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XYZpdq said:
I would assume that the material was property of the studio it was developed for, like that work for hire comic stuff or whatever.
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I wouldn't unless there's paper actually proving it. I mean, there should be, there usually would be, but these people are scum.
 
Miller said:
If I'm not mistaken, Trekyards got Pierre Drolet a couple of times on their channel to talk about his work on BSG/Caprica, Enterprise and STD but I doubt that he would talk about the actual behind-the-scenes stuff on STD. That said, I too would like to know what it's like to work for a science-fiction show where science and logic are totally ignored by the producers and showrunners. The people who are in charge of [current year] Trek think that a ship is like a Tardis, that you can put whatever you want in it because "science fiction is like magic". I bet they know that starships can't have elevators on a roller coaster but they don't care, they double-down (see the latest Short Trek where they showed the engine room of the Enteprise apparently from the "TOS" era).
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The thing with Drexler I'm refering too specifically is the whole Akiraprise bullshit, but also the nerd rage that occurred when they had a regular Klingon battlecruiser show up in ENT.

Emails and communications with the designers afterwards really helped to smooth things over. The sentiment was basically "Yeah, shit's fucked, we did our best to get it done on time." and frankly I appreciated that kind of honestly.

With Discovery we're seeing a lot of horrible descisions nobody likes, and I just desperately wish for that insider take again to show us that the dream is still alive. There have got to be some hard fucking workers behind that show who are chaffing against the dumb orders from on high. I'd love to hear from them in even a friendly manner kind of like how the VFX crew of Enterprise communicated with everyone, but it feels like its just not possible with the current corporate laws.

Then again, I'm surprised some soulless marketing executive hasn't taken advantage of that idea and turned it into something that makes me want to fucking blow my brains out.
 
Miller said:
The Discovery doesn't fit into that timeline, the shapes are too sharp and simple, it's a pizza cutter and once you start looking inside, it gets worse, way worse (turbolifts on roller coaster, holograms, any room can become a holodeck, huge empty space between each deck, the space mushroom drive, etc.).
I've seen people (including RLM) try to defend the art style, saying that "no one will watch a show in 2019 made with cheesy sets and lighting like on The Original Series". My answer is always: "then why make a prequel set 5 years before TOS?".
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Star Trek repeatedly shown that era done with modern sets, and lightning not unlike WWII movies made in the 50ies, 60ies, 70ies, 80ies, 90ies, 00ies, and 10ies while still retaining the same 1930ies-40ies look and feel of that time period.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Star Trek repeatedly shown that era done with modern sets, and lightning not unlike WWII movies made in the 50ies, 60ies, 70ies, 80ies, 90ies, 00ies, and 10ies while still retaining the same 1930ies-40ies look and feel of that time period.
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Enterprise, for all its faults, also showed us the set in modern time and the truth is it looked fucking glorious :


Like shit dude. Change the lighting a little, move a few screens around, and it still looks great. It doesn't need to be "updated" because, think about it, do you know what any of those buttons do? In real life navy ships they actually do have light-up buttons and stuff because that kind of thing helps when the fucking lights snap out.

Its honestly not a weirder version of the future than any other. Are touch screens a good idea on a military vessel? Holoscreens? Would they be better or worse than the feedback of real buttons? Point is, "updated" is just an opinion. The idea that anything "needs" to be updated is definitely one thing: an opinion. An opinion of someone. Someone in charge. Someone with descision power.

As much as I want to yell "Bring me their head!" i mainly just want some damn explanations.
 
Miller said:
I've seen people (including RLM) try to defend the art style, saying that "no one will watch a show in 2019 made with cheesy sets and lighting like on The Original Series". My answer is always: "then why make a prequel set 5 years before TOS?".
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meanwhile orville has good numbers while it's basically old trek in design and almost everything else. which just shows how many people are idiots (including RLM, which are way to eager to handwave criticism as "internet nerd outrage", when it was the same spergy outrage that put then on the map in the first place).

L50LasPak said:
Enterprise, for all its faults, also showed us the set in modern time and the truth is it looked fucking glorious :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wrXek1nEtrk:75
Like shit dude. Change the lighting a little, move a few screens around, and it still looks great. It doesn't need to be "updated" because, think about it, do you know what any of those buttons do? In real life navy ships they actually do have light-up buttons and stuff because that kind of thing helps when the fucking lights snap out.

Its honestly not a weirder version of the future than any other. Are touch screens a good idea on a military vessel? Holoscreens? Would they be better or worse than the feedback of real buttons? Point is, "updated" is just an opinion. The idea that anything "needs" to be updated is definitely one thing: an opinion. An opinion of someone. Someone in charge. Someone with descision power.

As much as I want to yell "Bring me their head!" i mainly just want some damn explanations.
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fun fact, if you play bridge crew the TOS bridge has dimmed lightning, making it more in line with the MUH DARK & GRITTY than even the ENT parts. there's simply zero reason to "update" shit when even small changes can have big effect (which would come down to competence tho, something nutrek lacks).

as for holoscreens, isn't even the us navy going back to bits & bobs instead of screens? I also advice anyone to try bridge crew at least once, especially the TOS bridge. holoscreens would be an improvement - or captions alone.

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a picture says more than a thousand words (sadly it only shows the captain's chair, not the other stations which are literally colored gumdrops unless you enable button captions)
 
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It’s been announced that Noah Hawley, who created the great Fargo television adaptation, is writing and directing the next Star Trek film, which will be a sequel to the three movies starring Chris Pine, who is returning. Don’t know how Hawley’s skills will translate to Trek, but it could be pretty great if he pulls it off. The Tarantino Trek is also still in development.
 
Someone in a Tree said:
It’s been announced that Noah Hawley, who created the great Fargo television adaptation, is writing and directing the next Star Trek film, which will be a sequel to the three movies starring Chris Pine, who is returning. Don’t know how Hawley’s skills will translate to Trek, but it could be pretty great if he pulls it off. The Tarantino Trek is also still in development.
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That guy is the king of excess, of form over function. I don't know if I've seen anything more self-indulgent and vapid than that last season of Legion. Terrible writing and direction, but wow it were pretty. The last two seasons of Fargo were pretty shite as well. Both had great starts, then crashed and burned most spectacularly towards the end. Dude is not good with endings, that's for sure.

At least his casting is quality.

I'm not fond of this move at all, but as long as there's no JJ or Kurtzman, etc. then there might be hope.

Oh crap, he's writing it? Yeah, there's no hope to be had here. He's too up-his-own-ass Hollywood to offer anything decent.

J.J. Abrams’ Bad Robot will return to produce
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The knife in Trek's guts continue to turn.
 
ZMOT said:
meanwhile orville has good numbers while it's basically old trek in design and almost everything else. which just shows how many people are idiots (including RLM, which are way to eager to handwave criticism as "internet nerd outrage", when it was the same spergy outrage that put then on the map in the first place).



fun fact, if you play bridge crew the TOS bridge has dimmed lightning, making it more in line with the MUH DARK & GRITTY than even the ENT parts. there's simply zero reason to "update" shit when even small changes can have big effect (which would come down to competence tho, something nutrek lacks).

as for holoscreens, isn't even the us navy going back to bits & bobs instead of screens? I also advice anyone to try bridge crew at least once, especially the TOS bridge. holoscreens would be an improvement - or captions alone.

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a picture says more than a thousand words (sadly it only shows the captain's chair, not the other stations which are literally colored gumdrops unless you enable button captions)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JNQBsJrYWKA
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While admittedly "Captain, Your ship is fucking fixed."

Probably added a few years to my life, my point was that in reality a lot of buttons on navy ships and stuff don't actually have labels. So in a way the original TOS enterprise is more true-to-life than most people think. This was even a scene in Wrath of Khan now that I think of it, which oddly mirrors the VR perspective.

"Where's the override? THE OVERRIDE?"
Buttons aren't labeled in the movie either. Fire.


Sometimes Star Trek feels like a damn prophecy being fulfilled, I swear.
 
AnOminous said:
It sounds like they don't have much in the way of ethics for not stealing intellectual property, like the tardigrades guy. After all, why pay for stuff when you can just steal it instead? Very woke.
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How hard would it have been to just not make the creature a tardigrade? How about... a green ghostly octopus creature that partially exists in subspace. There, I saved you a lawsuit.

In the Star Wars thread Marvel artists have been tracing over fanmade spaceship models without any credit. Why do these woke artists steal so blatantly and unapologetically?

L50LasPak said:
The thing with Drexler I'm refering too specifically is the whole Akiraprise bullshit, but also the nerd rage that occurred when they had a regular Klingon battlecruiser show up in ENT.

Emails and communications with the designers afterwards really helped to smooth things over. The sentiment was basically "Yeah, shit's fucked, we did our best to get it done on time." and frankly I appreciated that kind of honestly.
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I wish the ships in Enterprise had looked like the ones in Masao Okazaki's Starfleet Museum, with tower-style decks and a chunky submarine aesthetic.
 
Smarmy advarticle incoming:
Star Trek: Discovery stars a number of women of color. Can you tell me about the conversation behind that?

McNamara: We certainly feel that it's important to reflect the culture on our service. And that's not just altruistic, although it is a good and important thing. It's also good business. You really want to reach people in a way that feels specific in terms of characters and story telling.

Kurtzman: About three years ago when, when CBS asked me to consider doing another Star Trek, my first instinct was: it's got to be a woman and it's got to be a woman of color. I'm not interested in having another male captain. We made that very clear and a condition of our involvement and Julie was immediately supportive of it. And one thing I remember very clearly was, um, we were still casting the morning Trump was elected and somehow in the casting conversation this question came up like, okay, do we have to reconsider this? And we doubled down and said, this is exactly why we have to do this right now. And for me personally, I have a harder time writing men—that's the truth. I don't know why. It's always been the case.
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Found JJ's Reddit account:
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Eh even on Trek discussion boards that have purged dissent are full on "Discovery is the best thing ever" it's all for show. 99% of the discussions end up back talking about TOS and 90s Trek. Same deal with its reddit sub. You have to go 4-5 pages in to find a single thread discussing any character or plot point from STD, and the thread always fizzles out after a few comments. There is no lively discussion or debate. It's completely unremarkable.

Then it's back to the same old topics that fans actually care about. Even the ones that defend Discovery don't want to actually talk about STD, they just want to signal that they have the correct opinion on the stunning and brave and diverse STD... then make another thread to talk about the Star Trek series they actually watch more than once.
 
los pepes said:
Eh even on Trek discussion boards that have purged dissent are full on "Discovery is the best thing ever" it's all for show. 99% of the discussions end up back talking about TOS and 90s Trek. Same deal with its reddit sub. You have to go 4-5 pages in to find a single thread discussing any character or plot point from STD, and the thread always fizzles out after a few comments. There is no lively discussion or debate. It's completely unremarkable.
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I've heard that at TrekBBS some of them wanted to ban any discussion related to The Orville. Perhaps I don't know the internet well enough but it seems like there are very few places where you can talk about Trek and be critical of the shit that is made by Bad Robot/Secret Hideout. Even on Youtube, outside of Nitpicking Nerd, Doomcock, Midnight's Edge (I don't like the After Dark crew) and a couple of other channels, I don't see a lot of people having a negative opinion on STD.
Then it's back to the same old topics that fans actually care about. Even the ones that defend Discovery don't want to actually talk about STD, they just want to signal that they have the correct opinion on the stunning and brave and diverse STD... then make another thread to talk about the Star Trek series they actually watch more than once.
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I don't know why they're defending the JJ/Kurtzman era of Trek. What do the STD "fans" love about that show or its universe?
 
Shitassdeaddude said:
As long as they come up with some in-story reason for him to look old instead of covering his face with shit like they're doing with Brent Spiner.
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They may not have to. John looks pretty good for his age. Just throw some dye in his hair and we're good. (And of course, Q did appear old to mock Picard in All Good Things.)

Thing about nuTrek, I've attended some real life discussions and it's usually about how good the story is.

But then what? Some of us debate the merits (i have a friend who insists he would tolerate STD far more if it was post-voyager) but on the whole... it's just shallow.

Everyone seems to make Trek more shallow than it should be. For example, you ALWAYS hear about how Kirk kissed Urhura. But what was the rest of the episode? What was the plot? What did it tell us?

They're missing the forest for the bushes. Compare Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (the "racism is bad" TOS episode) to Duet (the "racism is bad" DS9 episode). One everybody brings up but nobody really remembers because it doesn't have any depth to it. The DS9 episode however... that is one that sticks with you. It has heart and weight to it.

STD is the cargo cult Trek show. "Oh let's have a woman of color lead it!" Ok.

Now what?

What do you have to say? What's the stories about? What are you examining?

"Uh... Look at the black woman."
 
Flexo said:
They're missing the forest for the bushes. Compare Let That Be Your Last Battlefield (the "racism is bad" TOS episode) to Duet (the "racism is bad" DS9 episode). One everybody brings up but nobody really remembers because it doesn't have any depth to it. The DS9 episode however... that is one that sticks with you. It has heart and weight to it.
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I like Duet a lot - I'd definitely place it in a top 10 Trek episodes - but to really be fair, the episode plot is almost beat-for-beat taken from an older drama film called The Man in the Glass Booth.
 
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