Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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GeorgeDaMoose said:
Season 5 was so fucking good and the ending of it was great and then the beginning of Season 6 is literally orgasm worthy so far and this shit is literally fucking perfect sci-fi. No seasoning needed homies just fucking dig in and enjoy. Man I love the Dominion and their faggy looking elves and cool ass lizard soldiers.
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Where are you at in terms of last episode watched?
 
Ok, I rewatched voyagers finale and you all were right. It is really terrible.

However I really love Janeway so an episode with two Janeways just kills me. I get extremely autistic about Janeway.

I'm going to rewatch "all good things..." soon.
 
Far Beyond the Stars was a god damn weird episode. I like Avery Brook's performances as Sisko usually, but he was weird as hell towards the end of this episode.
"BEN SISKO EXISTS I CREATED IT YOU CAN'T DESTROY MY IDEA IT'S THE FUTURE I CREATED IT AND IT'S REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL."
Like holy shit what the hell happened, kind of reminded me of a few moment in Emissary when Avery was acting really weird at some points.
I can't say it wasn't enjoyable at some parts, but fuck it was a really unsatisfying episode.
Other than that Season 6 has been pretty great. I wish the retaking of DS9 was pushed back like 2 to 3 episodes, but I really liked the shit that went down anyways. Dukat going batshit insane was really fun too.
 
YankeeTrader said:
Dukat is just wading in the shallow end of the crazy pool. Jut wait till he starts to really swim!
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What really interesting is the way they turn him into a psychopath. When we first met him, he was a really charming version of Hitler, and he's so damn charming and gets several chances to do some heroic things to the point you almost believe he's a good guy even though he still hasn't really shed who he originally was underneath it all.

Then the writers decided to remind everyone just how nasty he is by having him join the Dominion, and we get lots of reminders he's still a racist, egotistical asshole.

Then he gets owned in the Second Battle of DS9, loses his daughter, and the effect of those two events happening back to back punches such a massive hole in his ego and arrogance it snaps him like a twig.

But then it gets more interesting in "Waltz".

Underneath all the layers of Dukat's ego and being an ultra charming version of Hitler is a massive attention whore for praise who truly believes he's the good guy and he never got over how the Bajorans refused to love him because he believed he did them such a better turn than his predecessors, even though he actually ramped up the brutality. As Sisko starts realizing just how deluded Dukat really is, he plays along with Dukat's self pity and gets him to admit, deep down, if he can't get his enemies to love him, he just want to kill them all for not giving him the adoration he believes himself due, and he discovers Dukat is a pathetically deranged self-delusionist who has rationalized every horrible thing he's ever done away to preserve his most closely held delusion he's the good guy.

Past this point, when Dukat finally has no way to preserve this delusion, he just decided to embrace his inner asshole and run wild with it till the end of the show.
 
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Intelligent Calcium said:
I liked the episode where he became a cult leader but when he became possessed by a Pah Wraith it effectively ended him as a character.
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I think the problem is they took the character to his logical conclusion in "Waltz" and should really have killed him off there but didn't because they still wanted him to be the big bad guy of the show, but it ended up messing up the character.
 
YankeeTrader said:
Fair nuff. That still leaves 19 stinkers :biggrin:

Compared to 3-6, 7 just seemed like a big letdown
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Maybe so. TBH I haven't seen all the episodes of TNG, not even all the episodes in season 7, and I don't really watch them in order. That said I just watched "Attached" yesterday and I thought it was good. I just generally felt that TNG got better as it went along as the actors got more comfortable with their roles and the production quality seemingly increased. But that may be heavily influenced by a pretty bad first couple of seasons. (It seems TOS suffered the reverse problem, with budget cuts and some bad ideas in season 3.)
 
Holdek said:
Maybe so. TBH I haven't seen all the episodes of TNG, not even all the episodes in season 7, and I don't really watch them in order. That said I just watched "Attached" yesterday and I thought it was good. I just generally felt that TNG got better as it went along as the actors got more comfortable with their roles and the production quality seemingly increased. But that may be heavily influenced by a pretty bad first couple of seasons. (It seems TOS suffered the reverse problem, with budget cuts and some bad ideas in season 3.)
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I guess it really is just a matter of taste. I found 1-2 and 7 the worst overall seasons. There were a few gems, but on the whole a bit of a letdown.
 
I feel all the season 7s are weird. they have this melancholy aspect, they shake things up and have weird relationship pairings that trigger everyone's autism
(I liked ezri and bashir personally though)
 
melty said:
I feel all the season 7s are weird. they have this melancholy aspect, they shake things up and have weird relationship pairings that trigger everyone's autism
(I liked ezri and bashir personally though)
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They all had problems in different ways with this.

TNG: They didn't seem to know what they want to end the show with, and the seventh season didn't have much of a buildup to any particular closure. They finally found a nice note to end on despite this and had some great episodes anyway.

DS9: They had a problem with trying to juggle lots of interconnected plots they had to cleave together at the end, which they largely managed to do.

Unfortunately, they had to make sure what they established since day one (Sisko being Emissary and him being a Jesus like figure for the Bajorans) had to happen by show end, so they had to stilt the season to make sure they didn't do this before the end of the season (the episode where Dukat is temporarily blinded was an admitted attempted on their part to stall the story until they were ready for this). While they managed to get a lot of this done well, this aspect of the plot forced them to stagger certain things to keep this plot point on track, and the other material suffered for it.

VOY: The Voyager team had to make it back to the Alpha Quadrant by the end, no question, but they had to make it happen in a way that provided adequate closure, and unfortunately, they had the TNG problem of not having a decent idea in advance, save some climatic Borg confrontation, to work with.

However, they still had not thought of a way to set it up beforehand, so they used a time travel cop out to jump start the confrontation.

It works, but they basically had to toss out how DS9 tried to tie up all the other character arcs by the credits to instead settle for just ending the show with the bare minimum done.
 
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the demons was kinda dumb in general, but it gave us Dukat look sooooooooooo fucking stylish in the Bajorn clothes at the end and the demons with Wynn was fucking hilarious "OH SPACE DEMONS GIVE ME THE POWER" "lolno even we think you're shit. we're with Dukat, bitch"
 
Shiiiiiieeeeeeeettttt In The Pale Moonlight was excellent. I can't believe I'm almost done with Season 6 already, feels like I was just on the fourth season yesterday.
Then it'll be time to go check out the movies. I'm kind of excited to revisit TOS, that should be good fun.
 
Snorlaxative said:
I used to fucking hate Star Trek. I was forced to watch it as a child, and absolutely disregarded it. Now that I am older, wiser, and nerdier, I can say that I am beginning to have more interest in the franchise. I have begun watching Enterprise on netflix... Where do I go from there? Is there some sort of primer for Trek or should I just watch whatever I feel like watching?
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Just skip the original series, for the most part most episodes are so dated with cheesy props it's hard to watch sometimes...maybe because I came up on next generation.which is by far the best series...it's on Netflix I believe, anyone who thinks janeway or kirk hold a candle to picard are fools. Fools!
Next gen also has the second best trek character, data.
Alot of people like voyager, they are dumb.
Nobody likes DS9.

Oh and nemesis and first contact are the best movies. nemesis has a young Tom hardy playing a picard clone. first contact is my fave movie out of the films. I like the borg.
 
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