STEM students are privileged at Duke

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By Sonia Green
September 6, 2023 | 12:00am EDT
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What picture comes to mind when you think of the stereotypical STEM student? Are they stressed? Do they struggle to balance their workload? Do they procrastinate or do they work hard and play equally as hard? Regardless of what exactly you imagine, I’m pretty sure that privilege was not a part of that image. I’m not talking about the fact that STEM students are overwhelmingly white or Asian and male or the fact that their careers generate higher salaries. I’m talking about the privilege that comes with studying STEM and how the Duke community treats students because of it.

I am not a STEM student. I never liked math. I always saw science as just another subject in school. And I never grew up with dreams of working in medicine, engineering, or a technology field. I preferred reading in English class and learning about culture in history class. I never considered this to be odd until I came to Duke. Here, it felt like everyone I met wanted to do one of three things (outside of law and consulting of course): go to medical school, become an engineer or major in computer science so that they could work at some tech company. And I wasn’t wrong. A recent survey from the career center found that the top five industries Duke students enter are technology, finance, business or management consulting, healthcare and medicine and science or research. I felt like no one wanted to write books, or make movies or learn about people and culture. As a self-proclaimed anti-STEM student, I started to see the benefits of pursuing the STEM path at Duke and how my own path lacked these advantages.

Whenever I told someone I planned to major in African & African American Studies, I was always asked what I wanted to do or given a smile and a “that’s cool." Many Duke students don’t even know what non-STEM students actually study. If you ask a Duke student to define cultural anthropology or describe what ethnic studies students are learning, they most likely cannot. But should the conversation switch to biology, chemistry or computer science, their faces light up.

How have we as a campus so easily coded STEM majors as normal while viewing the humanities and social sciences as foreign and in some cases useless? Why do we respect the rigor of labs and problem sets, but call other students “lucky” when they must read an assigned book in only a week or fully develop an original creative concept in just a few days? We are constantly told that there will be countless job opportunities available to us that have not been created yet, such as social media marketing. Then we as a society turn around and tell students in college to focus on building marketable skills (which is often just code for STEM skills like coding) and creating a stellar resume. How have these ideas translated into a greater push towards STEM?

STEM students are also privileged in terms of resources. Whenever the university allocates funds or comes across new resources, it seems like these departments always eat first. The history department sits in the Classroom Building on East Campus, across from Friedl which is home to the AAAS and cultural anthropology departments, while engineers quite literally have an entire quad to themselves. Even the quality of the classrooms varies. There are still chalkboards on campus used by — you guessed it — non-STEM professors. How are STEM buildings able to have such beautiful architecture and large glass windows, yet social science buildings are often in inconvenient locations that lead many students to avoid taking those courses? Let’s be honest; traveling to Friedl, or the Classroom Building, or East Duke or Smith Warehouse when you don’t live on East Campus is not the most convenient. Yet, it’s something that I and many other students do every week.

Even in terms of community, STEM students are privileged. Any room that they walk into they can be sure that at least one other student studies something under the STEM umbrella, and in many cases, it’s easy to find someone in their department. I have been in many rooms with pre-med, Pratt and computer science students where I was the odd one out. I was the one who said no to STEM. Even as a double major in AAAS and Visual & Media Studies, I struggle to find peers who are majoring in either department. Many social science departments at Duke have very few majors and finding a social science student who doesn’t study public policy is also a real challenge. You have the occasional STEM and humanities double major or the STEM students with a social science minor but overall, being a non-STEM student is isolating and can be lonely. Who do you talk to about your classes when your friends are all pre-med? Who do you study with when you’re surrounded by engineers? What upperclassmen can you turn to for advice when they all study computer science?

Learning to navigate this experience at Duke was an adjustment. While STEM students have no control over the resources they receive or the facilities they are given, we must acknowledge that there is some privilege there. By no means am I implying that STEM is easy. However, we must create space for non-STEM students to feel heard and let them know that whatever they choose to study is valid. STEM students are also responsible for educating themselves and using what few opportunities they have to take courses that teach them something different or challenge them in a new way. I believe that the humanities and social sciences provide useful skills that we all need to develop. Maybe then it will become clear that everything at Duke is valuable, not just STEM fields.

Sonia Green is a Trinity junior. Her column typically runs on alternate Tuesdays.
 
She's says no one majors in her specific field but then groups STEM together as a whole. My experiences in math and engineering were very different. She says no one is taking her specific course but engineering students can find people taking her course. But that's because engineering majors have few choices in what classes to take. We take 80% of the same classes then pick a few electives to specify our field of study.
 
Humanities have their place, even if they are currently overfilled to the brim with useless people who won't even do much in the field and are consigned to poverty, but African & African American Studies of all things, fucking hell. I can at least respect someone who say learned Latin and studied the classics, but this is beyond Humanities and Social Sciences into just a useless adult babysitting degree, along with all the other useless subjects now present to offer to the masses who are told you must go to college.
 
However, we must create space for non-STEM students to feel heard and let them know that whatever they choose to study is valid.
The truth is, if you're a Gender Studies major or a "African & African American Studies" major you should know full well that you are a burden on society, you do nothing to help the world, nothing to create understanding, and somebody other than you should have gone to college in your place. Someone who, y'know, is actually going to be something when they get older and produce something other than (at best) a cookie cutter book about how Latinx-Trans-Pan-Inter-racial people are systemically oppressed (that nobody is ever gonna care about.) You are not even equal to the average coder, and that's saying something. If society wasn't pozzed to high hell, you'd be digging ditches, and people can tell. That's a good thing.
 
If you ask a Duke student to define cultural anthropology or describe what ethnic studies students are learning, they most likely cannot.
Nobody fucking can, because they're meaningless phrases that result in no gainful employment when you graduate with them on your diploma.

I'm a big fan of the humanities, but it's absolutely true that they're far oversubscribed and they originated as degrees for the elite who would then go on to a professional career path (or they were nobility, clergy, etc.). If you're going to get a graduate degree in accounting or business afterwards and be a white collar corpo, then it's no problem to study Latin or Romantic English poetry or military history or whatever. But what Sonia Green wants is for her bullshit degree to be as respected (and employable) as a degree that signifies a person can design a functioning bridge or computer program. Sorry Sonia, that's never gonna happen and you've been scammed by people who need these bullshit programs to exist in order to maintain their employment.
 
I believe that the humanities and social sciences provide useful skills that we all need to develop. Maybe then it will become clear that everything at Duke is valuable, not just STEM fields.

The person that wrote this article also believes that there are multiple amounts of genders and thinks that the Earth is flat.
 
you should know full well that you are a burden on society, you do nothing to help the world, nothing to create understanding, and somebody other than you should have gone to college in your place.
A lot of them try to get diversity hire management jobs and use their upper(middle) class connections to do so.
 
This is the person who will complain about student loans. Duke is one of the most expensive schools and african American studies is a joke with no real job prospects.
 
As with many things in life, this "gap" can be boiled down to one thing: money or, at least, resources.

A good STEM department will, eventually, attract investments, resources, and the goodwill of powerful people and companies, because, cynical as it might be, it helps make money: you can wave a few unpaid internships around, and have dozens of undergraduates with objectively measurable skills fighting to work on your stuff, for nothing but some credits and all the coffee they can keep down. With those interns, you can have hardware, software, buildings, oil wells, industries, new materials, simulations, power stations, machinery and much more designed, implemented, tested or operated. This was so centuries ago, it is now, and will continue to be in the foreseeable future, because it provides an objective, immediate, and measurable benefit to society.

I live near a campus of a university famed for its Computer Science and Electrical Engineering courses. Companies that have worked with the university's STEM departments have funded, by now, about 20% of the campus' buildings (laboratories, class buildings, and study rooms), not to mention a ton of materials, equipment and renovations. The STEM and Humanities departments originally took up the same space, with much of the campus being undeveloped when the university was created; nowadays, the latter occupies the same area, about 1/8th of the campus, while everything else was indirectly financed and developed through the sweat and blood of the nerds and their funny calculus-humping ways.

A current-day humanities department will attract flies, as it is filled with unwashed hippies and commies who'll accuse you of being a racist colonizer because you eat porridge with a spoon, instead of shoving it up your nose and waiting for it so slide down your throat like the Jomba-Jomba Tribe of North-Northwestern Belgian Polynesia does with its beetle larva cakes. They'll huff their own farts, participate or promote in the occasional circular fart-huffing symposium, and contribute little to society other than sheer Anita Sarkeesian-level lunacy. To those historians, geographers, linguists and others who take their job seriously and seriously want to advance human knowledge, I salute you; the rest can go die in a fire. I'm not saying humanities aren't important because they're not lucrative. But I am saying they've become filled with so much political and ideological chaff that you need an electronic microscope to see the point where they separate from platonic idiocy.
 
The only higher education that truly has some worth is medical school and engineering. Doctors will always be an absolute necessity to keep people running and engineers will always be an absolute necessity to keep technology running, some (not all, some) of which is really useful. Secondary to this, economy and law has some purpose in keeping the state functioning.

Arts, literature?What? Why do you need a degree to make aesthetically pleasing drawings or to understand a book? Moviemaking? That's solely to get into Hollyweird's inner circle. To say any of these have any worth over actually vital trades and business is just laughable at best.

Get fucked and stay seething, femoid.
 
I've ever only met one graduate of Ethnic (Latin America specifically) Studies; and she was one of the Librarians at my college. The only thing those degrees carry is the possibility to become a college professor; other than that, they're just a fancy piece of paper. I suppose one could become some sort of Museum Guide or whatever because they're learned on whatever the fuck it is they studied.

She's says no one majors in her specific field but then groups STEM together as a whole. My experiences in math and engineering were very different. She says no one is taking her specific course but engineering students can find people taking her course. But that's because engineering majors have few choices in what classes to take. We take 80% of the same classes then pick a few electives to specify our field of study.
California required us to take like two semesters of Psychology on top of our main courses. But other than that, yeah, if you're STEM and you know what you want to do (and you want to get done fast), you don't take too many electives outside of just meeting the requirements. I remember a girl asking me if I want to have fun while going to school; well of course I do, but I also want to have good grades and graduate on time, and my coursework is a little more serious than the liberal arts... I think she was also fishing for someone to buy her booze, but I only realized that well after the fact.
 
Arts, literature?What? Why do you need a degree to make aesthetically pleasing drawings or to understand a book? Moviemaking? That's solely to get into Hollyweird's inner circle. To say any of these have any worth over actually vital trades and business is just laughable at best.
I have a friend who's currently going through college/university, and he's pissed that there's a foreign language requirement. He went on a rant and demanded a legitimate answer for why he must show some mastery in a foreign language; to which I went on to explain it's from the older times, when going to college meant you're "educated," and "distinguished," and possibly a "better," when compared to everyone else. While that language requirement may have gone away in a number of places, the college degree has taken the place as a gatekeeper; the problem is, the degree requirements have crashed, so you're not even the distinguished educated master the older generations could pretend they were.

College used to mean something, back when you could get out of high school, walk into a building, talk to a guy for five minutes, offer a firm handshake and congratulations, you have a job and will get a gold watch when you retire in 40 years. Now a days, it's just another hurdle to clear, and unless you're doing STEM or you're at a school that has a reputation to keep, it's not that big of a hurdle. The one difference I notice is in the STEM fields, there are people who experience imposter syndrome; I.E. they got an education, passed the tests, maybe even did well, but when they stepped out of the classroom and into the real world, they feel inadequate or like they don't really belong because shit's above and beyond (I.E. College really didn't prepare them). Meanwhile, all the so called artists and literary analysis people can spout 10 pages of twenty-dollar words that mean absolutely nothing, but do so with the confidence of a Rockafeller at her Sweet Sixteen Birthday.
 
I see her African & African American Studies classes have paid off, as she is well on her way to becoming a professional grievance artist. Hopefully she can secure some comfy DEI position before that bubble bursts.
 
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