Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Y'know, there's that meme about how no one in this generation can create, only destroy, and it seems to strike true with the writers of Twitter Trek.

Discovery Season 1: The destruction of Earth and the Federation by the Klingons.
Discovery Season 2: The destruction of all biological life in the universe.
Discovery Season 3: The destruction of all civilizations by a raging psychic autist.
Discovery Season 4: The destruction of Earth, Vulcan, and probably the rest of the Milky Way.
Picard Season 1: The destruction of all biological life in the universe.

So while I may be agreeing with Rich and Mike in that season 2 hasn't been absolute shit, I have a feeling that the new line is going to be "The destruction of the rest of the universe at the hands of the Trump supporters human Confederation. Also the death of Q and probably other beloved characters.

Waiting for them to say how horribly Barclay died, considering Dwight Schultz is likely persona non grata among the nuTrek writers. See the Icheb treatment.

So with that, I don't know if I can hold out hope. The theme of destruction is all they have ever done, so I don't believe that they will be able to help themselves with Strange New Worlds. They promise optimism and exploration, but... nah.
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So we're going to finally see how he ended up in that chair?
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Actually, I believe they were going to do that. It was a vision he had in a Klingon time crystal. Gah, that just sounds terrible.
 
At this point I am waiting to see Kurtzman try to unintentionally out grimdark's Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence.
 
Uranus Pink said:
At this point I am waiting to see Kurtzman try to unintentionally out grimdark's Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence.
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Hey at the end of the Xelee sequence, the Xelee let humans and other baryonic life forms through a portal into a new universe.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Fuck Ron Moore for character assassinating Gowron in DS9.
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Ehhh... Sorry, but no. Gowron was always the shitty lesser of 2 evils in running the Klingon Empire, even from his very first episode.
(Remember, he refused to give Worf and his family's honor back, even though he owed Picard a favor, and he knew full well that Worf's family never should have had their honor taken from them in the first place.) He was never really a great leader, and I honestly think DS9 gave both Gowron and Worf what they both deserved.
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I ve often joked that they need to bring back wes for picard. Namely Wes come back damaged from the travelers abuse.
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So basically just Wil Wheaton playing himself? I don't want to see that. Who would?
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Ehhh... Sorry, but no. Gowron was always the shitty lesser of 2 evils in running the Klingon Empire, even from his very first episode.
(Remember, he refused to give Worf and his family's honor back, even though he owed Picard a favor, and he knew full well that Worf's family never should have had their honor taken from them in the first place.) He was never really a great leader, and I honestly think DS9 gave both Gowron and Worf what they both deserved.

So basically just Wil Wheaton playing himself? I don't want to see that. Who would?
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Like I said, only if he is repeatedly actually punched in the balls for an hour for every episode of many many seasons. That is what it would take to see that cunt be involved in Star Trek again.
 
Titan Lithos said:
Y'know, there's that meme about how no one in this generation can create, only destroy, and it seems to strike true with the writers of Twitter Trek.

Discovery Season 1: The destruction of Earth and the Federation by the Klingons.
Discovery Season 2: The destruction of all biological life in the universe.
Discovery Season 3: The destruction of all civilizations by a raging psychic autist.
Discovery Season 4: The destruction of Earth, Vulcan, and probably the rest of the Milky Way.
Picard Season 1: The destruction of all biological life in the universe.
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The JJ movies are also about destruction, didn't they blow up Vulcan? They've basically destroyed the three most important races of trek: Klingons, Vulcans, and Romulans. The final TOS movie dealt with the destruction of a Klingon moon because it set up an important plot: the end of the Klingon-Human conflict and the birth of an alliance, hence, a new world was about to begin. From the destruction, a new future would come by. See below:

Titan Lithos said:
So with that, I don't know if I can hold out hope. The theme of destruction is all they have ever done, so I don't believe that they will be able to help themselves with Strange New Worlds. They promise optimism and exploration, but... nah.
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It's because they're mediocre writers, all of them. Anybody can make a character go through hell to create a conflict and develop them, but that doesn't mean it's a good story. Your character ain't better the most it suffers, but current writers, and not only Star Trek writers, seem to think that conflict is the same as torturing the character. Blame Game of Thrones for this, because I think that GoT is what made it a norm.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
It's because they're mediocre writers, all of them. Anybody can make a character go through hell to create a conflict and develop them, but that doesn't mean it's a good story. Your character ain't better the most it suffers, but current writers, and not only Star Trek writers, seem to think that conflict is the same as torturing the character. Blame Game of Thrones for this, because I think that GoT is what made it a norm.
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I genuinely wonder if modern trek writers (maybe modern writers in general) can still write a story where the Enterprise shows up to a planet, there's a mystery/moral dilemma going on, and in 45 minutes the characters solve the mystery/resolve the dilemma, bonus points for meaningful character interactions in between. Are these writers aware there's other sources of conflict besides suffering/emotional trauma? Do they understand that crying is not the pinnacle of drama? And can they do this in less than 15 hours worth of story? Of course not, like you said they're mediocre at best and just trying to copy "prestige" TV like GoT.
 
Titan Lithos said:
Waiting for them to say how horribly Barclay died, considering Dwight Schultz is likely persona non grata among the nuTrek writers. See the Icheb treatment.
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The Icheb treatment wasn't over simple political differences, it was because his original actor accused Anthony Rapp, who stars in Discovery, of being a drama queen when he #MeToo'd Kevin Spacey. I haven't seen Schulz making many comments at all about NuTrek or its cast.
 
Privilege Power Hour said:
I genuinely wonder if modern trek writers (maybe modern writers in general) can still write a story where the Enterprise shows up to a planet, there's a mystery/moral dilemma going on, and in 45 minutes the characters solve the mystery/resolve the dilemma, bonus points for meaningful character interactions in between. Are these writers aware there's other sources of conflict besides suffering/emotional trauma? Do they understand that crying is not the pinnacle of drama? And can they do this in less than 15 hours worth of story? Of course not, like you said they're mediocre at best and just trying to copy "prestige" TV like GoT.
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I've said it before, but I sincerely doubt any modern Trek writer would be capable of writing an episode like ToS' "The Conscience of the King". They would be like those apes in the beginning of "2001" when faced with the Shakespearean threads woven through every aspect of it.

If they tried their first thought would be "Oh, Shakespeare? Well, we can only do Othello because it has a black guy in it. Now someone go get the Cliff Notes on Othello and summarize it in one paragraph."
 
Starscreams Cape said:
If they tried their first thought would be "Oh, Shakespeare? Well, we can only do Othello because it has a black guy in it. Now someone go get the Cliff Notes on Othello and summarize it in one paragraph."
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You're right on the money with this. In the second episode of Picard, Q makes sure to point out that "washing the blood from ones hands" is a reference to Macbeth because the writers thought they were being smart with that incredible deep cut and/or the audience would be too stupid to know it.
I would bet $100 the writing team just googled "famous shakespear quotes" at some point to throw a few in the scripts.
 
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Privilege Power Hour said:
I genuinely wonder if modern trek writers (maybe modern writers in general) can still write a story where the Enterprise shows up to a planet, there's a mystery/moral dilemma going on, and in 45 minutes the characters solve the mystery/resolve the dilemma, bonus points for meaningful character interactions in between. Are these writers aware there's other sources of conflict besides suffering/emotional trauma? Do they understand that crying is not the pinnacle of drama? And can they do this in less than 15 hours worth of story? Of course not, like you said they're mediocre at best and just trying to copy "prestige" TV like GoT.
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because that's not "deep" and "compelling". you have to remember most of them are brainlets, so they write brainlet entertainment for other brainlets. moral or philosophical dilemmas usually fly right over their head or are "boring".

or to put it differently: imagine people that never were interested in star trek at all for being star trek are now suddenly writing for star trek because "nerd is cool" and the franchise back then was associated with being smart, intelligent and highbrow, and that is what they want to be and appear as. same as being a writer for star wars is suddenly "the best thing ever" when for the longest part that was just considered nerd shit by most people, it's a different form of riding someone's/something else' coat tails.
 
Old Trek also had enough techno-babble to make the whole deal believable. They had a tech crew to help create the illusion that the "science" they used was real for their time and how all things work because there is a consistency within their (npi) universe. TNG had some good episodes about ethics and moral, but they also have others with a mystery that was based on how the ship worked (or didn't work). It wasn't too complicated for the audience to understand, but it was there. To understand "The Measure of a Man", you have to understand why was Data unique and to understand that, you need to understand why positronic brains are. Same for the episode when Barclay sees people in the transporter or when Moriarty wanted to escape the Holodeck.

None of these nuTrek episodes seem to be very challenging in this matter, tbh. There is one video Computing Forever did mocking them for asking what some anomaly was. "It's an anomaly! It's anomalous! You don't know it!"

Great President of McHell said:
You're right on the money with this. In the second episode of Picard, Q makes sure to point out that "washing the blood from ones hands" is a reference to Macbeth because the writers thought they were being smart with that incredible deep cut and/or the audience would be too stupid to know it.
I would bet $100 the writing team just googled "famous shakespear quotes" at some point to throw a few in the scripts.
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Or they tried to reference the scene when Q quotes Shakespeare to outsmart Picard only for Picard to school him on the subject and touch a nerve.

 
UnKillShredDur said:
Ehhh... Sorry, but no. Gowron was always the shitty lesser of 2 evils in running the Klingon Empire, even from his very first episode.
(Remember, he refused to give Worf and his family's honor back, even though he owed Picard a favor, and he knew full well that Worf's family never should have had their honor taken from them in the first place.) He was never really a great leader, and I honestly think DS9 gave both Gowron and Worf what they both deserved.
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Gowron's actor was way more fun than the character was, which tends to color some people's perception of him. Its a shame Star Trek Klingon is a silly holodeck simulation because he really does have fun with the role and give it his all, even moreso than the normally restrained depiction of Gowron seen in the show.

UnKillShredDur said:
So basically just Wil Wheaton playing himself? I don't want to see that. Who would?
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khaine said:
Like I said, only if he is repeatedly actually punched in the balls for an hour for every episode of many many seasons. That is what it would take to see that cunt be involved in Star Trek again.
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I think you guys are being profoundly shortsighted. I would kill for the opportunity to chain Wil Wheaton to the sinking ship that is nuTrek and watch him drown. I think the fact that even a dipshit like him has somehow managed to avoid being sucked into that shitfest goes to show just how fucked it is.
 
L50LasPak said:
I think you guys are being profoundly shortsighted. I would kill for the opportunity to chain Wil Wheaton to the sinking ship that is nuTrek and watch him drown. I think the fact that even a dipshit like him has somehow managed to avoid being sucked into that shitfest goes to show just how fucked it is.
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He's already chained to the ship because one of the few things he's doing nowadays is the aftershow thing for Picard and maybe other nutrek series but I can't remember. More trying to copy prestige TV ever since Walking Dead had its aftershow.
 
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