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So General Picard killed Dukat, Martok, and Saarek. General Sisko is fighting the Vulcans and probably not the Emissary. Just because you mention things from DS9 doesn't mean us cool as fuck DS9 fans will watch your shitshow. And why Martok? Picard would totally behead Gowron.

If Q isn't feeling well, why isn't he being taken care of by his son and/or wife? Did the writers forget those characters existed?
 
So General Picard killed Dukat, Martok, and Saarek. General Sisko is fighting the Vulcans and probably not the Emissary. Just because you mention things from DS9 doesn't mean us cool as fuck DS9 fans will watch your shitshow. And why Martok? Picard would totally behead Gowron.

If Q isn't feeling well, why isn't he being taken care of by his son and/or wife? Did the writers forget those characters existed?
Dukat is a weird choice for a trophy as well, why not Gul Madred? He was the cardie who tortured the shit out of him in chain of command. I wouldn't be suprised if Picard didn't even know who Dukat was seeing as he was too busy banging space grandmas during the dominion war to help out.
 
So General Picard killed Dukat, Martok, and Saarek. General Sisko is fighting the Vulcans and probably not the Emissary. Just because you mention things from DS9 doesn't mean us cool as fuck DS9 fans will watch your shitshow. And why Martok? Picard would totally behead Gowron.

If Q isn't feeling well, why isn't he being taken care of by his son and/or wife? Did the writers forget those characters existed?
Gowron wouldn't even have become chancellor in the first place without Picard's and Worf's actions, so if anything, it should be Duras whose head was on display.

As for Q's family, well, they appeared in a pair of Voyager episodes that have pretty crappy reputations, so I can't entirely blame the writers for not wanting to remind people of them. Though I was kinda surprised that they didn't have Seven say something like "Oh yeah, I remember Q. His son once made my clothes vanish."
 
I haven't yet watched this episode (which I must say, I have no plans to actually watch), but I saw the RLM video and now I am terrified of the possibility that, indeed, they make Maman Picard the Queen Borg. Why? Because fuck you, fans, that's why!

As for Q's family, well, they appeared in a pair of Voyager episodes that have pretty crappy reputations, so I can't entirely blame the writers for not wanting to remind people of them. Though I was kinda surprised that they didn't have Seven say something like "Oh yeah, I remember Q. His son once made my clothes vanish."
Paraphrasing RLM, "pffff, you think these people watched Voyager?" The only know Jeri Ryan because she was hawt and borg.
 
I have enjoyed watching the first two episodes. Despite the eye rolls and dumb.


I think this season is going to end up being wild retardation in a hilarious manner.

According to Mr Wikipedia. The season's story was figured out in late 2019 and settled in January 2020. It was meant to film mid 2020. Then the pandemic happened and writing continued and shooting was delayed. It was meant to start filming Jan 2021, but was delayed to mid Feb. With revisions done to the stories and scripts.

It's beyond any doubt the event they must stop in 2024 is Trump declaring himself Emperor and not leaving office. Which doomed the history of the galaxy.

Trump then didn't win.

So they COULD adjust to that. Also, time to throw in insurrection and pandemic stuff. It's now him running for a second term.

They clearly aren't being subtle. I swear I even heard someone chanting "Trump" at Picard's MAGA rally.

The thing is, will it actually be Trump when they go to the past? How bonkers would that be!

I would assume they'll have a Trump stand-in, that's a ridiculous caricature. Which will be retarded.

How hard will they go? Will they mention Republicans and Democrats?

If they stay a bit more subtle on this. Don't directly have it mention who or sides.

That'll be retarded. What if they kept the President's third term? That'll seem like it's digging at Biden.

If it's the Trump stand-in, then that's retarded because it's not our reality.

The entire story may be undone by Trump losing in 2020.

Then all this retarded anti-Trump propaganda. Future of humanity airing while we're under a propaganda war to start World War III. Where the American Empire has fully revealed how the corporate world, big tech, MSM, the banking system and many other things are weaponised powers it will use at it's discretion on anyone.


It's all so deliciously ridiculous and the writers and show will all seem so retarded given this context.
The writers seem quite shrewd. If Trump destroys the galaxy, the show will cross the line from "so retarded I don't care" to "so retarded that I'm actually interested".
 
The only know Jeri Ryan because she was hawt and borg.
Her Lara Croft exit was something else.🤮

It makes sense, given the silver suit she wore on VOY (which caused serious problems for the actress) and Berman's history with women on the show. NuTrek makes a lot of noise about diversity and people feeling 'seen'. Seven is all action now.
Picard was too busy banging space grandmas
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Gowron wouldn't even have become chancellor in the first place without Picard's and Worf's actions, so if anything, it should be Duras whose head was on display.
In a better world, EvilPicard would have killed the Duras sisters and have a mold of their chest added to his collection.
 
And that is why Voyager's execution didn't work, at least not from a characterization standpoint. They did have plenty enough to remain a TNG-lite show and that is contrary to a quadrant where they should be scarcity. The replicator is very useful, but even in this show, it couldn't just make all the complex alloys and materials they needed for all that fancy Borg technology nor could it just make bacon and coffee all the time. The most difficult aspect of Star Trek writing assignments going back to TOS was how to make sure technology didn't resolve the problem in ten minutes, hence the Prime Directive. Voyager didn't have consistent reasons to follow OR break the rules.

If one wanted to show that Voyager's crew was fundamentally different from the Equinox crew, Voyager should have been noble poor in comparison to Equinox's savage poor. "Yes, things don't quite work as well as it did years ago. Yes, Tom Paris is overworked and we can't do much about it, but we make the best of it." Which BSG does really well.

What we see instead is TNG-lite captain scolding Ransom for being a poor desperate savage jacking it to Seven of Nine.
except none of that makes sense, and why the common BSG comparison is dumb. in BSG they are literally hunted, there's simply no time to make stops and detours at your leisure. while voyager wanted to go home they were never under any real permanent threat (not to mention starfleet's exploration background and/or looking for a quicker way home). BSG space from what I remember was also pretty empty too, there's a big difference just trading something somewhere for the stuff you need than grow your own food or mine your own minerals.

for the same reason people constantly seem to miss that voyager is on the move, which means even if fully stocked up and repaired to 100% they're just one space anomaly away from getting fucked up again - and then what, fly back or keep limping on? either way shit will be fixed and restocked again at some point.
"run down" and other stuff is hollywood shit, for every "why isn't there a hole in the panel" you can equally ask "why is there a hole in the panel? why hasn't that been fixed in the weeks between episodes?!". short of having the power cut out so the actors can narrate "omg we're out of juice again" there isn't really much you can do to show it, least of all that would make sense if you assume a military vessel, which voyager still is, having absolute unreliable operations (never mind it's literally what keeps the crew alive in foreign space, you can bet they want it work as good as possible, and made pretty because superiors don't like watching people do nothing, if it's not simple pride or mindset). it only starts too look like crap if you miss the manpower or material, both which isn't an issue for most stuff.

scarcity was also a theme for a while, just not in your face about it. for several episodes they barter and trade replicator rations buried in dialog because they haven't found a way to get new dilithium, so they had to reduce power consumption. they also can't just replace the reactor with what's common in the delta quadrant, that doesn't even work in the alpha quadrant (not to mention has the facilities for it) where romulans for example have their own incompatible stuff. can't remember how they fixed it but I think at some point they found a new deposit which is apparently rare enough. it's one of the reasons what made the equinox crew do what they it when they ran out of gas and found a suitable replacement (at great cost).

and besides that, no one ever wondered why they have a fucking cook on a spaceship that has the ability to turn energy into matter?

Yeah when Voyager did horror or drama, it did so in a unique way none of the others could pull off. (Aside from maybe Ds9, but even that still had its own feel) Im particularity fond of the episode where the doctor temporarily goes insane when he remembers he let one of the crew die to save Harry

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3rMNobbhdwk
that clip reminded me what annoyed me so much about it (and a few other plots, VOY is not alone in that):
first of all there are never complete equal factors, there's a reason the programming made the decision it did - chance of survival is just one of them. on top of having several people in your crew who literally run on logic and can thus explain it (fuck it, even deanna troi could easily explain that one), it's fucking code they can review and pinpoint exactly how and why.

I get what they were trying to do (software having "guilt") and it works fine enough to a degree, but if you think too much about it the premise doesn't make that much sense.

To be fair to the writers, Voyager doesn't actually replace any of their shuttles that get destroyed... they just inexplicably have new ones because the writers didn't keep track. I'll let you be the judge of whether that's an improvement or not.
wasn't it established in TNG that shuttles are easy to replicate and rebuilt like an ikea bookshelf? although my fuzzy memory might overlap with headcanon. always took it as one of the reasons why paris built the delta flyer in the first place, since stuff that works just fine in alpha doesn't cut it in the delta quadrant.

This is kind of splitting hairs, but Voyager is also supposed to be chiefly a science vessel, just a much bigger one that's fully equipped while the Equinox is more of a weedy little survey ship. Its commonly accepted to be why Voyager gets its ass beat in a lot of battles and needs to technobabble a way around an enemy, since combat isn't really the ship's primary mission, and also why it can technobabble much harder than even TNG could.
pretty sure right in the beginning of the first episode they exposition dump voyager's stats and mission details, among them long term deep space exploration (wew, foreshadowing) and being literally the fastest and top of the line with new tech like gel packs and shit.
equinox is just some dingy ship, but more importantly has a completely different crew. voyager's is selected for that kind of mission (and filled up with marquis with have their own independent operation background), while the equinox has just some nerds scanning nebula emissions for a week tops.
 
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wasn't it established in TNG that shuttles are easy to replicate and rebuilt like an ikea bookshelf? although my fuzzy memory might overlap with headcanon. always took it as one of the reasons why paris built the delta flyer in the first place, since stuff that works just fine in alpha doesn't cut it in the delta quadrant.

I think that was in the TNG or DS9 technical manuals and therefore not actually canon. I'm not super sold on the idea of shuttles being that easy to rebuild, I think the show should have stuck to those at least being difficult to replace. Otherwise I generally agree that Voyager becoming run down in the long term was best off ignored, but they should have kept a few objects around that were expensive and hard to come by so you can use those as a sort of MacGuffin once in awhile.

Some suggestions on my mind would be shuttles (including alien shuttles, would give the prop people an excuse to make a new mockup every so often), dilithium crystals (of course), torpedoes (perhaps special warheads and designs purchased from aliens, could have given the writers an excuse to invent a cool new torpedo design that makes a new sound and glows purple or something), transwarp coils (I'm a little disappointed they did that plot only once, I can think of a few different unique spins to put on it), and Borg nanoprobes (Seven being able to just make them whenever always felt a little contrived to me).

In general I like the idea of more episodes based on just raiding the Borg for advanced supplies. You don't need the Queen to show up, you don't need to introduce a new alien that decimates the Borg, just have Voyager vs 1 Borg ship and they have to raid it in a unique way every time because the Borg would have learned from it last time an adapted already. Would have been a lot more enjoyable than the Borg plots we did get.
 
The Franz Joseph's Enterprise blueprints that were approved by Gene Roddenberry, had the Enterprise had two decks with fabrication machines.
With one deck in the Saucer and one deck in the secondary hull. The fabrication machines, nearby transporter rooms, storage and their surrounding space would serve the function of a machine and wood shop abroad naval ships.

By the stardate TNG started in, Federation ships should have at least one smaller industrial replicator on broad to make replacement parts. So given enough time and raw materials, building new shuttles should be doable.
 
The Franz Joseph's Enterprise blueprints that were approved by Gene Roddenberry, had the Enterprise had two decks with fabrication machines.
Roddenberry unfortunately had a falling out with Joseph and later ruled that the Technical Manual is non-canon. Which I personally think is a shame as its the only technical manual I like enough to own. Still, there is some minor evidence seen on screen for such a device. Operation Annihilate ends with the Enterprise having seemingly launched an entire satellite network (200 or so of them even).

I think its still lazy writing to not even mention this and just have new shuttles already there. Showing or at least refering to the process would have been a good idea.
 
Here's from that kid's show where they show a shuttle replicator in use. Saw it on Major Grin's channel. Don't mind the comparison to a similar scene from Miniority Report.

 
Voyager could have been better if the episodes had been more like TNG S1 "Where No One has Gone Before," the one with magical pedo alien who took them to the edge of the galaxy.
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I remember that episode. I actually liked the wondrous tone and theme of it. But the whole man-boy love thing was not my jam sorry.
 
So, how did they ruin Q?
He's "sick" now and hits Picard hard enough to make his nose bleed. Maybe Q's pissed The Sisko is chillin' with the Prophets and he can't go there and punch him for revenge. There's zero mention of Q's wife and son. Seven never mentions anything about interacting with Q and his family probably because they're going to make Q gay since he's a White man. Can't have straight White men in Star Trek.
This season is going to be a bigger shit show than the first season. Just wait until they go back to 2024 LA to save Guinan from being killed by White cops.
 
I remember that episode. I actually liked the wondrous tone and theme of it. But the whole man-boy love thing was not my jam sorry.
Even without that, the part of Wes being a genius is cringy. The man-boy love thing was Gene all along.

So, how did they ruin Q?
He's non binary now and he's changed his name to X.
 
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