Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

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You know what. I'm going to do something I've never done on the internet. Admit I was wrong. At first I thought this entire thing was going to be a whole bunch of seething and cope from the usual suspects, but seeing Pirate Software's very obvious biased bullshit coming from on high and watch how it's now ruined him, and seeing Ross actually sit there and make his arguments, things might actually start happening. I admit, I'm still a bit cynical about boomers not exactly knowing how a lot of technology works and concerned more about piracy than actually people who bought the fuckin' thing online, there is part of me that's actually hopeful that there's a good sign coming.

Ross mentioned "Right to Repair" as well, which was something that needed to be said, 'cause allowing companies to have an effective kill switch on these devices we pay thousands of dollars for is something that definitely needs to be called out. I'm still a bit worried, but hopefully more people speaking out will prevent more of these titles from being delisted for virtually no reason at all.
 
Stop Killing Games has hit the US. California's AB 1921, the Protect Our Games Act, just cleared two committees in the state legislature. If it passes, end-of-life support for server-dependent games stops being optional.

 
Hermiöne Granger said:
Stop Killing Games has hit the US. California's AB 1921, the Protect Our Games Act, just cleared two committees in the state legislature. If it passes, end-of-life support for server-dependent games stops being optional.

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Fuck this better keeps getting traction because if this hits US land as whole, then gaming companies really must bend in their knees and I'm looking forward to see how many will double-down on their basis of the game must remain unsupported without any end-of-life alternatives for users to keep playing it.

They really going to grasp a lot of straws if this gets to be at the right place ´´Supreme Court Copium ARC´´
 
Looks like Brexit won't stop SKG.

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Following the launch of organised campaign vehicles in the EU and US, we are pleased to announce that Gamers’ Voice has launched as the NGO vehicle for Stop Killing Games UK. Around the world, Stop Killing Games is gaining momentum: the European Citizens’ Initiative, NGOs in the US and the EU, the California POG Act, and legal cases in France. And now, the UK has its own organisation to take the fight forward in Westminster, with regulators, and in the wider public debate.

Gamers’ Voice has been created to represent players, creators and developers in UK policy discussions around video games. Its campaigns will focus on digital ownership, the shutdown of purchased games, monetisation practices, online safety rules, and the fair treatment of players.

Gamers’ Voice will serve as the UK NGO vehicle for Stop Killing Games.

🎮 The UK faces its own version of this fight​

Millions of people in Britain play video games, yet gamers are often talked about rather than spoken to.

Whether the issue is game preservation, live-service shutdowns, age verification, loot boxes, online safety laws, or proposals that could restrict young people’s ability to access, stream or socialise through games, the people affected are too often left out of the conversation.

Gamers’ Voice exists to change that.

🗣️ Some words from those involved​

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Ross Scott, founder of Stop Killing Games, said:

“While much of the SKG movement has been focused in the EU, the issue of game destruction is global, so the more governments that can achieve basic protections for customers and the medium, the better. We absolutely appreciate Gamers’ Voice pushing the issue forward in the UK.”

Tom Shannon, spokesperson for Gamers’ Voice, said:

“Gaming is one of the UK’s most popular cultural activities, yet there is no dedicated voice speaking for players and creators. We are seeking to change that.”

He added:

“Too often, conversations about gaming happen without input from the people who enjoy playing games. From questions of digital ownership and monetisation practices, to proposals linked to online safety laws that could require adults to show ID to access games or restrict younger people’s ability to stream gameplay or socialise online, we want to ensure gamers are part of those conversations.”

Gamers’ Voice has already begun engaging with parliamentarians from across the political spectrum, reflecting growing recognition that gaming policy and players’ rights deserve serious attention.

Tom Gordon, Member of Parliament for Harrogate and Knaresborough, said:

“Gaming is a hugely important part of how people relax, socialise and connect. Gamers’ Voice is doing valuable work to ensure that players are properly represented and that their voices are heard in decisions that affect them.”

🚀 We are not done yet​

We have some massive news coming up. Yes, you heard that right: we are not done yet.

Some words we wanted to direct to you all, the people who are Stop Killing Games:

Gamers, as a community, as a medium, and as a form of human expression, have been beaten down for so long and so massively. We all know very well the thousands of videos over the last years about how gaming, and the internet more broadly, have gradually been made worse. And we complained, a lot.

That complaining, that anger, has finally turned into action, and by the gods did it do that.

There is a lot more to come, and we have only just started. Next big one tomorrow!

For Stop Killing Games,
Moritz Katzner
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It's probably been asked a lot before, but why do publishers want the ability to kill games so bad? It just seems to fuck them over like Concord and that other one Highguard. Instead of making a few people happy they don't have a game anymore.
 
Part of it is reflex. You want no regulations, even reasonable ones, because it might be a problem 10 years later. Part of it is to force people to the new product. You want to sell your yearly COD, shutting down old servers forces migration to a new COD. Part of it is to make remasters easier to sell.
 
Waffle Iron said:
Part of it is reflex. You want no regulations, even reasonable ones, because it might be a problem 10 years later. Part of it is to force people to the new product. You want to sell your yearly COD, shutting down old servers forces migration to a new COD. Part of it is to make remasters easier to sell.
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I know it's just the example you used, but all the COD game's servers are still up. Even the completely unsuable ones thanks to hackers cheating, etc. Call of Duty is what you'd call peak capitalism in gaming, and they keep them up. It's surprising.
 
Gamergate Retiree said:
It's probably been asked a lot before, but why do publishers want the ability to kill games so bad?
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Beyond those mentioned, it simply isn't the industry standard. Once it doesn't become the standard, it takes effort to implement (and even argue in favor of during the design process) because everyone is used to a certain pipeline. You can see a similar problem in web development. The initial impetus to get servers in-house rather than P2P or allow self-hosting was probably from the early 2010's push for more moderation and from increased microtransactions.
 
Gamergate Retiree said:
It's probably been asked a lot before, but why do publishers want the ability to kill games so bad? It just seems to fuck them over like Concord and that other one Highguard. Instead of making a few people happy they don't have a game anymore.
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Consider that the only Heroes of Might and Magic that people care about is the 3rd game (released in 1999), and that there's been 5 other games released after that, including one this year, that nobody gives a shit about.

Consider that people still play Diablo 1 (released in 1997) and 2 (released in 2000) because those are better entries than Diablo 3 and 4,.

Corporations want the ability to just kill games you enjoy so that if you want to keep playing something in the series you need to buy the next product they put out, even if it turns out to be inferior. And if selling the next product doesn't work out, they still want to kill the old copy you got and re-release a remastered version of the product you like.
 
Unintelligence Score said:
Consider that the only Heroes of Might and Magic that people care about is the 3rd game (released in 1999), and that there's been 5 other games released after that, including one this year, that nobody gives a shit about.

Consider that people still play Diablo 1 (released in 1997) and 2 (released in 2000) because those are better entries than Diablo 3 and 4,.
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There's more, fallout, ones from 90s is still played today, it even has total conversions that can be considered actual games of the series like Fallout Sonora
 
Gamergate Retiree said:
It's probably been asked a lot before, but why do publishers want the ability to kill games so bad? It just seems to fuck them over like Concord and that other one Highguard. Instead of making a few people happy they don't have a game anymore.
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The video game industry, despite being gigantic, is seen as inconsequential by most people. It is used by Jews like Larry Fink, who are deeply involved in social engineering, to test their next steps.
Turning people into complete slaves to subscriptions is their next big goal. The obvious consequence is that if nothing can be owned and everything is a subscription, you have to follow the ToS and behave according to the rules if you want access to essentials.
This is the wet dream of social engineers. You become a little rat in a Skinner box, following all the rules so you don’t get locked out of your smart fridge for violating the ToS.
The ability to erase or update the past is another major goal. If you are perceptive and revisit older media and compare it to new media, you will notice obvious social engineering efforts, such as White erasure. Without the ability to access previous versions of media, people can only consume remakes that have been updated to conform to current approved values.

It is not about money. The big financial actors (BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street), who function as one organization split into three to evade anti-monopoly laws, have the ability to issue credit directly from the Fed. They have effectively infinite money, and they are the main shareholders in gaming.
This is why they don’t really care if projects flop over and over.
They just issue more credit, which devalues the dollar and makes the goycattle pay for everything through inflation.
Most people get their understanding of history and reality from media, more specifically from movies, TV shows, and games.
Subscriptions ensure you can only consume the latest approved pieces of media, learning the latest approved version of history and reality.
 
The Tall Man said:
Subscriptions ensure you can only consume the latest approved pieces of media, learning the latest approved version of history and reality.
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I assume the next move is to actually make the act of violating the DMCA have weight again, because I don't see how this works with how readily available media is on the Seven Seas.
 
Gamergate Retiree said:
I assume the next move is to actually make the act of violating the DMCA have weight again, because I don't see how this works with how readily available media is on the Seven Seas.
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Doesn’t matter. Just like it doesn’t matter that you can find accurate information about history and reality if you spend the time and effort to look for it.
Most people will follow the path of least resistance and just subscribe.
That means most people will hold the views their social engineers want them to hold.
This will lead to laws and social expectations that conform to these views.

You can buy a “classic” analogue fridge, but every new fridge comes with “smart features” that include a ToS.
There is no need to have complete influence over everyone. All that is needed is enough to create the desired change of culture.
 
geckogoy said:
If you haven't checked on the seven seas recently its pretty dead
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Like, last week recently? I'm only asking because there was an anime I need to pull up for a stream and I found it within two seconds last month. I found a copy of an old wii game I wanted to play two weeks ago. Yar har seems well and truly alive.
 
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