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L50LasPak said:
Yeah my mind went straight to the Franz Joseph one.

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This thing has to be one of the earliest examples of an overpowered OC ship design in a sci-fi franchise. Something about it still seems to fascinate people though. If you ask me the Excelsior was basically the death of this thing, though in practice every time an Excelsior goes into battle on Star Trek it always gets its ass whipped.

The one in the book is fucking ridiculous though. It can project copies of itself that can simulate damage and take on a bunch of battlecruisers single-handedly. Its also astonishingly ugly.

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So that's where they got the idea for the future enterprise D. So all Good Things is just about Q's fanfic, eh?

Makes sense.

EDIT: adding citation
 
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PreferredPenne said:
I always thought Excelsior was a butt-ugly ship. That dumpy little neck makes it look like a tugboat or something.
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It looks like if the neck could stretch, like an accordion.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Excelsior and Ambassador class necks were far better than the paper sheet thin necks of the Constitution pre and post refits.
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Its weird how perfect the Constitution feels, like any attempt to improve on it almost always just looks weird. I fucking love Andy Probert and everything he comes up with, but the refit also has that strange feeling of "Meh, I dunno" about it. The original Constitution actually feels like something that might fly in space, since spacecraft irl are really thin and delicate. I can see why Matt Jefferies was so arrogant about his design, because it really is kind of perfect and every subsequent attempt to modify it just doesn't hit the mark.
 
L50LasPak said:
Its weird how perfect the Constitution feels, like any attempt to improve on it almost always just looks weird. I fucking love Andy Probert and everything he comes up with, but the refit also has that strange feeling of "Meh, I dunno" about it. The original Constitution actually feels like something that might fly in space, since spacecraft irl are really thin and delicate. I can see why Matt Jefferies was so arrogant about his design, because it really is kind of perfect and every subsequent attempt to modify it just doesn't hit the mark.
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The shape of Constitution is perfect but how thin the neck is triggers my autism when figuring out the internal layout of that part of the ship. Connie is still infinitely better than Galaxy with the questionable placement of the impluse engine and primary torpedo launcher right where the Galaxy's neck is the thinnest.
 
Uranus Pink said:
The shape of Constitution is perfect but how thin the neck is triggers my autism when figuring out the internal layout of that part of the ship. Connie is still infinitely better than Galaxy with the questionable placement of the impluse engine and primary torpedo launcher right where the Galaxy's neck is the thinnest.
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Jefferies is to blame for the torpedo launcher in the neck, its in his Phase II design. For some reason, that stuck. Probert did it for the refit, then they kept it for the Galaxy. Weird thing for nerds to hold on to.
 
I dunno... it kind of makes a certain amount of sense that you want the part expelling explosive ordinance from the ship in a position where it has the least amount of crew surrounding it.

Especially as weapons systems would probably be high priority targets in a battle.
 
Flexo said:
I dunno... it kind of makes a certain amount of sense that you want the part expelling explosive ordinance from the ship in a position where it has the least amount of crew surrounding it.

Especially as weapons systems would probably be high priority targets in a battle.
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While that's true, it would also easily snap the ship's neck, in case it blew up...
Then again, it's not a battleship, so that's not as big a deal.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
While that's true, it would also easily snap the ship's neck, in case it blew up...
Then again, it's not a battleship, so that's not as big a deal.
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I don't think so with the way the galaxy's neck fans out towards the back.

Of course all of them are just bitches compared to the USS Ben-Sisko's-Motherfucking-Pimp-Hand. (Later shortened to "defiant")
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
While that's true, it would also easily snap the ship's neck, in case it blew up...
Then again, it's not a battleship, so that's not as big a deal.
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In some set of design notes Roddenberry had the idea that the neck could be detached with some kind of scuttling charge if the stardrive was too heavily damaged. This later became the saucer separation for the Galaxy. Which in retrospect did end up being kind of pointless.
 
ZMOT said:
mainly due to production costs I think. getting all the families etc into the saucer and to safety isn't the worst concept (and used once or twice).
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It never really made much sense with Star Trek's logic. Phasers are supposed to basically be a giant death ray that you can dump all of the ship's power into. Splitting the ship up into pieces like the Galaxy or Prometheus seems kind of pointless with that logic. Though, to the writers' credit, they did mention exactly this problem in Best of Both Worlds, which also had an actual giant death ray come to think of it.
 
DS9's Second Battle of Chin'toka brutally brought the point home that escape pods are such easy targets if one decides to shoot them. A giant escape pod ala saucer section is just one huge target. The Prometheus despite being a bad idea did have each section capable of warp. If the Galaxy saucer section had it's own auxiliary warp core, propulsion system and was capable of warp to bug out of Dodge, then maybe the saucer separation would work.
 
Wait, did I really just hear that Wil "Shut up Wesley" Wheaton never bothered to watch DS9 before, but he will now because "his friend" (sure) Aron Eisenberg recently died?
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Star Trek's Wil Wheaton is Watching Deep Space Nine for the First TIme in Aron Eisenberg's Honor

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine star Aron Eisenberg died earlier this month at the age of 50. The actor [...]
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I bet he isn't even going to watch it now, he'll probably just say he did for the fake nerd points. Faggot.
 
Uranus Pink said:
DS9's Second Battle of Chin'toka brutally brought the point home that escape pods are such easy targets if one decides to shoot them. A giant escape pod ala saucer section is just one huge target. The Prometheus despite being a bad idea did have each section capable of warp. If the Galaxy saucer section had it's own auxiliary warp core, propulsion system and was capable of warp to bug out of Dodge, then maybe the saucer separation would work.
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Just to be that guy but the saucer section does have impulse engines on it. (Hence why Troi is able to fly away a little in Generations.)

The other difference between it and escape pods is that the saucer would have shields and weapons of it's own to extend survival time.

An interesting idea would be if they could have a single use emergency warp engine to get the saucer back into federation space...

Let's face it, families of the crew along for the ride? Maybe. Random families in general on board the ship? That was dumb. "Ok kids, we're having another Borg attack today so school is canceled and you all need to go to your shelters."
 
I wish Wheaton would just disappear from the Internet.
UnKillFill said:
I bet he isn't even going to watch it now, he'll probably just say he did for the fake nerd points. Faggot.
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Yeah that's what I think too.
Flexo said:
Let's face it, families of the crew along for the ride? Maybe. Random families in general on board the ship? That was dumb. "Ok kids, we're having another Borg attack today so school is canceled and you all need to go to your shelters."
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I've always hated the idea of families or civilians on a ship, even on a science ship you could end up in a life-threatening situation. That's also why I never really liked the Galaxy-class.
 
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Miller said:
I've always hated the idea of families or civilians on a ship, even on a science ship you could end up in a life-threatening situation. That's also why I never really liked the Galaxy-class.
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In retrospect the Galaxy seemed like it was really trying to go for the Flying City idea. That EC Henry sperg did a video on the sheer scale of this thing:


I have a middling opinion on this guy's content but this video really made me think. What would it be like being a little kid and growing up exclusively in such a huge, artifical environment? I also always found those huge hallways of the Galaxy creepy, like walking through an empty office building in the dead of night. Yesterday's Enterprise made the Galaxy look a lot less cold and sterile by just turning the lights down.
 
Flexo said:
The other difference between it and escape pods is that the saucer would have shields and weapons of it's own to extend survival time.
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while also having the lower section on your ass feeding you torpedoes. separation also doesn't necessarily mean in combat, even as back as farpoint they separated long before shit got real.

Flexo said:
Let's face it, families of the crew along for the ride? Maybe. Random families in general on board the ship? That was dumb. "Ok kids, we're having another Borg attack today so school is canceled and you all need to go to your shelters."
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iirc galaxy class wasn't an exploration ship and mostly stayed in federation territory (but ofc had incredible things happen every week because plot - but even ignoring that most of the time shit was mundane af inbetween (seriously, play a scanning mission in bridge crew and you'll know what I mean) and it was peacetime, which has different operating procedures etc. plus the federation isn't militaristic or wanted to portray that image. flying around with civilians on your flagship enforces that.
the galaxy class could also wreck some serious shit, risk of someone coming along and managing to blow it up was quite low - borgs for example weren't a thing back when they came up with it.

L50LasPak said:
what would it be like being a little kid and growing up exclusively in such a huge, artifical environment? I also always found those huge hallways of the Galaxy creepy, like walking through an empty office building in the dead of night. Yesterday's Enterprise made the Galaxy look a lot less cold and sterile by just turning the lights down.
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probably a lot of holodeck time and no post is forever, personal gets promoted and moves etc. so you won't spend your whole life on the ship as a "federation brat".

most offices turn the lights down at night tho. but I think it's partly due to 80s/90s scifi "vision" and trying to make it literal a "bright" future for TV. personally I find the sterile applestore-look of jjtrek worse, it just feels too much form over function.
 
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