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It's not that bad, imo. I love the opening episode. Most of the cast is such a joy that I think it makes it worthwhile.
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Not even going to bother with Discovery. From what I've seen, it's just sjw woke shit. The past incarnations of Trek were able to do morality episodes without being that preachy and insufferable.
To answer @Baldur's Gait, the first season of TNG isn't as good as the rest, it really does find it's pace in the second season, but it's nowhere near as bad as the internet makes it out to be. I'd suggest watching it. There's some good gems in there.
To answer @Baldur's Gait, the first season of TNG isn't as good as the rest, it really does find it's pace in the second season, but it's nowhere near as bad as the internet makes it out to be. I'd suggest watching it. There's some good gems in there.
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, but I also kind of hate you now for insinuating that Garak would endorse ST: D @_@
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Are you suggesting people skip the episode where Worf gets so grumpy because other people are having fun that he joins a bunch of terrorists that literally want to rain on everyone's parade?
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Well he did torture people for his job...I may have given you a
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Wasn't that one deep space 9?
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To be fair, nobody really comes out of "Let He Who Is Without Sin" looking good.
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Bashir and Dabo Thot seem pretty reasonable.
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Yeah DS9's Risa episode (Let He Who is Without Sin) was bad, but I didn't cringe nearly as hard as I did at the one where everyone caught a disease from Lwaxana and they all started making out with each other. At least the Risa episode had Dax in a shiny swimsuit if you're into that, and Worf being such a buzzkill was kinda funny to me.
I just watched the first few episodes of The Orville, I'm not blown away or anything but it's got its moments. Command Performance was my favorite episode so far, but I've only watched up until The Krill. Most of the 20th century pop culture references are a little grating (it's McFarlane and Braga though, they are probably restraining themselves) but they made decent use of it in a couple of places. Of course there was an episode where a gay(?) non-binary(?) couple troons out their newborn child, and while I did roll my eyes at the premise, it was handled more maturely than I expected. Anyway I heard the show doesn't really pick up until the second season so I'll keep watching, I enjoy the campiness honestly (the Krill costumes having all the rubber squeaking cracks me up for example).
Still haven't watched much Discovery, just a few out of order here and there. I pirated all the episodes this far (CBS blows in Canada and I avoid giving money to Bell Media on principle) but I'm holding off until I catch up on The Orville. Seems like fairly standard Trek to me so far, I haven't noticed identity politics being shoved in my face that much, keeping in mind that diversity and ham-fisted social/political allegories have always been a Trek thing. What I don't like is the shitty retcons and confusing nonsensical pandering. Michael Burnham's origin story for fuck sake... Spock had an adopted tard sister that he and Sarek and everyone else were apparently too embarrassed to mention fucking ever but actually she's totally a notorious Starfleet officer! Excuse me, what the fuck? I haven't gotten that far but I'm guessing there's gonna be some time travel fuckery later because that's really stupid. That said I'm not a giant continuity autist and I actually like time travel stories so I'm more optimistic about watching it through than I was at first, if I can get over not liking Burnham.
I just watched the first few episodes of The Orville, I'm not blown away or anything but it's got its moments. Command Performance was my favorite episode so far, but I've only watched up until The Krill. Most of the 20th century pop culture references are a little grating (it's McFarlane and Braga though, they are probably restraining themselves) but they made decent use of it in a couple of places. Of course there was an episode where a gay(?) non-binary(?) couple troons out their newborn child, and while I did roll my eyes at the premise, it was handled more maturely than I expected. Anyway I heard the show doesn't really pick up until the second season so I'll keep watching, I enjoy the campiness honestly (the Krill costumes having all the rubber squeaking cracks me up for example).
Still haven't watched much Discovery, just a few out of order here and there. I pirated all the episodes this far (CBS blows in Canada and I avoid giving money to Bell Media on principle) but I'm holding off until I catch up on The Orville. Seems like fairly standard Trek to me so far, I haven't noticed identity politics being shoved in my face that much, keeping in mind that diversity and ham-fisted social/political allegories have always been a Trek thing. What I don't like is the shitty retcons and confusing nonsensical pandering. Michael Burnham's origin story for fuck sake... Spock had an adopted tard sister that he and Sarek and everyone else were apparently too embarrassed to mention fucking ever but actually she's totally a notorious Starfleet officer! Excuse me, what the fuck? I haven't gotten that far but I'm guessing there's gonna be some time travel fuckery later because that's really stupid. That said I'm not a giant continuity autist and I actually like time travel stories so I'm more optimistic about watching it through than I was at first, if I can get over not liking Burnham.
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I'm not sure I would call a man who dresses like this "reasonable".
As for "Dabo Thot"... Part of the episode is her announcing that she's leaving her successful genetically engineered doctor boyfriend because she's been having fantasies about this doofus.
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"Dabo Thot" sounds like a shitty Star Wars EU character.
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That could stand as a tagline for the entire series. They do a lot better than many give them credit for, but its not as good as many others claim. Sort of micro-pseudo-Trek thing going on - tastes great, just one calorie, but stuck in a disposable plastic bottle.
You won't.
All the others characters actually get dumber as it goes on in an attempt to make her braindamage seem not so severe.
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Dukat was good boy but he got a little too attracted to the local wildlife.
Damar worked to free Cardassia from the imperialist brigands of the Dominion and their Jem Hadar running-dog lackeys in accordance with the Juche ideal.
Bajoran space demons are still filthy Bajorans.
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Yeah but the good red space demons liked Dukat so they're cool.
Seriously though, the prophets storyline always irked me in ds9. For a Federation that loves to moralize about the prime directive and being diplomatic and all that jazz, they never stopped to consider that the prophets might have actually been the shitty wormhole aliens who just happened to win the WormholeGate War of whatever year.
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You're *welcome*. And, Happy Picard Week.
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So, I ... uh... just watched the first 2 episodes of STD and I know I am late, but what the fuck did I just watch?
The worst thing for me when going from TOS to TNG is how different Klingons looked and how there's a shitton of new aliens almost around every corner that we have never seen before but are told that they are super important. I understand that TNG had to change things a little and introduce new aliens or alter existing ones, I am fine with that, it's just a tad bad for continuity... but nothing I can't overlook.
But then there's the Klingons in STD and suddenly they look this:
What is it with new entries in old franchises that are visibly ashamed of being part of said old franchise?
Sure, they went from this:
to this:
to this:
Makes total sense.
And I assume we just can't have subtle politics in our shows any longer, we need Klingon Supremacists in our show, raging on and on about their race's purity and how degenerate the Starfleet is for being diverse. I'm only surprised they don't wear red caps with "Make Klingon worship Kahless again" written on them. Well, that and the villain isn't called "T'Rampu" and his second in comman being called "Pen'Tse".
But you wanna know what the worst thing is?
The characters are insanely grating and manage to be wildly inconsistent within one Episode, even Janeway wasn't this poorly written.
Episode one has Saru state that the unknown object should be ignored cause it might be dangerous, that black chick goes "Maybe it's harmless! We should analyse it!".
Then she finds out that it is from the Klingons, instantly decides that she needs to destroy it and Saru goes "Noooo, it's a priceless artifact, we can't destroy that!" So, when they knew nothing about it, it was potentially dangerous and should be avoided at all costs, but when it turns out to be actually a threat, he doesn't want to scratch it. And of course, Tumblrham turns into a broken record about the necessity to kill all Klingons. Strangely enough, she makes a point for the alt-right: "Don't confuse race with culture", when she talks about the dangers of Klingons.
Tumblrham alone is such an annoying Fan-Fiction-Tier crap protagonist. Sure she was raised by Spock's parents, is a prodigy that graduated from a Vulcan Hogwarts. Who wrote this crap?
And that's not even going into all the conveniences and inconsistencies within the plot of these 2 episodes. It's such a mess.
So, we have Enterprise, the show so emberassed of being Star Trek, it didn't even put it in its title, STD, which just going by the synopsis of the first 2 seasons looks atrocious and contrived... and then we have the upcoming STP, a desperate attempt to garner sympathy from fans by dragging Patrick Stewart in front of the cameras, but it's a weird hodgepodge of both the Abrams timeline and the old timeline (I guess to please old and new fans the same, unfortunately, that's not how this works and both groups will be ostracised).
Star Trek managed to give us TNG and DS9, 2 absolutely amazing shows. It gave us Voyager, which was (IMHO) one of the best shows from the basic idea behind it but utterly ruined in execution, now it's only shitting out Abrams crap movies with unlikeable asshat characters and 3 shows that are absolutely unbearable.
The worst thing for me when going from TOS to TNG is how different Klingons looked and how there's a shitton of new aliens almost around every corner that we have never seen before but are told that they are super important. I understand that TNG had to change things a little and introduce new aliens or alter existing ones, I am fine with that, it's just a tad bad for continuity... but nothing I can't overlook.
But then there's the Klingons in STD and suddenly they look this:
What is it with new entries in old franchises that are visibly ashamed of being part of said old franchise?
Sure, they went from this:
to this:
to this:
Makes total sense.
And I assume we just can't have subtle politics in our shows any longer, we need Klingon Supremacists in our show, raging on and on about their race's purity and how degenerate the Starfleet is for being diverse. I'm only surprised they don't wear red caps with "Make Klingon worship Kahless again" written on them. Well, that and the villain isn't called "T'Rampu" and his second in comman being called "Pen'Tse".
But you wanna know what the worst thing is?
The characters are insanely grating and manage to be wildly inconsistent within one Episode, even Janeway wasn't this poorly written.
Episode one has Saru state that the unknown object should be ignored cause it might be dangerous, that black chick goes "Maybe it's harmless! We should analyse it!".
Then she finds out that it is from the Klingons, instantly decides that she needs to destroy it and Saru goes "Noooo, it's a priceless artifact, we can't destroy that!" So, when they knew nothing about it, it was potentially dangerous and should be avoided at all costs, but when it turns out to be actually a threat, he doesn't want to scratch it. And of course, Tumblrham turns into a broken record about the necessity to kill all Klingons. Strangely enough, she makes a point for the alt-right: "Don't confuse race with culture", when she talks about the dangers of Klingons.
Tumblrham alone is such an annoying Fan-Fiction-Tier crap protagonist. Sure she was raised by Spock's parents, is a prodigy that graduated from a Vulcan Hogwarts. Who wrote this crap?
And that's not even going into all the conveniences and inconsistencies within the plot of these 2 episodes. It's such a mess.
So, we have Enterprise, the show so emberassed of being Star Trek, it didn't even put it in its title, STD, which just going by the synopsis of the first 2 seasons looks atrocious and contrived... and then we have the upcoming STP, a desperate attempt to garner sympathy from fans by dragging Patrick Stewart in front of the cameras, but it's a weird hodgepodge of both the Abrams timeline and the old timeline (I guess to please old and new fans the same, unfortunately, that's not how this works and both groups will be ostracised).
Star Trek managed to give us TNG and DS9, 2 absolutely amazing shows. It gave us Voyager, which was (IMHO) one of the best shows from the basic idea behind it but utterly ruined in execution, now it's only shitting out Abrams crap movies with unlikeable asshat characters and 3 shows that are absolutely unbearable.