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>Think of binging it to catch-up & be up-to-date.
>Show gets axed in crossfire of Zaslav's great crusade.
Pain.
>Show gets axed in crossfire of Zaslav's great crusade.
Pain.
Stargirl - So Harlequin finished but I still had my subscription...
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Episode 10: Okay, I did not see that coming. Also, LOL at the killer being trans.
Also, watching Stargirl back to back with Titans (the first makes me happy, the second makes me laugh), it tickles me how Titans is all in on hyperviolence but nobody ever has a scratch whereas after a fight in Stargirl, people look like this:
Also, watching Stargirl back to back with Titans (the first makes me happy, the second makes me laugh), it tickles me how Titans is all in on hyperviolence but nobody ever has a scratch whereas after a fight in Stargirl, people look like this:
Who is Zaslav and why is he responsible for me losing Stargirl?
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Geoff Johns has said that the changes at the network during S3's production made him figure there was a good chance of the show being cancelled, so supposedly the finale will be a decent ending for the series.
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Given what happened to two characters in this latest episode I can see that mindset on display. He's going all out.
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The killer is Trans is kind of based in my opinion
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Holy Hell. This show played me. It completely and successfully played me. And in the absolute fairest of terms. Everything I needed was there. Hell, things were even laid out in previous seasons. And I didn't see it coming. There was a moment half-way through when something is revealed and I suddenly went "Oh, Hell!" because I thought I'd worked out what was going on. In my head I was already writing my comment here saying: "It takes brass balls to keep your villain to the last few episodes of the series to reveal, but they pulled it off. This is cool". And then the rug was pulled from under me and what I thought I'd worked out was, well... this is even better.
Okay, just like S1 finale I swear you will lose so much if you read this before you watch it. This is some of most comic book brilliance I have ever seen put on TV. Colossal spoilers from now on.
An actually scary villain. Like, genuinely. I thought Eclipso was bad. This one is actually more frightening in a way because it's just so personal. This is a really, really well written show.
And wow was this violent. Yet in its way it's more family suitable than many less violent shows because the morality is sound. I would rather kids watch a show like this with some mild peril (as they call it) and a few moments of actual brutality that you're not supposed to like, than shows with less of either but a bad message or 'heroes' you wouldn't want your kids to be like.
But the show actually played me. So few shows really do - they either are predictable or they throw in so many dumb red herrings and misdirects it's stupid. This... so good.
Okay, just like S1 finale I swear you will lose so much if you read this before you watch it. This is some of most comic book brilliance I have ever seen put on TV. Colossal spoilers from now on.
Wow! I now completely get the groan and "oh no" Pat and Sylvester both gave when the kids tell them about the "albino gorilla" they saw. At the time I thought it was a neat way to telegraph how bad the Ultrahumanite was and I figured they needed to because if you don't show your villain till near the end you run the risk of not being able to really make them feel like a threat. You may want to go for the Marlon Brando at the end of Apocalypse Now sort of result but you're taking one Hell of a gamble. But now I realise that scene, was... I mean, I just... replaying that with what we now know it's just a crazy hillarious awful moment.
And I really liked the smooth telegraphing of how good the Ultrahumanite is at acting by having set him up as Delores winning that award not even just at the start of this episode but going back to when he's first named. We KNOW he's a fucking brilliant actor. But we didn't know that this fact was going to be so key because we're already primed to think "big gorilla". Chekhov's Oscar we can call it. Oh and by the way, the actress who played him in this episode was really, really good. To in a few minutes of screen time make him so scary is impressive. Her shift from darling actress to snarling murderer was really well done.
So many little things that jarred just make sense in retrospect. Normally I hate villain monologues but this time his crowing was actually useful in pointing out all the many ways in which he'd pulled this off. And done so well it both felt wrong and was plausible at the same time. His getting Beth to keep her parents at a distance, his messing with Rick over the limiter, even nudging Mike to go behind Pat's back. I'd forgotten half of those things until they were shown on screen. And the little interludes with Sylvester in previous seasons. We just assumed that he was trying to track Pat down but it's never once actually suggested that's what he was doing, I think.
Fuck, I'm going to have to actually go back and re-watch some of these episodes with what I know now.
EDIT: Re-watching the opening and her line about "couldn't possibly wish for a better role to lose herself in". Except that's what Ultrahumanite actually found. And nearly did. Just love this show.
And I really liked the smooth telegraphing of how good the Ultrahumanite is at acting by having set him up as Delores winning that award not even just at the start of this episode but going back to when he's first named. We KNOW he's a fucking brilliant actor. But we didn't know that this fact was going to be so key because we're already primed to think "big gorilla". Chekhov's Oscar we can call it. Oh and by the way, the actress who played him in this episode was really, really good. To in a few minutes of screen time make him so scary is impressive. Her shift from darling actress to snarling murderer was really well done.
So many little things that jarred just make sense in retrospect. Normally I hate villain monologues but this time his crowing was actually useful in pointing out all the many ways in which he'd pulled this off. And done so well it both felt wrong and was plausible at the same time. His getting Beth to keep her parents at a distance, his messing with Rick over the limiter, even nudging Mike to go behind Pat's back. I'd forgotten half of those things until they were shown on screen. And the little interludes with Sylvester in previous seasons. We just assumed that he was trying to track Pat down but it's never once actually suggested that's what he was doing, I think.
Fuck, I'm going to have to actually go back and re-watch some of these episodes with what I know now.
EDIT: Re-watching the opening and her line about "couldn't possibly wish for a better role to lose herself in". Except that's what Ultrahumanite actually found. And nearly did. Just love this show.
An actually scary villain. Like, genuinely. I thought Eclipso was bad. This one is actually more frightening in a way because it's just so personal. This is a really, really well written show.
And wow was this violent. Yet in its way it's more family suitable than many less violent shows because the morality is sound. I would rather kids watch a show like this with some mild peril (as they call it) and a few moments of actual brutality that you're not supposed to like, than shows with less of either but a bad message or 'heroes' you wouldn't want your kids to be like.
But the show actually played me. So few shows really do - they either are predictable or they throw in so many dumb red herrings and misdirects it's stupid. This... so good.
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Well I started this thread with the first season. I should write something at the last episode of the last season. I think overall I was satisfied with the finale - it set a proper capstone on the story and did right by most of the characters. The show has done such a good job of concealing its smaller budget that I've rarely felt it detracted. The script and the actors are so good. But it was noticeable in places. I would dearly have liked it to not cut away during Shiv's big fight. It also had more endings than The Return of the King. You remember how that movie just has epilogue upon epilogue upon epilogue. This has even more. I think I counted... eight? Nine? But there's a lot to unwrap and one in particular made me smile because I genuinely thought they'd forgotten Artemis and that was the most rewarding "post credits" of them all (to be clear, it's not post-credits, I'm just calling it that because it's after we think things have wrapped up).
I also really like Jakim finally getting the hang of wishing and we see why he is the one who should have the pen, as we knew he should all along.
Also, that opening and a few other bits in this show are horrifying. Surprised they went so dark.
A few spoiler thoughts:
I'll miss the show. It's had some great highlights and I feel a little sad that they couldn't go out with slightly more of a bang but they gave everyone the ending they deserved. Well, Artemis gave someone the ending they deserve.
If our movies and our TV shows are to be filled with comic book heroes, lets have them be unashamed of what they are like Stargirl. Not wallowing in irony or clinging to realism in a sea of critics.
"It never ends".
I also really like Jakim finally getting the hang of wishing and we see why he is the one who should have the pen, as we knew he should all along.
Also, that opening and a few other bits in this show are horrifying. Surprised they went so dark.
A few spoiler thoughts:
I liked to see Artemis kill Icicle. I'm not a very blood-thirsty person but there was something very satisfying in her getting that closure. And it made me laugh that the whole "shows up just when she's needed" had been telegraphed earlier but then you think they'd genuinely forgotten her. And there's something symbolically rewarding that its her father's hockey pucks that are (kind of) Icicle's undoing.
I'm glad Stripesy didn't die. With the way the previous episode ended and some of the dark places they'd gone I genuinely considered they might. I mean, I thought probably not, but it made me doubt. Good writing.
I adore Jakim's wish. Straight and from the heart: "I wish that the most beautiful girl in the world..." and Mike interjecting with "wait, that's not objective. Who is to say she's the most beautiful girl in the world" and Jakeem's "I am!" Teenage crushes - the best!
The Ultrahumanite was a very effective and scary villain in the previous episode. Here... a little undermined by monologuing. The classic villain blunder. He could have won if he just didn't need to gloat.
Cameron's mum dying. Darkly hilarious with Wildcat's response of "I didn't do it!" Which makes sense after how traumatised she was from killing Brainwave's son. Also, she really didn't do it, more or less. The woman basically dropped a car on her own head.
I like how well written this season was on the whole in that it put the conceit right out there in the season title and still got away with the surprise. You look at "Frenemies" at the start of every single episode and you think it's about Enemies as friends / on your side. And it is - but there's another side to the coin. The "friend" turned out to be the enemy just as much. Right there the whole time.
I'm glad Stripesy didn't die. With the way the previous episode ended and some of the dark places they'd gone I genuinely considered they might. I mean, I thought probably not, but it made me doubt. Good writing.
I adore Jakim's wish. Straight and from the heart: "I wish that the most beautiful girl in the world..." and Mike interjecting with "wait, that's not objective. Who is to say she's the most beautiful girl in the world" and Jakeem's "I am!" Teenage crushes - the best!
The Ultrahumanite was a very effective and scary villain in the previous episode. Here... a little undermined by monologuing. The classic villain blunder. He could have won if he just didn't need to gloat.
Cameron's mum dying. Darkly hilarious with Wildcat's response of "I didn't do it!" Which makes sense after how traumatised she was from killing Brainwave's son. Also, she really didn't do it, more or less. The woman basically dropped a car on her own head.
I like how well written this season was on the whole in that it put the conceit right out there in the season title and still got away with the surprise. You look at "Frenemies" at the start of every single episode and you think it's about Enemies as friends / on your side. And it is - but there's another side to the coin. The "friend" turned out to be the enemy just as much. Right there the whole time.
I'll miss the show. It's had some great highlights and I feel a little sad that they couldn't go out with slightly more of a bang but they gave everyone the ending they deserved. Well, Artemis gave someone the ending they deserve.
If our movies and our TV shows are to be filled with comic book heroes, lets have them be unashamed of what they are like Stargirl. Not wallowing in irony or clinging to realism in a sea of critics.
"It never ends".
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HBO Max finally added season three so I watched it over the last few days.
It's a great regular season, but I think only a good final season. Honestly, I feel like it was originally meant to end pretty dark - like a sort of Empire Strikes Back thing - and then everything would get resolved in season four. Like you had Rick addicted to his powers, Yolanda & Beth alienated from their parents... and then the last twenty minutes of the finale basically goes, "oh, yeah, they solved all that stuff.", and I don't even think they really wrapped up Cindy's plot. The Crocks were probably my favorite part of the season -- those murderous sociopaths trying to be regular people was great; a shame Artemis wasn't in it more, her straightforward alpha personality would've been really great on the JSA. On the negative side of things, Courtney and Cameron's relationship felt too like a generic CW tween romance that you'd get in Flash or Arrow.
I'm also not convinced Sylvester was always meant to be Ultra-Humanite, the whole 'I get lost in my role' thing just feels like a very post-hoc explanation to explain away all the private moments he has that would've made no sense in hindsight. There's also the 'you're becoming a conduit for cosmic energy' plot point that gets abandoned that makes me think they had other plans in mind for Starman. That said, I did enjoy the plot (it's basically ripped straight from the JSA: Golden Age mini series by James Robinson, who was also a writer on the show, which I'd recommend reading; I'd also recommend Robinson's Starman series and Geoff Johns' JSA run, too, if you liked Stargirl) and think they ultimately pulled it off really well.
Definitely gonna miss the show. It was leagues beyond all the other CW DC shows in quality, and I'd even put it above all the DCEU movies, too. Would've also have probably liked that Infinity, Inc spin-off they were obviously setting up.
It's a great regular season, but I think only a good final season. Honestly, I feel like it was originally meant to end pretty dark - like a sort of Empire Strikes Back thing - and then everything would get resolved in season four. Like you had Rick addicted to his powers, Yolanda & Beth alienated from their parents... and then the last twenty minutes of the finale basically goes, "oh, yeah, they solved all that stuff.", and I don't even think they really wrapped up Cindy's plot. The Crocks were probably my favorite part of the season -- those murderous sociopaths trying to be regular people was great; a shame Artemis wasn't in it more, her straightforward alpha personality would've been really great on the JSA. On the negative side of things, Courtney and Cameron's relationship felt too like a generic CW tween romance that you'd get in Flash or Arrow.
I'm also not convinced Sylvester was always meant to be Ultra-Humanite, the whole 'I get lost in my role' thing just feels like a very post-hoc explanation to explain away all the private moments he has that would've made no sense in hindsight. There's also the 'you're becoming a conduit for cosmic energy' plot point that gets abandoned that makes me think they had other plans in mind for Starman. That said, I did enjoy the plot (it's basically ripped straight from the JSA: Golden Age mini series by James Robinson, who was also a writer on the show, which I'd recommend reading; I'd also recommend Robinson's Starman series and Geoff Johns' JSA run, too, if you liked Stargirl) and think they ultimately pulled it off really well.
Definitely gonna miss the show. It was leagues beyond all the other CW DC shows in quality, and I'd even put it above all the DCEU movies, too. Would've also have probably liked that Infinity, Inc spin-off they were obviously setting up.
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Just finished up Episode 10, excessively late to things I know. Should finish the rest this weekend.
Credit to the writers, I was certain they would lack the balls to do what they did but I was proven wrong.
Or more likely tonight at this point. Weird coincidence my phone as the same cover as Barbara's in episode 11.
I am also not spoilering the fact that Barbara has a phone cover.
Very much sounds like the actor for Artemis properly committed to that scream. Exceedingly raw noise.
Episode 12 "I made myself a victim" is a great line I suspect we'll see reused in one form over another over the next decade. More importantly that they have Courtney use none super stuff as the examples for Pat really shows they nailed the family aspect of the story.
Episode 13 "Why won't Stripesy die" is a great line. Unfortunately does not balance out killing ice granny so horrifically.
That said I'm 100% on board with most of these final conflicts.
Was going to try to edit in other things but the thread seems to be shitting itself likely because the site is furiously refreshing looking for things on fire. May end up double posting.
Credit to the writers, I was certain they would lack the balls to do what they did but I was proven wrong.
Or more likely tonight at this point. Weird coincidence my phone as the same cover as Barbara's in episode 11.
I am also not spoilering the fact that Barbara has a phone cover.
Very much sounds like the actor for Artemis properly committed to that scream. Exceedingly raw noise.
Episode 12 "I made myself a victim" is a great line I suspect we'll see reused in one form over another over the next decade. More importantly that they have Courtney use none super stuff as the examples for Pat really shows they nailed the family aspect of the story.
Episode 13 "Why won't Stripesy die" is a great line. Unfortunately does not balance out killing ice granny so horrifically.
That said I'm 100% on board with most of these final conflicts.
Was going to try to edit in other things but the thread seems to be shitting itself likely because the site is furiously refreshing looking for things on fire. May end up double posting.
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After finally watching the whole series, I was both happy and sad with the series finale. I also think it wrapped up a number of character arcs quickly, like @Tor Lugosi stated, when they could have been done in a fourth season. Plus showing that Sylvester's brain in one of Dragon King's lairs would probably have been a set up for a hypothetical next season (man, it was heartbreaking to hear that last words from Sylvester was him asking what happened to Pat). Also, the epilogue with The Shade really made me disappointed the show was over. There was both finding Sylvester's brain and rescuing the Seven Soldiers of Victory from The Nebula Man, which could have filled two more seasons.
Ultra-Humanite was great additional villain. Given I was introduced to him in the Justice League animated series, where he was presented as a cultured and sophisticated, the personality of the Stargirl version really fit the tone of the show.
Ultra-Humanite was great additional villain. Given I was introduced to him in the Justice League animated series, where he was presented as a cultured and sophisticated, the personality of the Stargirl version really fit the tone of the show.
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Very similar feelings. I'm really glad to see there are a number of other people who really appreciated this show. It's much more family-friendly than a lot of media that is popular here, even though it's weirdly dark at the same time. So it makes me happy to see it's well-received.
I'm inclined to agree that some of it was a little rushed and if they'd had a fourth season it would have been better. But a slightly weak end to this show is still better than the end to most others. And they got some great moments in like Artemis' mini epilogue. It would have been so good to see more of her. If there'd been a Season 4 I'm sure she'd have been given a lot more screentime. I feel for the actress who was a little cheated but if it's a consolation she was great in what she did. Always leave the audience wanting more!
My only exposure to Ultrahumanite was the Christmas episode of the Batman cartoon where he makes the children's toy. So this version was absolutely horrifying. A true psychopath in how he could immerse himself in a role so much he almost lost himself and yet still be a killer.