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Looks like the film and tv rights to Star Trek are about to go back under one roof.
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CBS, Viacom Reach Tentative Deal on Team to Lead Combined Company

CBS and Viacom reached a working agreement on the management team of a combined company, with CBS acting chief Joe Ianniello to oversee all of CBS branded assets and Viacom boss Bob Bakish to become CEO.
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Tarantino should NEVER do an adaptation.
He would fuck it up.
Whenever you listen to the pop culture ramblings in his movies, you can tell that he doesn't understand a lot of IPs.
Like when Bill in Kill Bill said that Clark Kent is the alter ego and a way for Superman to portray the way he sees humanity... even though he was raised from infancy by American farmers as Clark and Superman was created by him decades later.
He would destroy the characters and the lore.
People would start hating him after that movie. I'm talking about Rian Johnson x 100.
 
Bill was kind of an idiot when it came to understanding humanity. It was his whole gimmick outside of his business life.

Otherwise I'm kind of with you where I don't really want to see a Tarantino Star trek. At least not a future film. Let him do an episode of one of the shows or something.
 
Godzilla@1989 said:
You know, ten years later and Star Trek 2009 has had no cultural impact.
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I mean.. I see your point, but was it ever realistic to expect that it *would* have a cultural impact? Yes, I know there are some remakes that have managed to surpass the originals, but never has one done so by dumbing down the original product into a big dumb Hollywood Summer blockbuster, which Star Trek 2009 objectively did... (Even if I did find myself enjoying it at the time.)
 
Idiotron said:
Tarantino should NEVER do an adaptation.
He would fuck it up.
Whenever you listen to the pop culture ramblings in his movies, you can tell that he doesn't understand a lot of IPs.
Like when Bill in Kill Bill said that Clark Kent is the alter ego and a way for Superman to portray the way he sees humanity... even though he was raised from infancy by American farmers as Clark and Superman was created by him decades later.
He would destroy the characters and the lore.
People would start hating him after that movie. I'm talking about Rian Johnson x 100.
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werewolf rape erotica said:
Honestly? I think I'd like to see Tarantino do a Star Trek movie just to see how big of an absolute fucking trainwreck it would be.
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They already did a movie where they handed the Star Trek franchise to an edgy rebel. Its called Wrath of Khan.

Amongst all the other fucked up stuff in that movie, Nicholas Meyer wanted Spock's death scene with that final shot of Kirk slumped against the glass to be the last fucking shot of the movie. He also wanted the makeup on Spock's face to be even more gruesome and gory with blue-green blood leaking all over the place, and essentially both Nimoy and the producers shut him down and told him that was just too much. Bear in mind this is already a movie with a horrorific scene of a parasite burrowing into people's ears as they scream in agony, the bridge of the Enterprise gets showered in what looks like dangerous pyrotechnics, the villain hangs a bunch of innocent scientists up like the Predator after he cuts their throats (confirmed by dialogue), a guy violently committing suicide using the loudest and most threatening phaser design in Star Trek history, said parasite burrowing out of another person's head with a big gout of blood, and the villain gets half his face blown off. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, one more: "He stayed at his post, while the trainees all ran!" Its also the only movie I can think of where Scotty swears (If you listen closely during the attack sequence, you can hear "Use your respirators god damnit!")

The Star Trek franchise has been trying to reproduce the success of Wrath of Khan for decades at this point. If anyone can do it, its probably Tarantino. If his version fails, Nicholas Meyer can go down in history as the guy who made the movie that it is impossible to remake/reboot successfully.
 
Dom Cruise said:
lmao, could you imagine if the movie really ended that way?
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A little. You can just hit the pause button and sit in silence for a minute just before the shot switches over to the torpedo coming down. Its obviously not the same thing but it did kind of bother me a little when I tried it. I also imagine the credits would have had to play over a really somber version of the Spock theme from that movie which probably would have just left people with a bad taste in their mouths afterwards. The existing ending credits theme is a little too upbeat for what was originally planned.
 
Godzilla@1989 said:
You know, ten years later and Star Trek 2009 has had no cultural impact.
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In terms of what it brought to the table as a work of art Star Trek 09 had all the impact of a light breeze.
In terms of being part of the first wave of what we now call "Nerd Culture" Trek 09 was very significant.
Interesting and provoking dialogue being replaced by "witty" quips and banter. Flashy big shit go boom spectacle over ideas and thought.
A hollow and soulless product made for every imbecile and "I know what that is!" addled normie.
In that regard Trek 09 was a deeply impactful movie for all the wrong reasons. :drink:
 
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Locomotive Derangement said:
...Nicholas Meyer wanted Spock's death scene with that final shot of Kirk slumped against the glass to be the last fucking shot of the movie. ...
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I'm curious where you heard that. As I understand it the movie played out the way Meyer wanted it to with the exception of the final shot on the Genesis planet showing The Torpedo/Coffin (which was supposedly added after a test screening). I get the impression the funeral scene followed by the Kirk "I feel young" scene was how Meyer intended the movie to end. Still somber but not as bad as ending it with Kirk slumped over in the engine room.
 
BR55 said:
Interesting and provoking dialogue being replaced by "witty" quips and banter. Flashy big shit go boom spectacle over ideas and thought.
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The sad part is the Star Trek series and films had lots of witty banter that tended to work pretty well on a regular basis, while Star Trek 09 just had the dialogue of a superhero flick. Its also worth noting that some of the biggest spectacle moment in the original movies were things like the Enterprise backing up or a ship just flying by in glorious detail. Now everthing have to be a fucking mess and you can barely see any of it. If I worked on the CGI for anything in the new movies, I'd be pissed since the ships are barely visible at non-motion blurr speed.
 
BR55 said:
In terms of what it brought to the table as a work of art Star Trek 09 had all the impact of a light breeze.
In terms of being part of the first wave of what we now call "Nerd Culture" Trek 09 was very significant.
Interesting and provoking dialogue being replaced by "witty" quips and banter. Flashy big shit go boom spectacle over ideas and thought.
A hollow and soulless product made for every imbecile and "I know what that is!" addled normie.
In that regard Trek 09 was deeply impactful movie for all the wrong reasons. :drink:
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Right, it's pretty much been the model for the Hollywood blockbuster ever since.
 
Locomotive Derangement said:
The sad part is the Star Trek series and films had lots of witty banter that tended to work pretty well on a regular basis, while Star Trek 09 just had the dialogue of a superhero flick. Its also worth noting that some of the biggest spectacle moment in the original movies were things like the Enterprise backing up or a ship just flying by in glorious detail. Now everthing have to be a fucking mess and you can barely see any of it. If I worked on the CGI for anything in the new movies, I'd be pissed since the ships are barely visible at non-motion blurr speed.
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Hers the thing.
There is nothing wrong with Marvel style quips and banter.
There is nothing wrong with spectacle.
There is nothing inherently wrong with capeshit or dumbed down New Trek style "Sci Fi".
But...You need to have more than just spectacle and quips. In both your movies and your movie industry.
The problem being that Hollywood has been doing nothing but putting out capeshit and New Trek style fluff for the past 10-15 years.
Like where are the Noir movies? Crime Movies? Thrillers? Fantasy?
There is so little diversity in our AAA culture right now and that's why everything just feels so samey and irrelevant.
 
GloryHole Stalker said:
I'm curious where you heard that. As I understand it the movie played out the way Meyer wanted it to with the exception of the final shot on the Genesis planet showing The Torpedo/Coffin (which was supposedly added after a test screening). I get the impression the funeral scene followed by the Kirk "I feel young" scene was how Meyer intended the movie to end. Still somber but not as bad as ending it with Kirk slumped over in the engine room.
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This is a little complicated but if you go through the commentary Meyer did on the movie he alludes to the the fact that he had a lot of more controversial ideas in the script that didn't made it into the movie or were modified on the fly and the actors and producers began to realize what they had on their hands. Even the famous "He's not really dead, as long as we remember him." was sort of added at the last minute by Meyer's testimony. The script went through constant rewrites and Meyer apparently wrote the final version of it in less than a month. While Meyer at the beginning wanted to end the movie on the shot of Kirk slumped over and hopeless, by his later admission he says he changed that when it became clear the cast started believeing in what they were working on.

He did really hate the idea of literally bringing Spock back though, and he mentions in the commentary that while he was willing to come back to the franchise, he refused to have anything to do with the movie where they bring Spock back. True to his word he came back for both Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country.

The makeup thing might be a rumor brought on by that famous production photo of him next to Ricardo Montalban, but if I recall correctly it was something Meyer thought he could get away with because the blood was going to be green and not red. I'll see if I can dig something more concrete up later, but that's the gist of it. Either way I implore you to check out the Director's Cut version that has Meyer's commentary over it. There are actually two sets of commentary, one in text as subtitles and another with him just talking, and they actually differ quite substantially sometimes. The text commentary was made first I think.
 
Idiotron said:
Tarantino should NEVER do an adaptation.
He would fuck it up.
Whenever you listen to the pop culture ramblings in his movies, you can tell that he doesn't understand a lot of IPs.
Like when Bill in Kill Bill said that Clark Kent is the alter ego and a way for Superman to portray the way he sees humanity... even though he was raised from infancy by American farmers as Clark and Superman was created by him decades later.
He would destroy the characters and the lore.
People would start hating him after that movie. I'm talking about Rian Johnson x 100.
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I think it could be fun, just don't have any pretenses of it being part of any canon and let it stand on its own. The characters and lore are getting destroyed since 2009 (arguably earlier), at least Tarintino would do it in style.
 
Locomotive Derangement said:
This is a little complicated but if you go through the commentary Meyer did on the movie he alludes to the the fact that he had a lot of more controversial ideas in the script that didn't made it into the movie or were modified on the fly and the actors and producers began to realize what they had on their hands. Even the famous "He's not really dead, as long as we remember him." was sort of added at the last minute by Meyer's testimony. The script went through constant rewrites and Meyer apparently wrote the final version of it in less than a month. While Meyer at the beginning wanted to end the movie on the shot of Kirk slumped over and hopeless, by his later admission he says he changed that when it became clear the cast started believeing in what they were working on.

He did really hate the idea of literally bringing Spock back though, and he mentions in the commentary that while he was willing to come back to the franchise, he refused to have anything to do with the movie where they bring Spock back. True to his word he came back for both Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country.

The makeup thing might be a rumor brought on by that famous production photo of him next to Ricardo Montalban, but if I recall correctly it was something Meyer thought he could get away with because the blood was going to be green and not red. I'll see if I can dig something more concrete up later, but that's the gist of it. Either way I implore you to check out the Director's Cut version that has Meyer's commentary over it. There are actually two sets of commentary, one in text as subtitles and another with him just talking, and they actually differ quite substantially sometimes. The text commentary was made first I think.
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If Spock is Half Human-Half Vulcan and has Green Blood does that mean regular Vulcans have different blood?
 
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