Dragoncon, and it was pretty damn weird to walk into what had been the women's restroom, where a number of girls practically had to strip to get out of their cosplay, and all of a sudden a guy walks out of one of the stalls to wash his hands. He wasn't a pervert or anything, he seemed as uncomfortable as the girls were, but they removed all the signs indicating "men" or "women" so it was a free-for-all.
At least it wasn't an anime con. Imagine being in line for what you think is the women's room and then it turns out unlike the people heading in the symbol on the door doesn't have a dress.
 
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