Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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People always make fun of the technobabble, but TNG and DS9 at least had pretty well written babble most of the time, where even though the actual technology doesn't exist, you can follow along with the intended function of most of the components and have an idea of how they work in universe, sometimes just based on the names of the gizmos. It wasn't like they were spouting utter nonsense, listening to Geordi or O'Brien explaining why the Romulan disruptor blast frying a power relay junction damaged the inertial dampener and that's why everyone is moving in slow motion is silly but there's still a logical sounding progression there that works in-universe.
yeah that was my big issue with Voyager in the day, it struck me like they just got "technobabble, fire the blue ray, technobabble, fire the green ray" but didn't really get the idea that the technobabble was supposed to be in service to the plot, not the plot itself
 
I've never been to California so I'm going to need one of you who has to answer this question: Is LA orange all the time like in Picard? I thought the orange filter didn't take effect until you crossed over to Mexico.
I just realized Picard is going to use the Bell Riots as the event that kills Guinan and ruins the future. I wonder how many aliens were killed in the Fentanyl Floyd riots?
 
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Is Guinan gonna die?

Oh, no... they're gonna kill a beloved character... this is so groundbreaking, my expectations are so subverted, I would have never guessed they were doing this, I am so in shock by this absolutely surprising development...
 
I wonder how many aliens were killed in the Fentanyl Floyd riots?
Not enough.

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Well, I'll give this week's episode of Picard one thing, namely that it managed to capture the feeling of TNG. Unfortunately, it was the early seasons of TNG, where Roddenberry was laying on the socialist propaganda and jabs at contemporary society, before Berman took control and decided "Hey, just maybe the show would be a bit more popular if we didn't relentlessly lecture and insult viewers at every opportunity."
 
I think its fantastic what they did! Its a very hopeful message to show that their plan in star trek 4 worked and that whales are inhabiting earth again.
 
I think its fantastic what they did! Its a very hopeful message to show that their plan in star trek 4 worked and that whales are inhabiting earth again.
They still got the details wrong, however. The Enterprise crew went back and got humpback wales. That obviously is a bowhead whale.
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The hacks.
 
yeah that was my big issue with Voyager in the day, it struck me like they just got "technobabble, fire the blue ray, technobabble, fire the green ray" but didn't really get the idea that the technobabble was supposed to be in service to the plot, not the plot itself
The current Trek shows are pretty much an over-reaction to the criticisms that were aimed at Voyager and the early seasons of Enterprise. We've gone from shows that had too much technobabble and were too slavishly loyal to Roddenberry's vision, to shows that have too much blowing shit up and piss all over what Star Trek is supposed to stand for.

I've never been to California so I'm going to need one of you who has to answer this question: Is LA orange all the time like in Picard? I thought the orange filter didn't take effect until you crossed over to Mexico.
From what I understand, everything in this show that isn't an identifiable location in LA is filmed in Canada. It's actually a pretty common technique for shows filmed in Canada but set in warmer climes to tint the footage orange, to make it look warmer than the overcast conditions you usually get up there.
 
Or they tried to reference the scene when Q quotes Shakespeare to outsmart Picard only for Picard to school him on the subject and touch a nerve.
I can't imagine them not fucking this up horribly. About the only unqualified positive would be getting to see de Lancie reprise the role, but that's completely outweighed by the sheer fuckery of these show runners probably ruining the character forever.
Well, I'll give this week's episode of Picard one thing, namely that it managed to capture the feeling of TNG. Unfortunately, it was the early seasons of TNG, where Roddenberry was laying on the socialist propaganda and jabs at contemporary society, before Berman took control and decided "Hey, just maybe the show would be a bit more popular if we didn't relentlessly lecture and insult viewers at every opportunity."
Even minus the politisperging, season 1 was just not very good. It was like they really hadn't figured out what to do with these characters yet.
 
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Yeah, but they were all played by actors, not real life political candidates, right?
Holy shit before seeing this comment I thought "holy shit she looks like the ugly stacey Abrams" and it is.


Anyone who continues to say hollywood has no liberal bias deserves to be punch in the face. Unless your going to tell me Ted Cruz is making a camero on a tv show?
 
I think that was more preachy than usual even for Trek. At least make it a bit farther in the future. Anyone who has ever been to the shithole of California knows that ICE isn't doing squat for illegal criminals, let alone knocking down doors of clinics. And of course the footage of a wildfire and a homeless camp(which to be fair both are pretty realistic for LA).
 
Well, I'll give this week's episode of Picard one thing, namely that it managed to capture the feeling of TNG. Unfortunately, it was the early seasons of TNG, where Roddenberry was laying on the socialist propaganda and jabs at contemporary society, before Berman took control and decided "Hey, just maybe the show would be a bit more popular if we didn't relentlessly lecture and insult viewers at every opportunity."
That season –and those parts specifically– were cringe, but the characters still were portrayed as rational people who had "evolved" from our savage ways and tried to see the best of others and themselves. Sure, socialism works for them because they can conjure food out of thin air, kinda.

Current Trek characters have all those savage ways back as a main trait. Like, remember when Tasha Yar hated everybody because her childhood was bad? Yeah, me neither, because that wasn't a thing at all.
 
Man, I really want to like nutrek because I am so autistically fond of the Star Trek universe but I keep rewatching my shitty nostalgia shows because I just cannot put up with all the lense-flare, fastpaced, fake woke action. :(

At this point even the fanfics seem more entertaining than the actual dead cow Paramount is trying to milk here.
 
Even minus the politisperging, season 1 was just not very good. It was like they really hadn't figured out what to do with these characters yet.
Well...they really hadn't. Even RLM has pointed out that a lot of Season 1 was kind of an experiment, where they tried out new concepts before settling on what worked, and those would wind up being common features/tropes of all future Trek series.

Plus Season 1 still did have a few gems, like "Hearts of Glory" and "We'll Always Have Paris."
 
Current Trek characters have all those savage ways back as a main trait. Like, remember when Tasha Yar hated everybody because her childhood was bad? Yeah, me neither, because that wasn't a thing at all.
Tbf, Yar getting actual backstory or characterization wasn't a thing, full stop. All that we ever really found out about her was that she came from a really shitty world and that she was implicitly a former addict - and even the latter was the completely accidental result of the showrunner deciding to use her as the mouthpiece for an anti-drug speech.

Torres OTOH did seem to have a major chip on her shoulder about her crappy childhood, but at least that ended up being one of the rare occasions a Voyager character underwent legitimate development, by having her gradually get past it and grow the hell up.
 
I just watched Undiscovered Country. Man its so good to watch decent trek. It has that Sherlock like investigation, the fun climax battle with Kang who is quoting Shakespeare and chewing scenery and finally it still manages to have deeper thematics about trust, and change.

God, I miss decent trek. When the fuck is the Orville back? That's at least the closet we will get.
 
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