💰 Grifter StoneToss (allegedly, formerly Red Panels)

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AltisticRight said:
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Opinion discarded as rubbish.

Yes, edgy comics are propaganda, Troon out happy hour and I have two dads type books aimed at children isn't. Give me a break, the word propaganda is retarded and meaningless.
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Yep and this is the internet. And all creative works can be taken and twisted and subverted from their original meaning. Is it problematic if someone twists a Stonetoss comic to mock racists? See the popular "Oh no I'm being genocided" edit.

You just have to have faith that young minds are capable of not being poisoned by memes. And if someone is indeed gullible enough to be poisoned by Stonetoss's silly edgy comics I think their mental capacities are very limited or they were of an already hateful mindset.
 
I dont know why the leftists try to combat Stonetoss by meme'ing his comics. They do realize that it only causes more eyes to fall on his product. For as much liberal college ideology they might have, you would assume a quick 101 in Marketing would be on their curriculum somewhere.
 
Houseloafer said:
I dont know why the leftists try to combat Stonetoss by meme'ing his comics. They do realize that it only causes more eyes to fall on his product. For as much liberal college ideology they might have, you would assume a quick 101 in Marketing would be on their curriculum somewhere.
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Probably because /pol/ edited Ben Garrisons work into hilariously racist edits that were legitimately funny. /pol/ never hated Ben though, they were milking him for rage over him being associated with nazism instead of the boilerplate libertarian he actually was.

there’s two differences though: 1. Zyklon Ben edits were actually fucking funny instead of WORDS WORDS WORDS, and 2. /pol/ wasn’t seething with hatred towards Ben, whereas these tankies are trying to own a narcissist by giving him and his work waaay more attention than it’d have gotten on its own.
 
Houseloafer said:
I dont know why the leftists try to combat Stonetoss by meme'ing his comics. They do realize that it only causes more eyes to fall on his product. For as much liberal college ideology they might have, you would assume a quick 101 in Marketing would be on their curriculum somewhere.
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Lefties and economics go together like snails and table salt.
 
Houseloafer said:
I dont know why the leftists try to combat Stonetoss by meme'ing his comics. They do realize that it only causes more eyes to fall on his product. For as much liberal college ideology they might have, you would assume a quick 101 in Marketing would be on their curriculum somewhere.
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They find the comics funny, but don't want to laugh at the "wrong" type of jokes so they desperate try and twist it into a leftist meme. That's all it is.
 
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Houseloafer said:
I dont know why the leftists try to combat Stonetoss by meme'ing his comics. They do realize that it only causes more eyes to fall on his product. For as much liberal college ideology they might have, you would assume a quick 101 in Marketing would be on their curriculum somewhere.
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1. Modern marketing 101 will teach you "push the corporate approved ideology (only without saying it's name or stating it's actual goals) because the consumer has literally no choice but buying either your company's product or other brands who are still owned by your parent company.
2. It's about replacement, that's why the nigger-fied version of HP Lovecraft works keeps popping up. The idea is taking someone else's hard work and using it for your propaganda enough that it's the first thing people think.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
1. Modern marketing 101 will teach you "push the corporate approved ideology (only without saying it's name or stating it's actual goals) because the consumer has literally no choice but buying either your company's product or other brands who are still owned by your parent company.
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Well that's not really Marketing 101, but I get what you're going for.
Here's what nobody really talks about: memes are ads. Every popular meme over the past 15/20 years or however long it's been has pretty much followed what successful ads do, in the sense that they are visually dominant and punchy, have limited copy/text, and are adhering to a lifestyle. Even the old copy-heavy Ogilvy ads were trying to speak in a fun and personable way.
There is no Corporate Approved Ideology being pushed, they are doing what they've always done and promoting a lifestyle, it's just that the lifestyle is activism and wokeness. The same people who hate modern marketing will look back fondly on old marketing, back when the values being pushed were more traditional, familiar, arguably positive, etc. But if you think back, it was just as dumb in the 90s, it was just amplifying what the dominant market forces were interested in but that's why it's no deeper than that. I think what we are seeing in real time is corporations trying to take the concept of activism and making it as general and widely applicable as possible with mixed results.

Meme culture is essentially people creating their whole infrastructure and corporations suck at infiltrating it. If you are a fan of memes, you are pretty much a fan of Hobbyist Advertisements which is interesting why the most popular ones on 4chan are about being a racist schizoid, and the visuals tend to be much more violent than they used to be. It's reflective of this particular community lifestyle. Leftists aren't interested in that, they don't even like thinking in those terms.

There is nothing organic, natural, or human about what they do, which means that their visual language and their regular language will always be repulsive to the average person. People like to say advertisements are manipulative, but across time they've more often be a reflection of the popular zeitgeist and a sort-of metaphysical existence that people would aspire to. The Nuclear Family used to be everywhere, it was freedom, they had more in common with Normal Rockwell paintings and an idyllic America that may not have even existed except in the dreams and motivations of the mainstream population. But that still matters to people. Leftists only understand revolution and lecturing so everything they do will come across as shitty.

This is what they hate about Stonetoss so much: he reminds them that behind all the flare and Rage Against the Machine lyrics, nobody likes what they do, and your average 4chan reader has a greater chance of being effective by accident.
 
Rekkington said:
There is nothing organic, natural, or human about what they do, which means that their visual language and their regular language will always be repulsive to the average person.
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Good post, but I sincerely doubt this claim. People who are online a ton don't really realize how little normal people think about this stuff. We might notice when companies (or, more likely, the marketing department of said company) push subversive agendas, but barely anybody I've met in meatspace knows or even cares. The only real exception is stuff like Coca-Cola saying "be less white", and even then, normal people might roll their eyes, but they're not going to stop drinking soda over it.
BM+WW commercials are not a reflection of reality, or even a popular zeitgeist of existence that people aspire to. Those commercials are a really good example that, yes, there is a Corporate Approved Ideology, they just now realize that the people who disagree with said ideology have zero power. In the 60-90s, it was nebulous "rebellion" they were marketing because they couldn't quite get away with what they're pushing now.
Stonetoss essentially is doing this exact same tactic, but in reverse. While his message is mostly political takes, his enemies have inadvertently turned it into a cutesy "amogus" character with his own nefarious opinions lying underneath. He has numerous comics that make fun of both the right and the left, which might also catch newcomers off guard and make them more receptive to his work. However, the reason why they hate stonetoss so much is actually because unlike his more spergy mutuals like hedgewik, he actually has wit and is marketable. I doubt anyone would care nearly as much if stonetoss sucked at art and his only punchline was 13/50. He usually has more sauce than that, and that's why he's dangerous.
 
Xarpho said:
In regards to "Reap What You Soy", is it really that hypocritical to agonize over destruction of businesses you once sneered at? Is it really better for it (and by extension, the rest of the city) to besieged by subhumans and commies rather than a shot at redemption?
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Yes.

Human beings can be redeemedn, corporate entities cannot.
 
Unyielding Stupidity said:
As we all know nowadays, propaganda is when media disagrees with my viewpoints. The more it disagrees with me, the more it becomes propaganda.
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Propaganda isn't when one guy expresses an unpopular opinion. Something that is propaganda? Dozens of "news" outlets releasing the same story on the same day, just barely reworded, after being given their marching orders in a secret mailing list.
 
AltisticRight said:
Yes, edgy comics are propaganda, Troon out happy hour and I have two dads type books aimed at children isn't. Give me a break, the word propaganda is retarded and meaningless.
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I like the (brazilian) Portuguese language because their word for advertising is "propaganda"
 
Lemmingwise said:
I like the (brazilian) Portuguese language because their word for advertising is "propaganda"
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Its a shame english has become so twisted its basically double speak. The modern advertising industry came out of (((public relations))) which was basically US state propaganda. I really think if we just called a spade a spade things wouldn't be as retarded as they are now.
 
Small-arms Supremacy said:
Its a shame english has become so twisted its basically double speak. The modern advertising industry came out of (((public relations))) which was basically US state propaganda. I really think if we just called a spade a spade things wouldn't be as retarded as they are now.
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Yes, they would. Orwell was a retard when it comes to this, because like Ayn Rand, he wouldn't know subtlety if it hit him in the head, pardon the irony.

Some words develop to mean the opposite. When someone speaks about "cultural enrichment", people are more likely to think of rapefugees than learning japanese table manners.

Yes , of course people are confused by the increasingly kafkaesque nature of public discourse, but it has long since moved on from the way they are called. It is deeply embedded in people's psyche and if it changed overnight and for some covid reason people are compelled to call things by their name, they would still translate it in their heads. Translate it back to the propaganda terms, mind you.

This is a battle won in generations and who controls what the new generation sees and experiences?
 
Lemmingwise said:
Yes, they would. Orwell was a retard when it comes to this, because like Ayn Rand, he wouldn't know subtlety if it hit him in the head, pardon the irony.

Some words develop to mean the opposite. When someone speaks about "cultural enrichment", people are more likely to think of rapefugees than learning japanese table manners.

Yes , of course people are confused by the increasingly kafkaesque nature of public discourse, but it has long since moved on from the way they are called. It is deeply embedded in people's psyche and if it changed overnight and for some covid reason people are compelled to call things by their name, they would still translate it in their heads. Translate it back to the propaganda terms, mind you.

This is a battle won in generations and who controls what the new generation sees and experiences?
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I obviously didn't mean calling marketing propaganda suddenly makes everything better but that if we stopped letting words be changed because some jew decided to astroturf them into our language things would be better off. If anything the solution now would be to disregard entirely poisoned words and use alternatives or reframe phrases like 'cultural enrichment' since they never had strong connotations to begin with. Just being aware of the linguistic shifts that have happened over the years can help people know how to deal with language in the future and therein lies the value of telling people about it.
 
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