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HarryHowler said:
Honestly, you wouldn't miss a hell of a lot if you skipped all the way to the final episode of the third season, "Scorpion," which is where the show starts to become somewhat watchable.
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Why not just skip the whole show?

Although "Scorpion" is a bloody good episode.
 
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YankeeTrader said:
I really wish I had some optimism to throw your way. Voyager does have a some good episodes, but they happened far too infrequently. Have you made it to "The 37's" yet?

The Doctor ended up being my favorite character by a wide margin. The Writers hated Kim more than they did O'Brien. Tuvok ends up being alright and the only good thing Neelix does on the show is get on Tuvoks nerves. Not much else.

Hang in there.
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I'm still on Season 1 so no. It's so god damned hard to watch this shit. TOS, TNG, and DS9 always had my attention because the cast was charming enough to maneuver their way through the most shit episodes. But the cast of Voyager isn't interesting enough to make me hold my attention, even for the better episodes. Like Emanations was a really, really cool episode story wise, but my fucking Lord shoot the fucker who thought putting Harry Kim in the spotlight for most of the episode was a good idea. Garret Wang just cannot act, why was he ever cast? I think the only two characters I'm interested in so far are The Doctor and Tuvok, but to be honest I only like Tuvok because of his Vulcan behavior.

Also I get the feeling that the plot will never really advance for the first 3 seasons. There have been 2 episodes where the crew almost gets home, but ends up staying behind because shit happens. The first one was pretty cool with the wormhole they encountered not only affecting space, but also time. They ruined the ending though by making the fucking Romulan they contacted dead during their time pretty much putting them back at square one. Then there was the episode where they could have cut their journey in half with magical alien technology and I thought "Wow, the plot will surely advance this time. It isn't a skip to the end, it's just a kick in their butts."
NOPE, the crew is incompetent and fucks everything up.

This just isn't that much fun to watch.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
I'm still on Season 1 so no. It's so god damned hard to watch this shit. TOS, TNG, and DS9 always had my attention because the cast was charming enough to maneuver their way through the most shit episodes. But the cast of Voyager isn't interesting enough to make me hold my attention, even for the better episodes. Like Emanations was a really, really cool episode story wise, but my fucking Lord shoot the fucker who thought putting Harry Kim in the spotlight for most of the episode was a good idea. Garret Wang just cannot act, why was he ever cast? I think the only two characters I'm interested in so far are The Doctor and Tuvok, but to be honest I only like Tuvok because of his Vulcan behavior.

Also I get the feeling that the plot will never really advance for the first 3 seasons. There have been 2 episodes where the crew almost gets home, but ends up staying behind because shit happens. The first one was pretty cool with the wormhole they encountered not only affecting space, but also time. They ruined the ending though by making the fucking Romulan they contacted dead during their time pretty much putting them back at square one. Then there was the episode where they could have cut their journey in half with magical alien technology and I thought "Wow, the plot will surely advance this time. It isn't a skip to the end, it's just a kick in their butts."
NOPE, the crew is incompetent and fucks everything up.

This just isn't that much fun to watch.
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I checked out of Voyager after the 37's and only got back into it after Babylon 5 finally ended. I'd like to say it finally coaleces like TNG did, but it never really does.

The crew does learn to lighten up a bit, the family dynamic does build over time, but it just never feels as natural as in other incarnations of Trek. The Doctor/Seven relationship was probably the best for me.

Voyager is kind of like a live action Gilligan's Island in space, only nowhere near as well thought out.
 
TheImportantFart said:
Why not just skip the whole show?

Although "Scorpion" is a bloody good episode.
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Eh, Voyager has its moments (mostly when the Doctor is on screen) and can be enjoyable based on just how bad it is sometimes. "How will the writers waste the potential of this episode in their desperate attempts to return to the status quo?" is a fun game to play. It has also really nice set and prop design (Voyager's interior is my favourite out of all the Trek ships). I'd say it's a good show to have on in the background while doing other stuff and a bad show for dedicated watching.

Yeah, okay, that's a pretty shitty endorsement, but I think a show doesn't have to be good to be fun and at the end of the day it's still Star Trek, which is enough for people like me.

It's also amazing for taking things out of context and how consistently almost every character can be interpreted as a complete psychopath.


 
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Intelligent Calcium said:
The one thing in Voyager's favour are the production values. I love the sets of Voyager's interior

Eh, Voyager has it's moments (mostly when the Doctor is on screen) and can be enjoyable based on just how bad it is sometimes. "How will the writers waste the potential of this episode in their desperate attempts to return to the status quo?" is a fun game to play. It has also really nice set and prop design (Voyager's interior is my favourite out of all the Trek ships). I'd say it's a good show to have on in the background while doing other stuff and a bad show for dedicated watching.

Yeah, okay, that's a pretty shitty endorsement, but I think a show doesn't have to be good to be fun and at the end of the day it's still Star Trek, which is enough for people like me.

It's also amazing for taking things out of context and how consistently almost every character can be interpreted as a complete psychopath.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nVdH1GomPTk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=id=LYwEaBu6lfQ;m=4;s=36
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I also forget about Q. He isn't terrible the times he appears and actually livens things up much better than on TNG
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
Eh, Voyager has its moments (mostly when the Doctor is on screen) and can be enjoyable based on just how bad it is sometimes. "How will the writers waste the potential of this episode in their desperate attempts to return to the status quo?" is a fun game to play. It has also really nice set and prop design (Voyager's interior is my favourite out of all the Trek ships). I'd say it's a good show to have on in the background while doing other stuff and a bad show for dedicated watching.

Yeah, okay, that's a pretty shitty endorsement, but I think a show doesn't have to be good to be fun and at the end of the day it's still Star Trek, which is enough for people like me.

It's also amazing for taking things out of context and how consistently almost every character can be interpreted as a complete psychopath.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=nVdH1GomPTk
https://youtube.com/watch?v=id=LYwEaBu6lfQ;m=4;s=36
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Janeway was a psychopath even in context, though.
 
TheImportantFart said:
They destroyed Q on Voyager. "Death Wish" was good, but "The Q and the Grey" and "Q2" were embarrassing, especially considering the latter is Q's final Star Trek appearance.
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I dunno, i thought it was a interesting take on the Q as a whole. Maybe I just liked the way Q made Janeway miserable.
 
I've read some of the official Voyager novels. The writers of the books did their best with the work they had, trying to lift the worst part of Voyager's suck into something tolerable, and they kinda succeed at times. One book was an extended excuse to give a detailed backstory to all the characters that actually tries to make you give a damn about them, even Neelix.
 
YankeeTrader said:
I checked out of Voyager after the 37's and only got back into it after Babylon 5 finally ended. I'd like to say it finally coaleces like TNG did, but it never really does.

The crew does learn to lighten up a bit, the family dynamic does build over time, but it just never feels as natural as in other incarnations of Trek. The Doctor/Seven relationship was probably the best for me.

Voyager is kind of like a live action Gilligan's Island in space, only nowhere near as well thought out.
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Voyager is like a humorless Red Dwarf.
 
I can sorta enjoy Voyager for spaceships and crazy space words and space time thingies and all that crap they encounter.

But yeah, most of the time my enjoyment of Voyager is antagonistic in nature.

Only time I've watched it to any degree is since I started up on an all-Trek synchtube. It's a lot more tolerable when you've got other Trek nerds around to say "lolwat that's fucking stupid fuck you voyager" with.

I will give it credit, though, there's some episodes I've genuinely enjoyed, like the one with Paris having to go to space driver's ed. Between that, Taxi, and DBZ I'm pretty sure it's a law of physics that driver's ed is basically instant humor gold.

That reminds me. According to some guy online that episode of DS9 where the Nagus gets zapped by the wormhole aliens grew out of a pitch for a Taxi episode where the guy who taught Louie everything he knew about being a scuzzy asshole would show up all nice and stuff and Louie wouldn't know what to do.
 
buffaloWildWings said:
Lexx is the humorless Farscape.
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We can do this all night LOL. Let's just leave it at Voyager is below sub-par, and is understandably forgotten in the legacy of Star Trek.

Although without it we wouldn't have this:

 
YankeeTrader said:
I dunno, i thought it was a interesting take on the Q as a whole. Maybe I just liked the way Q made Janeway miserable.
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I liked Q's interactions with Picard for more or less the same reason, but also because Picard had the patience and maturity to deal with a basically omnipotent entity (at least compared to anything he had), albeit with the maturity of a 4 year old, and generally outwit him.
 
I actually really like the nine part finale of DS9, esp the Dukat vs Sisko ending. While I like the majority of the series, the last two seasons are the seasons I typically rewatch, and then selectively go back to the previous seasons, as they're not nearly as good.

As for Voyager, it's mostly a microwaved, soggy mediocre version of The Next Generation (the show largely is TNG if that show had all its good characterization, intelligent writing and novelty sucked out) , it'd be totally forgettable and skipabble if not for the EMH and Seven of Nine, who are the only interesting characters on the show. It does have a few stand-out episodes but the show is completely devoid of character development (outside the EMH and Seven of Nine), interesting ideas and entertainment (the show can be unbelievably boring even for generic Star Trek) and the few good episodes (like Scorpion or Timeless or Blink of an Eye) don't make up for seven seasons of largely flavorless oatmeal.

A major reason (beyond the executive meddling which did not exist on TNG and DS9, a major reason those series are so much stronger) is because Brannon Braga and Rick Berman (the showrunners) were miffed they couldn't do their exact vision, so they got burned out and put minimal effort in the show. Pre-Voyager Braga was (largely) a good writer, and pre-Berman was actually (mostly) a positive force on Trek, but by Voyagers time, they got crushed by executive meddling, and TNG's success also taught both to be very conservative with writing (as in they shouldn't deviate from the TNG format at all), so they ended up just churning out mediocre pale imitation crap, that got decent ratings so no one complained. When the exact same situation happened on Enterprise however, the show got shitcanned fairly quickly (by Trek standards anyway, it's amazing it got four seasons..) and they lost control of the entire franchise (thankfully). Ronald D Moore actually moved to Voyager after DS9 ended but left after only a few weeks because he was disgusted with the environment and Braga and Berman. Add all that to the often mindless stupidity of Voyager, and overall it's just not a very good show. I still can't decide if it's actually worse than Enterprise, which of course is also pretty bad.

TL;DR Voyager is a souless, lifeless version of TNG, and Enterprise starts off as a retarded version of Voyager, and then slightly improves right before it's shitcanned. Stick with TNG and DS9, the only good Treks, and if you're adventurous, go into the TOS minefield. VOY and ENT will make you wonder why you're watching Star Trek to begin with.
 
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Is Voyager ever going to have lasting consequences? Like are they ever going to take serious damage in one battle and then be like "Oh fuck, there's a hull breach and we need to fix this shit nigga how the fuck are we going to do this shit?" Or maybe they lose crew due to some virus and need to get more hands on board?
I'm really considering just dropping this shit all together and moving onto Enterprise. It CAN'T be as bad as this or as boring.

Aside from boring TV, I saw Star Trek Beyond and it was pretty fun. I kind of wish it cut down a little on the action and had more technobabble.
 
GeorgeDaMoose said:
Is Voyager ever going to have lasting consequences?
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umm...

Like are they ever going to take serious damage in one battle and then be like "Oh fuck, there's a hull breach and we need to fix this shit nigga how the fuck are we going to do this shit?"
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ummm....

Or maybe they lose crew due to some virus and need to get more hands on board?
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okay they kinda do that eventually

I'm really considering just dropping this shit all together and moving onto Enterprise. It CAN'T be as bad as this or as boring.
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ummm.....

I don't think Ent's as bad as Voy, but Ent certainly puts up a good fight for that title at times.
 
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