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Reinhardo-sama said:
And then you realise: Sisko is half wormhole alien and a fight between the two would be a galaxy altering thing.
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my headcanon is Q is like, mid-nipotent, but he relies a lot on reading the people around him on a basic space/time level
once you get past that "sight" he's got a glass jaw and he knows it, he leans entirely on picking on entities that are only on basic space/time, so when Guinan pulls her Flying Neutrino Fist stance Q just about shits himself, and we know Guinan is able to go well beyond basic spacetime perception and stuff
so Q just figures "lol new hyumon Imma go fuck with hi- OW holy shit. Uh... I have to go now forever. Because I just totally pranked you. Bye. ow ow ow"

also I dug up my paperback with Bread and Circuses, they just punt and have it as "the sun" and then at the end Son when we find out it was jeebus all along
 
In the Q episode of DS9, the writers didn't have the wormhole alien thing figured out for Sisko. It works out retroactively but, at the time, I think the point of the scene was to establish that Sisko does not fuck around.

Picard's mission was exploration and diplomacy. He was on the Federation flagship doing the thing that the Federation prides itself on doing. Everything Picard did was considered and thought-out. Sisko, on the other hand, used his intuition a lot more. He had the far more difficult assignment of keeping a shitty space station together, preventing the Bajorans from killing themselves, keeping the Cardassians at bay, and dealing with high-profile criminals passing through Bajoran space on a daily basis. Picard had the time, patience, and interest to playing around with Q while Sisko lacked all three.

I think that's sort of the big reason Q never returned to DS9: his purpose was always to "teach those little humans a lesson," but Sisko's situation never really called for it. The writers wanted Sisko to distinguish himself from Picard by punching Q and telling his crew to ignore the bastard, so why would they do anything else in future encounters with Q? The writers put themselves in a corner, but honestly it was a good corner. They sort of tried this again with "Move Along Home" (Allamaraine!) and it didn't work.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
In the Q episode of DS9, the writers didn't have the wormhole alien thing figured out for Sisko. It works out retroactively but, at the time, I think the point of the scene was to establish that Sisko does not fuck around.

Picard's mission was exploration and diplomacy. He was on the Federation flagship doing the thing that the Federation prides itself on doing. Everything Picard did was considered and thought-out. Sisko, on the other hand, used his intuition a lot more. He had the far more difficult assignment of keeping a shitty space station together, preventing the Bajorans from killing themselves, keeping the Cardassians at bay, and dealing with high-profile criminals passing through Bajoran space on a daily basis. Picard had the time, patience, and interest to playing around with Q while Sisko lacked all three.

I think that's sort of the big reason Q never returned to DS9: his purpose was always to "teach those little humans a lesson," but Sisko's situation never really called for it. The writers wanted Sisko to distinguish himself from Picard by punching Q and telling his crew to ignore the bastard, so why would they do anything else in future encounters with Q? The writers put themselves in a corner, but honestly it was a good corner. They sort of tried this again with "Move Along Home" (Allamaraine!) and it didn't work.
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yeah, from a dramatic standpoint Sisko wasn't the sort of guy who would put up with Q's bullshit
whether it was intentional from the get-go to say "here is why Q won't be in this show" or it just worked out that way as they saw there wasn't much chemistry between the characters, that was the result
I know Sisko wasn't written as a demigodlikealien yet but that's why I said headcanon not "real thing"
 
I appreciate the few beings even Q couldn't fuck with, like Guinan. She existed in some cosmic loophole. You’d have to assume The Emissary fell into the same unwritten category.

Q was much more willing to terrorize the Enterprise-D. He wasn’t just playing around. Barely keeping his temper in check, he slams the chess pieces in front of Picard. No flashy effects, just a petty, godlike tantrum, which is more unsettling.

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Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Picard's mission was exploration and diplomacy. He was on the Federation flagship doing the thing that the Federation prides itself on doing. Everything Picard did was considered and thought-out. Sisko, on the other hand, used his intuition a lot more. He had the far more difficult assignment of keeping a shitty space station together, preventing the Bajorans from killing themselves, keeping the Cardassians at bay, and dealing with high-profile criminals passing through Bajoran space on a daily basis. Picard had the time, patience, and interest to playing around with Q while Sisko lacked all three.
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Pointing out the differences between TNG and DS9 is like that one George Carlin bit.

"The Next Generation takes place on the Enterprise-D, the most advanced ship in all of Starfleet."

"Deep Space Nine takes place on a former concentration camp we stole from one of the most evil races in the galaxy. We barely know how it works."
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
"Deep Space Nine takes place on a former concentration camp we stole from one of the most evil races in the galaxy. We barely know how it works."
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Now, now: the Bajorans volunteered to go to Terok N- Deep Space Nine, and they were compensated with food, shelter, and care packages to their families. Cardassians provided ample security, which was necessary due to violent Bajoran protests and terrorist activity.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
In the Q episode of DS9, the writers didn't have the wormhole alien thing figured out for Sisko. It works out retroactively but, at the time, I think the point of the scene was to establish that Sisko does not fuck around.

Picard's mission was exploration and diplomacy. He was on the Federation flagship doing the thing that the Federation prides itself on doing. Everything Picard did was considered and thought-out. Sisko, on the other hand, used his intuition a lot more. He had the far more difficult assignment of keeping a shitty space station together, preventing the Bajorans from killing themselves, keeping the Cardassians at bay, and dealing with high-profile criminals passing through Bajoran space on a daily basis. Picard had the time, patience, and interest to playing around with Q while Sisko lacked all three.

I think that's sort of the big reason Q never returned to DS9: his purpose was always to "teach those little humans a lesson," but Sisko's situation never really called for it. The writers wanted Sisko to distinguish himself from Picard by punching Q and telling his crew to ignore the bastard, so why would they do anything else in future encounters with Q? The writers put themselves in a corner, but honestly it was a good corner. They sort of tried this again with "Move Along Home" (Allamaraine!) and it didn't work.
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The episode with Q was a promotional/ratings stunt to gin up interest in DS9.

And duh, that's why they never had Q revisit, because the writers didn't have any need or care for him as a character.

Whereas Voayger could do interesting things with him, what with the show being Temu-TNG
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Now, now: the Bajorans volunteered to go to Terok N- Deep Space Nine, and they were compensated with food, shelter, and care packages to their families. Cardassians provided ample security, which was necessary due to violent Bajoran protests and terrorist activity.
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Damar, are we out of touch? I'd say it's the Bajorans who are wrong!
 
Reinhardo-sama said:
And then you realise: Sisko is half wormhole alien and a fight between the two would be a galaxy altering thing.
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
my headcanon is Q is like, mid-nipotent, but he relies a lot on reading the people around him on a basic space/time level
once you get past that "sight" he's got a glass jaw and he knows it, he leans entirely on picking on entities that are only on basic space/time, so when Guinan pulls her Flying Neutrino Fist stance Q just about shits himself, and we know Guinan is able to go well beyond basic spacetime perception and stuff
so Q just figures "lol new hyumon Imma go fuck with hi- OW holy shit. Uh... I have to go now forever. Because I just totally pranked you. Bye. ow ow ow"

also I dug up my paperback with Bread and Circuses, they just punt and have it as "the sun" and then at the end Son when we find out it was jeebus all along
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Didn't we determine in this very thread that the Q just don't like darkies very much?
 
Flexo said:
Whereas Voayger could do interesting things with him, what with the show being Temu-TNG
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LMAO, they did it for the same reason as they did for DS9. As a ratings trap to help their floundering favored child and they kept bringing him back because Voyager kept needing the support.

Its kind of funny how it was the desperation for success in Voyagers banal showing that led them to pour ever more funds into Voyager, while DS9 was left pennies because it was too competently put together.

I can see why no one in Hollywood can do their job competently anymore (besides the fundamental fact that they are incapable of doing so of course). You get rewarded for being a fuck up, while the competent people are left to rot.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
yeah, from a dramatic standpoint Sisko wasn't the sort of guy who would put up with Q's bullshit
whether it was intentional from the get-go to say "here is why Q won't be in this show" or it just worked out that way as they saw there wasn't much chemistry between the characters, that was the result
I know Sisko wasn't written as a demigodlikealien yet but that's why I said headcanon not "real thing"
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Q already had already found his white whale aka Picard to annoyed the fuck out off. While trying to teach Picard lessons in humility and not succeeding but still entertaining doing so. Coupled with Q actually having an adjective elsewhere on DS9 and once that order of business taken care of. Q didn't have much reason to go back to DS9. As Sisko before the recon, would've been too much for very minimal reward and didn't need to be taught anything by Q.
 
Chilson said:
LMAO, they did it for the same reason as they did for DS9. As a ratings trap to help their floundering favored child and they kept bringing him back because Voyager kept needing the support.

Its kind of funny how it was the desperation for success in Voyagers banal showing that led them to pour ever more funds into Voyager, while DS9 was left pennies because it was too competently put together.

I can see why no one in Hollywood can do their job competently anymore (besides the fundamental fact that they are incapable of doing so of course). You get rewarded for being a fuck up, while the competent people are left to rot.
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My wife watched all of TNG and DS9 with me and liked it. She watched maybe 3 episodes of Voyager and said "this is too girl power for me, let's watch something else" and we moved on to Enterprise. Which she liked better than Voyager.

Voyager just wasn't that good.

What's funny is DS9 let a ton of Star Trek actors get directing credits. LeVar Burton's episodes were great. It ended up helping more careers.
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Q already had already found his white whale aka Picard to annoyed the fuck out off. While trying to teach Picard lessons in humility and not succeeding but still entertaining doing so. Coupled with Q actually having an adjective elsewhere on DS9 and once that order of business taken care of. Q didn't have much reason to go back to DS9. As Sisko before the recon, would've been too much for very minimal reward and didn't need to be taught anything by Q.
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Exactly. Sisko wasn't up his own ass like Picard. He'd let his officers be terrorists once in a while, as a treat.
 
I had not realized Naomi Wildman grew up to become Reba's daughter.
(and grew up nice for a meatbag)
 
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