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I really don't get all the hate for Discovery, people can just not watch it and watch their favorites (or The Orville) instead.
 
Jequiti said:
I really don't get all the hate for Discovery, people can just not watch it and watch their favorites (or The Orville) instead.
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This is true, but I think that Discovery is setting a precedent for future Trek. Whether that's good or bad, it's yet to be seen.

(Personally, I just want Robert Orsi & Alex Kurtzman kicked out of showbiz already.)
 
Jequiti said:
people can just not watch it
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"Not watching something" is not that good a solution if you're even theoretically interested in the series. The first season is often a complete mess, and you have that nagging feeling that the show might get better later. As happened with TNG.
 
El Garbage said:
"Not watching something" is not that good a solution if you're even theoretically interested in the series. The first season is often a complete mess, and you have that nagging feeling that the show might get better later. As happened with TNG.
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I don't think it is a mess at all, people are bitching over it since day one.
 
I’m thinking I’m gonna check out Orville. From what I’ve heard they seem to have worked out a good balance on the comedy/drama aspect, and I’ve been interested in watching it anyway.

 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
I’m thinking I’m gonna check out Orville. From what I’ve heard they seem to have worked out a good balance on the comedy/drama aspect, and I’ve been interested in watching it anyway.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=528oXc04ICY
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Yeah, I actually liked one or two of them, with the rest being more blah than anything. It's not a bad show in my opinion. I think you just have to be amenable to McFarlane's style of comedy. (I'm not, but even then I liked some of the stuff.)
 
I liked the latest Discovery more than the other episodes, which isn't saying a ton really. I'd like to preface this by saying the the opening theme reminds me of Westworld and it slightly bothers me each time, though I like the opening ok
-the party scene was SO weird. They really loved zooming in on the disco lights on Discovery with Stayin Alive playing.. whatever.
-I liked Lorca a lot this episode. Actually, I like him in general. He was so over the space whale shit just immediately, it was great.
-Tardigrade DNA = the new nanoprobes?
-Stamets having to convince Michael to convince Tyler to talk about Mudd was so thin. I don't know Tyler at all. I don't care about their relationship. Shouldn't Burnham be one of the hardest people on the ship to convince of this?
-Some of the loops seemed a lot shorter. How is it one loop he barely gets to talk to Burnham and the ship explodes when he's teaching her to dance, but other loops they seem to have a couple of hours to run around?
-the Extremely Painful death orb didn't seem very painful at all.
-Stamets gives up the secret infuriatingly fast. Sure he has seen people die like.. 50 times but it gets reset every time and he is making progress. I thought it was some sort of plot by them at first because of how casually he just gives himself up.
-Stella was so far removed from TOS Stella that it hardly seemed like a punishment for Mudd.. very confusing ending if you're unaware of her behavior in TOS.. which the Discovery crew are.

Probably many more problems. But, I like the premise, and I like Mudd. Why is Jeffrey Combs not in Discovery yet? :/
 
Lackadaisy said:
Yeah, I actually liked one or two of them, with the rest being more blah than anything. It's not a bad show in my opinion. I think you just have to be amenable to McFarlane's style of comedy. (I'm not, but even then I liked some of the stuff.)
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It’s just that some of the episodes seem to be written for other shows.
That social media/upvote episode looked like some “Outer Limits/Black Mirror” shit.
 
melty said:
I liked the latest Discovery more than the other episodes, which isn't saying a ton really. I'd like to preface this by saying the the opening theme reminds me of Westworld and it slightly bothers me each time, though I like the opening ok
-the party scene was SO weird. They really loved zooming in on the disco lights on Discovery with Stayin Alive playing.. whatever.
-I liked Lorca a lot this episode. Actually, I like him in general. He was so over the space whale shit just immediately, it was great.
-Tardigrade DNA = the new nanoprobes?
-Stamets having to convince Michael to convince Tyler to talk about Mudd was so thin. I don't know Tyler at all. I don't care about their relationship. Shouldn't Burnham be one of the hardest people on the ship to convince of this?
-Some of the loops seemed a lot shorter. How is it one loop he barely gets to talk to Burnham and the ship explodes when he's teaching her to dance, but other loops they seem to have a couple of hours to run around?
-the Extremely Painful death orb didn't seem very painful at all.
-Stamets gives up the secret infuriatingly fast. Sure he has seen people die like.. 50 times but it gets reset every time and he is making progress. I thought it was some sort of plot by them at first because of how casually he just gives himself up.
-Stella was so far removed from TOS Stella that it hardly seemed like a punishment for Mudd.. very confusing ending if you're unaware of her behavior in TOS.. which the Discovery crew are.

Probably many more problems. But, I like the premise, and I like Mudd. Why is Jeffrey Combs not in Discovery yet? :/
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Wow, they already used the
time loop
episode in the first season?
 
melty said:
I liked the latest Discovery more than the other episodes, which isn't saying a ton really. I'd like to preface this by saying the the opening theme reminds me of Westworld and it slightly bothers me each time, though I like the opening ok
-the party scene was SO weird. They really loved zooming in on the disco lights on Discovery with Stayin Alive playing.. whatever.
-I liked Lorca a lot this episode. Actually, I like him in general. He was so over the space whale shit just immediately, it was great.
-Tardigrade DNA = the new nanoprobes?
-Stamets having to convince Michael to convince Tyler to talk about Mudd was so thin. I don't know Tyler at all. I don't care about their relationship. Shouldn't Burnham be one of the hardest people on the ship to convince of this?
-Some of the loops seemed a lot shorter. How is it one loop he barely gets to talk to Burnham and the ship explodes when he's teaching her to dance, but other loops they seem to have a couple of hours to run around?
-the Extremely Painful death orb didn't seem very painful at all.
-Stamets gives up the secret infuriatingly fast. Sure he has seen people die like.. 50 times but it gets reset every time and he is making progress. I thought it was some sort of plot by them at first because of how casually he just gives himself up.
-Stella was so far removed from TOS Stella that it hardly seemed like a punishment for Mudd.. very confusing ending if you're unaware of her behavior in TOS.. which the Discovery crew are.

Probably many more problems. But, I like the premise, and I like Mudd. Why is Jeffrey Combs not in Discovery yet? :/
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I watched it drunk or something and I liked it the most. I thought it actually felt like Star Trek. I mean absolutely garbage Star Trek, but still better than anything so far.
Gay relationship was handled well
Lorca is fun
I still have hopes for Klingon Rape Victim man
Everyone dies over and over again
It almost felt like people were thinking this episode
DOPE ASS HIP HOP MUSIC WASSUP
Michael Burnham is fucking unbearable as a character.
Chemistry between Burnham and Klingon Rape Victim was non-existent
Mudd acting like an action movie villain
This show really is not selling me on Tilly at all
This show is really suffering from just immediately dropping the viewer with a war instead of actually building it up by letting us see the state of Klingons more, learn more about the main cast, more background on the relationship Burnham had with that one female captain that got stabbed, general worldbuilding shit.
It really feels like they blew their CG budget on the first 3 or so episodes
The extremely painful dark matter orb really fucking didn't seem painful at all
Letting Mudd get away with the incredible amount of crimes he committed in that show
Letting Mudd actually get away with information on the Discovery, its spore drive, and how it works (the entire fucking point of stopping him, just because he cant rewind time anymore doesn't mean he forgot your military fucking secrets)
I am fully confident by now that this show will never manage to not make Michael Burnham shit

On the other hand I saw the latest Orville episode too and was mostly happy with it. One thing really fucking bugged me though
Doctor straight up murdered the dude who rescued her. What the fuck? Sure he was a creep, but imagine watching everyone die and go insane and being probably the last mostly sane man alive. Do you expect him to not be off his rocker a little? It seemed insanely overkill and I got pretty mad at it actually, especially when they're getting attacked by cannibals and her son goes out to defend them and she says something along the lines of "Remember to keep it on stun, these guys may not care about our lives, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about theirs". YOU FUCKING MURDERED A MAN WHO HELPED YOU. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO LECTURE YOUR SON ON SPARING PEOPLE.
That was so not FUCKING cool.
 
XYZpdq said:
Apparently Orville got picked up for a second season?

That's some impressive shit making it to S2 on Fox.
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I have talked with alot of older Trek fans and they seem to believe that Orville is the true Star Trek successor rather than Discovery. That was truly telling to me to the point I need to see Orville.
 
I prefer the Orville to Discovery, too. I don't think anyone would care about Orville if it weren't for Discovery coming out at the same time to directly compare it to.
I'd love for Orville to become more successful than Discovery to the point they reevaluate Discovery but I don't think it will happen :(
 
I'll say that Discovery improves as it goes and gets markedly better when it is treated as an ensemble cast instead of The Michael Burnham Show. Considering how shitty the first season of other post-TOS series have been it's not doing too badly.

The Klingons need fucking hair though.
 
Last episode of Discovery would have been really fun for me, but it felt like they were focusing too much on Michael Burnham again. She's really a trash character and I wish she would go or at least improve.
The "Tyler is Voq" theory seems to be coming true which actually bugs me because I feel the show is going to absolutely fucking fail at explaining how Klingon medical technology was able to make him look human, make his body pass as human for medical exams (how the fuck do you cover up the various organs redundancies etc), and how they taught him English with all the stress from surgery.
 
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