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TNG takes place 60 years after TOS. Some minor differences are to be expected. But also... it was a change made for the TOS movies, not TNG.
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TNG takes place 60 years after TOS. Some minor differences are to be expected. But also... it was a change made for the TOS movies, not TNG.
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I completely forgot they did that with the TOS movies, shame on me. Still, it's kind of distracting and I think there's some story about a genetic disease that supposedly explains the difference in looks between the TOS Klingons and the later versions... frankly, if I had to come up with an explanation, I'd base it around some genetic engineering of more human looking Klingons (while the true Klingons look like they do in TNG) for some nefarious plan, like a failed attempt to get Klingon spies into the Federation. And when that failed, the genetically engineered Klingons were just send out to fight off Kirk and cause mayhem in the neutral zone.
Be that as it may, this marks the second time ST wastes a great opportunity. ENT could have been a glorious show about the early Starfleet and Federation, but it's kind of uninspired. Many characters feel recycled from older shows (such as that Doctor, that always reminded me of a mere Neelix-Clone).
Now, we could have had a show that explores the origins of a conflict between the Starfleet and the Klingons and what we get is a show with terrible characters, lore-breaking nonsense technology (and that is saying a lot in a franchise like ST) and writers that are more concerned with ticking off boxes in the tumblr-woke-blueprint than actually writing a good episode.
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Ackchyually it went from this (Enterprise):Sure, they went from this:
to the ugly Klingorcs for no reason.
The Kurtzman-canon says that the Klingons shave their heads when they're at war. That makes no sense of course since they're a warrior race who always look for a fight, also the STD Klingons did more than shave their heads, they grew 2 more nostrils.
It's also quite fascinating to see the characters (Saru especially) flip-flop to praise Burnham for being the smartest one despite them being right for not trusting her blindly.
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for a long time the transition from Space Mexicans to Forehead Aliens was actively not addressed, even in the time travel episode when the gang is with Worf and sees the TOS Klingons and they ask Worf, Worf just brushes it off with "We don't talk about it."
Pretty sure it was Ent that decided it needed an explanation.
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Even attempting to offer an explanation for why Klingons look different was a huge mistake since it set a precedent that gives an excuse for people to nitpick every visual update to fit it into "canon." Worf basically telling everyone to fuck off when they asked him about it should have been the end of it.
Every TOS movie had slightly different Klingon designs too.
Every TOS movie had slightly different Klingon designs too.
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The funniest thing about STD S2 was the producers' obvious panic over no one liking the nuKlingon design and deciding the best (and honestly at that point, the only) way to fix it was to just give them their hair back. I guess it made them look less shit and thankfully for them, the rest of the plot for the season was dumb enough to distract people from any more critisism towards the nuKlingons.
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The bald Klingons were Bryan Fuller's idea. The entire second season amounted to them jettisoning as many of his leftover concepts as they possibly could.
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The first episode of TNG (Which I just finished watching recently) is honestly more memorable and interesting than anything in Discovery. Its poorly lit and some of the acting is...ehh...But god damn if that isn't one hell of an entrance. I dont remember much about Discovery.
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As I've said before here and elsewhere, bad TNG is still distinctly Trek. I've er... sailed the high seas to find the first season of STD at least, and truth be told couldn't bring myself to give enough of a shit than to watch more than the first 2 episodes because of how *not* Trek it was.
Hell, after my recent rewatch of Enterprise, I can confirm that even that is clearly distinguishable as Trek compared to STD.
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I guess that's a good way of putting it. ENT is bad Star Trek, but STD is bad and it's not Star Trek.
And frankly, even though ENT was lackluster as fuck, STD gives me some appreciation for what they wanted to do. I assume they just played it too safe at times, didn't take many risks and went with a few bad ideas.
STD is to Trek what TLJ is to SW, it seems. Only not as repulsive in how it treats original characters (to my knowledge, at least).
The only sad thing about STD: It doesn't look all too bad. Had they just made it its own thing, it might have been not as bad. As a generic Sci-Fi series, it might even work.
If they had poured the same amount of care for design and so on into a show that looks, acts and feels more like Star Trek, it would have been fine as well. You can say what you want about STD, at least it looks nice and has nice sets. Too bad that work wasn't met with similar quality in any other department.
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I dunno, man. The way STD loved to bring up the tired old topic of "Sarek was kind of a shit dad" annoyed me. Especially since they pretty much added another person (Michael) to the list of people he has disappointed. It also doesn't paint his and Amanda's relationship in an especially good light, at times in S2 it felt like she very much resented their relationship, when just 10 years or so later, in Journey to Babel, she was very protective of Sarek, especially in front of Spock. It just kept reminding me how well TNG handled Sarek and Spock's relationship and especially the former's feelings towards the people he loved.
I'm also torn on STD's portrayal of Pike. The actor I liked a lot and in a perfect world, a show about him as the lead would've worked out pretty well. But he felt like an afterthought and there were so many moments where it became obvious he was just there to be overranked (!) by the superiour 230 IQ of Michael Burnham. They didn't do anything too horrible to his character (and granted, there wasn't too much to ruin considering we only saw non-crippled Pike in a single unaired pilot), but eh.
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True, and I'm still disappointed by that. I always liked SFDebris' idea that in the TOS/DS9 crossover episode, when the defiant went back in time, they should have just put Worf in the old Klingon makeup for the duration of the episode, then went back to his regular makeup when they returned to the present and NEVER had anyone on the show comment on anything. Just confirm that the whole thing was a running gag.
It's a shame because DS9 was great at that. Like Morn having a reputation for always talking - but we never heard a word from him on screen.
I'd watch a show with that actor as Pike.
But that brings up the other thing that bugs me about Burnham - the fact that she's better than Vulcans on their own planet. True, TOS turned them into a bit of a Mary Sue race, but based upon everything that we're told, even the smartest human on earth would have struggled to stay at the bottom of a Vulcan class. Much less the problems that a planet with thinner oxygen and heavier gravity would have given her physiological body. Burnham should have been an Iron Man suit just to survive for extended periods there. (Of course things fit with Amanda because Sarek being an ambassador would have reason to be off-world regularly and taking his wife with him.)
But no, rather than try and maintain the fig leaf of aliens being... aliens, the show just makes Burnham trans-species and confirms that the only thing separating humans from aliens is a makeup job.
What's worse is THAT could have been a compelling story - that Burnham had to struggle and claw her way through every day on Vulcan just to avoid being assigned to the short bus. THEN she could have a bit of a complex when trying to serve with other humans. Fighting imposter syndrome when other people find her mental skills impressive.
I'm just waiting for them to reveal that she can arm wrestle Data in S3.
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In other news some STD fan wishes that Shatner was dead.
I couldn't find a better screencap
I couldn't find a better screencap
He's a great actor but sadly the writers made sure to emasculate the character at every occasion with Burnham talking over him or contesting his orders in front of the bridge crew. I think they would continue down that road if they made a Pike spin-off, I could see Number One be the smartest and Pike make quips.
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I wasn't aware of that, haven't watched many episodes and after watching just 4, I'm not going to waste any more time on watching it, but at least I now know what all the fuss is about.
And yeah, we've seen countless instances of people arguing with the captain, but STD hits full blown Fan Fiction levels of bad writing. Burnham is this amazing character that shouts wisdom at people on the bridge, even if she's outranked, she has perfect knowledge of everything and learns super fast. It's so boooring. And poorly written. Just imagine someone like Burnham acting up like this against Picard or Sisko. Or hell, even Janeway. Even if they had a point, they'd not be allowed to behave like that, but it seems Burnham gets chastised a little before her mutiny, but that doesn't really make her stop in later episodes, it seems.
And what's up with her being called Micheal, is that some trans-baiting or what?
The only thing I am barely grateful here is that she doesn't have dangerhair.
You want to see a woman suffer? What are you, a bigot?
Joking aside, I agree. Burnham has been an absolutely annoying, boring character in just the three or four episodes that I watched and she certainly is not able to carry this show by herself.
I especially like how everyone pretends she's the one that started the Klingon war, when that makes no sense at all and no one has any reason to think she did. She started a mutiny, sure, that's fucked and people will be pissed about it, but the Klingons fired first and unprovoked.
So why are people mad at her? It's obvious that the Klingons present at that binary star wanted war, hell, the fucking conflict starts with them destroying a relay beacon.
From the Wiki-summary, I know that Lorca is from the evil parallel universe where everyone has goatees and he is shown to be pretty fucking crazy more than once, so they might go down the route and have Burnham questioning herself on whether she should stay loyal or not to that loony and if she really wants to start another mutiny. But I doubt the show is going to do a good job at that, if they even bother to explore that possibility. I assume it will just be randomly revealed they have evilLorca and then quickly dispose of him.
As a short addendum, a friend of mine watched a bit of this show a year or so ago and was absolutely amazed, told me it's super futuristic and cool and they even got some new strange drive... thing is, he thought this was a show set well after DS9 and TNG. When I told him it's a prequel to TOS, the whole thing fell apart for him. Point is, the whole show fits in so poorly into the franchise, my bro had trouble figuring out when the show is even supposedly set.
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That's what I keep telling everyone! Set the show after Voyager and it's nearly perfect. Starfleet is working on the spore drive because of the pathfinder project & getting Voyager home. Michael Burnham is an adopted daughter of Tuvok (or hell, just give her pointed ears and make her the ACTUAL daughter of Tuvok). Instead of KlingOrcs just have the Federation fighting some new power from the beta quadrant or maybe even make them a rogue Jem'Hadar faction - THOSE would have reason to complain about Making the Dominion Great Again. You'd even have a reason for the Mirror Universe getting involved again after DS9 had screwed around with them and got them riled up.
Then with a new war going on concurrently with it, you would build interest in ST: Picard as that would be examining the galactic goings on from a different angle.
It's like they had a decent idea for a sequel series, and then decided to shove it into a prequel era without properly sanding down the edges to make it work.
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That's Bryan Fuller's schtick, his female protagonists always have a male name.
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Isn't it also a Mary Sue thing?
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They had to make it a prequel series because 'member Kirk and Spock? I 'member!
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In the first few episodes, there's a number of cuts to the Bridge, or cuts of people entering the Bridge and the first thing we hear is a really loud "beep" sound like what you'd hear in TOS from time to time.
It's so noticable that I am 100% certain they did this as a cheap way to foster nostalgia.